We See Conspiracies That Don't Exist

gue_barium
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edited May 2007 in A Moving Train
This is one article of a series from the staunchest "Left" in the media today.

http://www.counterpunch.org/thermo11282006.html

I recommend that you read them all.

Myself, I am certain that there was complitcity on 9/11 in some levels in Federal government. I don't think that the Federal Government was involved in the towers falling down. I think we need to look past the nuts and the bolts of this thing and ask why it was able to happen in the first place, and the players involved.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Conspiracies do happen, those who deny it are fools or crooks.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    or it can mean that they're all a bunch of hippies.
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    I think this is important. These writers are pretty much saying that the conspiracy theories are driving a nail in the coffin of Left aspirations. This is good research.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Conspiracies do happen, those who deny it are fools or crooks.


    I agree. I can't wait to see all the people on here that would usually turn their nose up at anything counterpunch ever had to say eat this shit up. :rolleyes:
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    gue_barium wrote:
    I think this is important. These writers are pretty much saying that the conspiracy theories are driving a nail in the coffin of Left aspirations. This is good research.


    Why would anyone be driving a nail in their own coffin by simply having a different opinion on this subject? It's not some crazy idea to think there could be a conspiracy involved. We've posted tons of stuff proving that.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Why would anyone be driving a nail in their own coffin by simply having a different opinion on this subject? It's not some crazy idea to think there could be a conspiracy involved. We've posted tons of stuff proving that.

    The research doesn't discount the questions Please, Abook, you and Kabong read this. It takes the physics at face value without making judgements, and that's important.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    gue_barium wrote:
    The research doesn't discount the questions Please, Abook, you and Kabong read this. It takes the physics at face value without making judgements, and that's important.

    There have also been physics professors who think there was a conspiracy based what they studied at face value. They made the judgement saying there was a conspiracy, the guys you posted made the judgement that there wasn't. Same old song and dance.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    There have also been physics professors who think there was a conspiracy based what they studied at face value. They made the judgement saying there was a conspiracy, the guys you posted made the judgement that there wasn't. Same old song and dance.
    9/11 was a conspiracy. There isn't anything to say it wasn't.

    What the problem is, is in how the arguments are being carried out on the internet. Bush himself doesn't give one yahoo on how it happened, his hands are clean. You can't indict him in this. We need to stop making the leap and crowning the unanswered questions unto the Bush head.
    Let's take what we know and move with it.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    gue_barium wrote:
    9/11 was a conspiracy. There isn't anything to say it wasn't.

    What the problem is, is in how the arguments are being carried out on the internet. Bush himself doesn't give one yahoo on how it happened, his hands are clean. You can't indict him in this. We need to stop making the leap and crowning the unanswered questions unto the Bush head.
    Let's take what we know and move with it.

    I'm not in the least expecting Bush to be held accountable for this and nor do I think he should or will be because it goes much deeper than that nitwit. I have never focused on him. We only post what we do to prove it was indeed a conspiracy and not some amateur arab terrorists who got extremely lucky. It's not about bringing the guys who did this down because that would be pretty much impossible. It's about exposing what some of those in positions of a lot of power are capable of to serve as a warning and a lesson.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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    -Oscar Wilde
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I'm not in the least expecting Bush to be held accountable for this and nor do I think he should or will be because it goes much deeper than that nitwit. I have never focused on him. We only post what we do to prove it was indeed a conspiracy and not some amateur arab terrorists who got extremely lucky. It's not about bringing the guys who did this down because that would be pretty much impossible. It's about exposing what some of those in positions of a lot of power are capable of to serve as a warning and a lesson.

    Um, there are no lessons to be learned in this. We already know. The knowledge of power is as it always has been, bombs or no bombs.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    gue_barium wrote:
    Um, there are no lessons to be learned in this. We already know. The knowledge of power is as it always has been, bombs or no bombs.

    Q: no bombs?
    A; Okay, they have the bombs, excuuuuse me.
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  • sicnevol
    sicnevol Posts: 180
    I don;t think i can take anything edited by alexander Cockburn seriously.
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  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    gue_barium wrote:
    This is one article of a series from the staunchest "Left" in the media today.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/thermo11282006.html

    I recommend that you read them all.

    Great read! Thanks.
    Myself, I am certain that there was complitcity on 9/11 in some levels in Federal government. I don't think that the Federal Government was involved in the towers falling down. I think we need to look past the nuts and the bolts of this thing and ask why it was able to happen in the first place, and the players involved.

    Believe it or not, this is the only part of the 9/11 conspiracy theory that I think holds even a grain of truth: The government was inept or complicit or both.

    I personally think that they simply didn't put all the pieces together in time to stop 9/11 from happening.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    gue_barium wrote:
    This is one article of a series from the staunchest "Left" in the media today.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/thermo11282006.html

    I recommend that you read them all.

    Myself, I am certain that there was complitcity on 9/11 in some levels in Federal government. I don't think that the Federal Government was involved in the towers falling down. I think we need to look past the nuts and the bolts of this thing and ask why it was able to happen in the first place, and the players involved.

    Uhm...for the 9/11 thing and the fire energy....If you look at the video the bulk of the fuel is expended in a huge fireball and the remaining fuel is burned up within minutes. What was left inside did start fires but all the office materials were all fire retardant...this is code. Every piece of furniture in the building was made of fire retardant material designed to burn slowly and at cool temperatures down to the carpet the paint on the walls...everything.

    Did this guy hold up a thermometer in there somewhere or something?

    NIST has approx 7000 pictures and over 300 hours of video tape of the WTC wreckage but they are not releasing it.....why not I wonder? what's the big secret?

    This new link proves nothing...

    All the evidence to make a proper conclusion has either been destroyed or is being held in secrecy... I mean really...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    What was left inside did start fires but all the office materials were all fire retardant...this is code. Every piece of furniture in the building was made of fire retardant material designed to burn slowly and at cool temperatures down to the carpet the paint on the walls...everything.

    Key word "retardant" not "proof". These fire resistant materials will still burn vigorously once the materials reach thier respective flash points.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    69charger wrote:
    Key word "retardant" not "proof". These fire resistant materials will still burn vigorously once the materials reach thier respective flash points.

    Nothing at all on all the photos and videos being held up... that's really normal given the circumstances right?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Nothing at all on all the photos and videos being held up... that's really normal given the circumstances right?

    Have you contacted the NIST to get access to those photos?

    NIST World Trade Center Investigation Team
    100 Bureau Drive, Stop 8610
    Gaithersburg, MD 20899-8610
    Phone: (301) 975-6051
    Fax: (301) 975-6122
    Email: wtc@nist.gov

    Try them first.

    Could it be that they are just not published yet?

    Why don't you go see?
  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Nothing at all on all the photos and videos being held up... that's really normal given the circumstances right?
    Key word "retardant" not "proof". These fire resistant materials will still burn vigorously once the materials reach thier respective flash points.

    Nothing on my statement?
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    69charger wrote:
    Have you contacted the NIST to get access to those photos?

    NIST World Trade Center Investigation Team
    100 Bureau Drive, Stop 8610
    Gaithersburg, MD 20899-8610
    Phone: (301) 975-6051
    Fax: (301) 975-6122
    Email: wtc@nist.gov

    Try them first.

    Could it be that they are just not published yet?

    Why don't you go see?

    published...that's your reasoning?

    Actually yes I signed an online petition, and sent some personal emails. you should do the same.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    69charger wrote:
    Nothing on my statement?

    Back to the is the fire hot enough again? What next the paper did it?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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