World's wealthy worth $37.2 trillion and give <1% to charity

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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    know1 wrote:
    Right, and that's exactly why we should leave this up to private initiative.

    I don't think they should be forced to give their money away. I just think they're greedy and selfish scum. I know some you will criticise me for my opinion, so be it.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Collin wrote:
    I don't think they should be forced to give their money away. I just think they're greedy and selfish scum. I know some you will criticise me for my opinion, so be it.

    i actually did something similar for years. every saturday night my cousin and i would find a few deserving people and buy them dinner. they ranged from hookers to the homeless. but in the mid 80's the people changed. they now tried to steal from us. they acted like we owed them everything we gave plus more. then i had my aneurysm and i got help from NOBODY.
    so yes; now i'm a selfish greedy bastard until a person proves themself to me. if you're my friend; anything i have is yours. but until you prove loyalty; if you only have a nickel i'll find a way to take it from you.
  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    Does anyone remember Charles Feeney? Feeney gave away 99.9% of his wealth anonymously.

    http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_48/b3860610.htm

    The Secret Givers
    These big-time contributors try to share their wealth while shunning the spotlight

    The country's most secretive philanthropist avoided the world of private Gulfstreams and bespoke tailors, of society columns and personal attendants, in favor of flying coach and buying his clothes off the rack. It wasn't that the publicity-shy mogul wanted to hoard his stash for his children -- or that he feared losing it all and having to sell sandwiches out of a basket, the way he did when he was a scholarship kid at Cornell University.

    Rather, his frugality -- the plastic bag that served as a briefcase, the drugstore reading glasses, his $15 plastic watch -- stemmed from an urgent desire to take the fortune that he sacrificed years of his life making and give it, nearly every cent, away. For nearly 15 years, this entrepreneur and silent benefactor wasn't even working for himself anymore: He had secretly transferred his share of the company that he co-founded and ran to his offshore foundation. It would become one of the biggest and most unusual philanthropic feats in history. But it came with one ironclad caveat: that no one should ever know his name.

    To keep his identity secret, he went to obsessive lengths, incorporating his charitable foundation in Bermuda and attaching highly lawyered confidentiality agreements and cabal-like vows of secrecy to his foundation's grants. After the cashier's checks cleared, there were no black-tie galas, no self-effacing speeches.

    It seemed like something out of Charles Dickens. Yet for more than a decade, New Jersey-born airport-gift-shop magnate Charles F. Feeney pulled it off, even concealing the fact of his giving from his longtime business partner. It was only when his Duty Free Shoppers was sold, in 1997, that the full extent of his largesse became clear. The shares that he had transferred 13 years earlier fetched $1.6 billion when the company was sold. Because Feeney, now 72, donated his stake in the company nearly 20 years ago, he doesn't qualify for inclusion in our ranking, although a gift of $1.6 billion today would land him at No. 4 on this year's list of the most generous philanthropists.

    Chuck Feeney may be an extreme case, but he's far from alone in wanting to shield himself from the public's view. Operating alongside philanthropic superstars such as William H. Gates III and George Soros is a seldom-glimpsed group of contributors -- people who prefer to remain in the shadows rather than having their names carved in stone.

    To give without a speck of recognition in a culture that worships self-celebration is seen as refreshingly, almost Biblically, altruistic. Indeed, anonymous gifts are one of the most ancient and esteemed philanthropic practices the world over. Christians, Jews, and Muslims have long considered blind donations the highest form of giving. That's because the donor gets no self-enriching ego dividend, no chance at reaping political or social favor -- and the receiver no sense of shame-ridden indebtedness. "Anonymity dissolves the power imbalances in these relationships," says Georgetown University philanthropy professor James Allen Smith. Organizations, meanwhile, don't carry the burden of having to put on thank-you galas or commissioning a bust of the donor.

    This year, BusinessWeek sussed out a handful of these secret Medicis. They include such people as Tulsa oil-and-banking baron George Kaiser. At No. 22 on our list, this son of World War II refugees gave $287 million to early antipoverty programs but refuses all public accolades, including inductions into the Oklahoma and Tulsa Halls of Fame. There's also Maurice "Chico" Sabbah at No. 48, who pledged $100 million of the fortune he made in reinsurance to fund the country's first-ever non-Orthodox Jewish boarding school, the American Hebrew Academy in Greensboro, N.C. He managed to keep his philanthropy hidden until September 11 imperiled his fortune and outed his giving in the process. The terrorist attacks hit his company, Fortress Re, hard. Since then, Sabbah has been named as a defendant in a lawsuit filed in North Carolina by a Japanese insurance company, which alleges that Sabbah and his partner deceptively siphoned off millions from the insurance pool, a claim Sabbah denies.

    The Simple Life
    Many of our stealth givers are united in an utter distaste for publicity and a rejection of life as an acquisition spree. Some lead lives that are a striking foil to the consumption culture that surrounds them. Sabbah lives in a modest ranch house. Kaiser, who made his fortune in energy, banking, and real estate, described himself in a rare interview with Tulsa People Magazine as "anti-materialistic" and "uncomfortable and guilty about receiving recognition." For years, he tooled around town in a company beater. When he finally bought his first new car, in 1999, he splurged on a no-frills, two-door BMW. Feeney wonders aloud about the need for more than one pair of shoes. When he's in New York, he likes to eat the $10.95 chicken pot pie at Annie Moore's tavern. "It has always been hard for me to rationalize a 32,000-square-foot house or someone driving me around in a six-door Cadillac," says Feeney in his soft New Jersey staccato. "The seats are the same in a cab. And you may live longer if you walk."

    Then there are other people for whom the full extent of their giving is still unknown. Fred Eychaner, founder of media company Newsweb Corp., remains an elusive force in Chicago charity circles. But he hasn't been shy about pledging more than $73 million over the years to Chicago-area causes, including AIDS, arts institutions, and Northwestern University's Medill Innocence Project, which helps free wrongly convicted death-row inmates. He is also one of the biggest contributors to the Democratic Party. Or Univision Communications (UVW ) Inc. CEO A. Jerrold Perenchio, one of Los Angeles' most generous invisible patrons and political donors. He has given heavily to the University of California at Los Angeles, although he keeps his name off lists of benefactors and, according to Los Angeles Magazine, insists that his wide-ranging circle of famous and influential friends keep mum when queried by the press.

    If anything, giving in secret is even harder than just giving. Sometimes the sheer size of the gift makes anonymity impossible. After all, it's hard to move millions of dollars around without attracting attention. "That was not an option my son had," says Bill Gates Sr., co-chair of Gates's foundation.

    Anonymity may help donors to blend into their communities and shield them from a barrage of requests and pleas, but it can bring its own set of problems, says Georgetown University's Smith. Secret gifts can undermine the social bonds that rise up between the giver and recipient. Anonymous givers can't become leaders who inspire other people with their charitable behavior, and they deprive foundations of the chance to use the gift as leverage to attract other donors.

    All the problems of anonymous giving eventually came to bear on Chuck Feeney. When he first transferred to his foundation his 39% stake in a small, privately held chain of airport shops in 1984, hardly anyone noticed. After all, the shares were unpriced, and the company unremarkable. It was only when Duty Free Shoppers was sold 13 years later that Feeney drew attention. He should have been America's newest billionaire, but his $1.6 billion stake belonged to Atlantic Philanthropies. After long ago bestowing modest sums on each of his five children, Feeney is now worth just $1.5 million. Meanwhile, thanks to his astute management on behalf of Atlantic, the foundation's assets have ballooned to $3.7 billion, far too much to go undetected.

    Feeney gave a single interview in 1997, then clammed up and disappeared again -- disappeared until recently, that is, when he showed up on our radar thanks to a little-noticed announcement by his foundation. At a time when other charities were resisting pressure from lawmakers to dispense more than the usual 5% of their endowments annually, Atlantic made an astonishing declaration: It planned to spend itself out of business over the next 12 to 15 years, giving away $350 million annually to four causes: disadvantaged children, aging, health, and human rights.

    Feeney knew the announcement would eventually bring on the media. Besides, the requirement to protect his anonymity was causing greater and greater hardship for grantees. After months of interview requests, Feeney was finally ready to talk, confirming to BusinessWeek his gifts and philanthropic endeavors. His remarkable story, as well as those of our other philanthropists, show that whether it's done quietly or as a call to arms, the tradition of giving in America still runs deep.
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    i relate to that. i had a friend that had to have a new bmw every year and a new harley. 3 or 4 different boats; and wanted everyone to know he was rich. he still has to work to pay for his lifestyle. that's what it comes down to; lifestyle. success isn't getting what you want; it's wanting what you have.
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    Collin wrote:
    By standard principles of foundation management, a $3.5 trillion endowment would have a 5% payout of about $175 billion a year, an amount sufficient to extend basic health care to all in the poorest world; end massive pandemics of AIDS, TB and malaria; jump-start an African Green Revolution; end the digital divide; and address the crying need for safe drinking water for 1 billion people. In short, this billionaires' foundation would be enough to end extreme poverty itself. All in all, it's not a bad gig for men and women who have transcended the daily economic struggle faced by the rest of humanity.
    What utter crock. Does the wrieter understand that a lot of peoples money is tied up doing things like employing others? If they were to just pull out that money what would we do wth all the unemployed? My biggest investments, property, sure don't generate a 5% cash return annually. All they do is appreciate in value. It makes me look richer on paper and that's it. The majority of most peoples real, cash wealth is only derived upon selling the asset and not from any sort of annual return. Selling the assets to generate cash flow would see a quick end to this endowment fund.

    There is only one long term and lasting solution, fair trade policies and education. Money hand outs nad subsidies are just band aid solutions meant to stiop the slaughter in the short term.
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    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    surferdude wrote:
    What utter crock. Does the wrieter understand that a lot of peoples money is tied up doing things like employing others? If they were to just pull out that money what would we do wth all the unemployed? My biggest investments, property, sure don't generate a 5% cash return annually. All they do is appreciate in value. It makes me look richer on paper and that's it. The majority of most peoples real, cash wealth is only derived upon selling the asset and not from any sort of annual return. Selling the assets to generate cash flow would see a quick end to this endowment fund.

    There is only one long term and lasting solution, fair trade policies and education. Money hand outs nad subsidies are just band aid solutions meant to stiop the slaughter in the short term.

    dude; i am so impressed i'm speachless. that is spot on.
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    i actually did something similar for years. every saturday night my cousin and i would find a few deserving people and buy them dinner. they ranged from hookers to the homeless.

    That's really cool, man.
    but in the mid 80's the people changed. they now tried to steal from us. they acted like we owed them everything we gave plus more.

    That's twenty years ago, give people another chance.
    then i had my aneurysm and i got help from NOBODY.

    So wouldn't it have been nice if someone had actually helped you? How did you feel when nobody reached out to you? And how would you have felt if someone did?

    When I see a homeless person I always try to buy them something to eat or give them some money. Ever since I started doing this there have only been 2 or 3 people who asked for more after I had given them something, who were not thankful. There will always be people who want more and don't appreciate what you've done for them but in my experience there are so many more who are grateful, who light up when you help them...
    so yes; now i'm a selfish greedy bastard until a person proves themself to me. if you're my friend; anything i have is yours. but until you prove loyalty; if you only have a nickel i'll find a way to take it from you.

    That's very sad, imo.
    THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!


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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    surferdude wrote:
    What utter crock. Does the wrieter understand that a lot of peoples money is tied up doing things like employing others? If they were to just pull out that money what would we do wth all the unemployed? My biggest investments, property, sure don't generate a 5% cash return annually. All they do is appreciate in value. It makes me look richer on paper and that's it. The majority of most peoples real, cash wealth is only derived upon selling the asset and not from any sort of annual return. Selling the assets to generate cash flow would see a quick end to this endowment fund.

    I can't say I know much about financial stuff... so I'm going to believe you on this, but you know when I look at the lifestyles of some of these super rich and then think about all the people living in poverty, starving to death... I get pissed.

    Perhaps they can't banish poverty from the world. But they could make a very significant difference and they don't, only a few do.

    Seriously, who needs a plane, let alone two or nine, one of which has gold plated furniture and solid gold sinks and a crystal sink too and two helicopters? And 5000 extremely expensive cars?
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Collin wrote:
    I can't say I know much about financial stuff... so I'm going to believe you on this, but you know when I look at the lifestyles of some of these super rich and then think about all the people living in poverty, starving to death... I get pissed.

    Perhaps they can't banish poverty from the world. But they could make a very significant difference and they don't, only a few do.

    Seriously, who needs a plane, let alone two or nine, one of which has gold plated furniture and solid gold sinks and a crystal sink too and two helicopters? And 5000 extremely expensive cars?

    Absolutely.

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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Collin wrote:
    That's really cool, man.



    That's twenty years ago, give people another chance.



    So wouldn't it have been nice if someone had actually helped you? How did you feel when nobody reached out to you? And how would you have felt if someone did?

    When I see a homeless person I always try to buy them something to eat or give them some money. Ever since I started doing this there have only been 2 or 3 people who asked for more after I had given them something, who were not thankful. There will always be people who want more and don't appreciate what you've done for them but in my experience there are so many more who are grateful, who light up when you help them...



    That's very sad, imo.

    i know you're right and i really don't like being this way. but let me give you an example. there was a kid (22 yrs old) and i had a 2001 dodge truck. balls to the walls. it was worth $26K but i sold it to this kid for $12K at $200.00/month. no money down. he just started as a hot shot fighting forest fires and makes almost a grand a week when he's in the fires. when he's not he's a fireman in town. so it seemed like a good bet. i haven't seen a penny since march and i'm trying to hunt him down to reposess the truck.
    it just doesn't pay to help people when it bites you in the bum.
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    i know you're right and i really don't like being this way. but let me give you an example. there was a kid (22 yrs old) and i had a 2001 dodge truck. balls to the walls. it was worth $26K but i sold it to this kid for $12K at $200.00/month. no money down. he just started as a hot shot fighting forest fires and makes almost a grand a week when he's in the fires. when he's not he's a fireman in town. so it seemed like a good bet. i haven't seen a penny since march and i'm trying to hunt him down to reposess the truck.
    it just doesn't pay to help people when it bites you in the bum.

    That sucks, man. There must be something wrong with the people there.
    THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!


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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Collin wrote:
    That sucks, man. There must be something wrong with the people there.

    the other part of the deal was he was going to help out on my ranch on the weekends. things like picking up hay and going to the dump. that's why i discounted it because he was going to use it to help me. prior to the sale; i paid him to help me so i believed him when he said he'd work here. he hasn't been here 1 day since the deal on dec 20th 2006.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    CaterinaA wrote:
    Hi there :)


    OK, I must add that they were not created to help countries getting out of debt. IMF was created to be a lender of last resort for countries and the WB, to fund infrastructure. So there's a lot of things to blame them for, but helping countries to get out or debt is not their duty; actually as I said before- countries has to resort to them when they've exhausted all other possibilities, which means that the debt already is large. What the IMF usually does is they lend a country money to help it cope with large debt payments...


    Hello :)

    ok, but you said you thought they did good, i just see it differently. i think they exploit situations

    granted corruption in the country has a lot to do w/ things, i'm not disputing that. but parts of the contract to get their help seems geared towards exploiting the place in exchange for the money....to greedy, corrupt politicians/leaders
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Fuck the banks.

    Fuck civilization, really, if it comes to the predation that the banks have on this world as the end all that is becoming. Assholes!

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    gue_barium wrote:
    Fuck the banks.

    Fuck civilization, really, if it comes to the predation that the banks have on this world as the end all that is becoming. Assholes!

    Q: you're so brilliantly idiotic sometimes.
    A: I'm on the edge of things.

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  • CaterinaA
    CaterinaA Posts: 572
    El_Kabong wrote:
    Hello :)

    ok, but you said you thought they did good, i just see it differently. i think they exploit situations

    granted corruption in the country has a lot to do w/ things, i'm not disputing that. but parts of the contract to get their help seems geared towards exploiting the place in exchange for the money....to greedy, corrupt politicians/leaders

    Actually, I think we partially agree. Maybe my English let me down in my previous post, but what I was trying to say was that not everything the IMF and the WB is bad, especially the WB. I believe there's plenty of wrongdoing by the IMF in Latin America, but at the same time as you guys say "it takes two to tango".

    Sorry if I led to understand other things, English is not my native tongue :)

    Cheers
    Caterian