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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    gue_barium wrote:
    Those are just two writings. I've just read them and they are not entirely without at least some technical merit.

    what technical merit would that be? he had no grasp of plotting mechanics or character or anything else. clearly showed the intellectual capability of a juvenile at best. unable to form coherent thoughts. unless you mean he knew how to spell, capitalize and punctuate? but his thought process was that of a petulant child. in fact, i think che should read these plays to see how his immature rants about how adults are all big meanies and kids are all fearlessly righteous and should put adults in their place actually sound to the rest the normal world.
  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    meme wrote:
    I'll admit to being squeamish, but the Lego Star Wars and the ones made for general audience are violent enough for me. Whenever someone on the screen goes up in a puff as a consequence of a kid pushing a button, I think there's something wrong.


    Understandable. I can totally see where you're coming from. But you're probably responsible enough to limit what your children take in in the forms of media entertainment. I just dont want people blaming video games when they are no more at fault than music or movies. They all fall into the category of decives that an be restricted by parents who are not too lazy to enter their childrens world.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    soulsinging wrote:
    what technical merit would that be? he had no grasp of plotting mechanics or character or anything else. clearly showed the intellectual capability of a juvenile at best. unable to form coherent thoughts. unless you mean he knew how to spell, capitalize and punctuate? but his thought process was that of a petulant child. in fact, i think che should read these plays to see how his immature rants about how adults are all big meanies and kids are all fearlessly righteous and should put adults in their place actually sound to the rest the normal world.

    Yeah, the content is all wrapped up in a sort of creative psychobubble. But, it isn't psychobabble. There is some coherence that even you understand. I don't know that he was capable of knowing what his instructor would think of what he wrote, however, it was in this creative context he was able to convey exactly what he wanted to convey, and that takes some skill and knowledge.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    soulsinging wrote:
    what technical merit would that be? he had no grasp of plotting mechanics or character or anything else. clearly showed the intellectual capability of a juvenile at best. unable to form coherent thoughts. unless you mean he knew how to spell, capitalize and punctuate? but his thought process was that of a petulant child. in fact, i think che should read these plays to see how his immature rants about how adults are all big meanies and kids are all fearlessly righteous and should put adults in their place actually sound to the rest the normal world.

    i don't see any resemblence to che's posts here, and the plays we're talking about.
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  • Ms. Haiku
    Ms. Haiku Washington DC Posts: 7,390
    Something to think about, just a brain game, an example. Not the end all be all of theories or brain storming.

    This is a community. Within this forum, within this particular thread is a community, people are expressing opinions, and wanting feedback. What has to happen within these pages for it to mirror what you want to happen within your own physical community?
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Ms. Haiku wrote:
    Something to think about, just a brain game, an example. Not the end all be all of theories or brain storming.

    This is a community. Within this forum, within this particular thread is a community, people are expressing opinions, and wanting feedback. What has to happen within these pages for it to mirror what you want to happen within your own physical community?

    If I were 16 again I would say "more pussy, and more pot." :)

    edit: i mean, that's what i would say at the community meeting.
    if i were 16.
    again.
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  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    i am just so pissed at people with easy solutions. These school shootings have been on the media radar since mid 1990's. And the solutions have all been tried. We have done what I discussed in previous posts. We had zero tolerance, We had metal detectors at schools. At we have given kids that have acted out doses of Ritalin. It isnt stopping these tragedies. Although I do think a previous poster was right, media sensationalism and media normalization of violence is wrong, and evil, but it didnt cause kids to massacre others.

    You and I could watch nothing but Freddy Kreuger movies for a week, or watch only Tarantino movies for a week. But the fact remains we wouldnt go and shoot up our schools.

    Its beyond a video game, or tv show, or violent music. This whole cultures sick,it rationalizes violence and murder and death.

    I know I wasnt the only person who felt the tragedy at Virginia wasnt out of the ordinary, it was ordinary, I didnt bat an eye, I knew it would happen.

    As long as its normal to read about 4 more 18 year olds blown to bits in Iraq, as long as its normal to read about kids bringing guns to school and blowing away their friends, as long as thats normal nothing will change.

    It will only change if people actually do something. Blaming death metal or Marilyn manson or Eminem or videogames or violent movies or whatever on these murders is absurd and wrong.

    33 deaths shouldnt be routine, and shouldnt be normal. But thats what it has become. It isnt out of the ordinary to read about it. It happens every month. Last october or November you had a three week string of them, remember the Amish shootings and all that.

    I am a student of history. I know what happened in the last few years of Vietnam, how the hippies who once sang of peace and love and flowers in your hair, had become jaded, angry, bitter, innocence was lost. The hippie enclaves of 1967 were way different than the reality of life for these youngsters in 1972 or so.

    When violence has become normal. When I find it so normal to read of kids being blown to bits in Iraq, then we have a problem.

    Kids these days are shown how to deal with anger and problems and conflict. You dont deal with it through mediation, talking, discussion. No, you use violence.

    Michael moore exhaustively talked about this in Bowling for Columbine. Anyone think its a coincidince the Columbine happened on the day the u.s. dropped the most bombs on Kosovo since WWII? Is that a coincidence.

    We lead by example. I cant think of too many leaders who lead by nonviolence and talking. We lead by violence and bombs. Bush is responsible but so is Clinton and all the other Dems.

    It would be a shame to allow this to become the way of life for college or high school or middle school or elementary school kids. Kids dont deserve to die before their parents. its not the order of things. Parents die before their kids. If I have a kid, I will sit them down and explicitly tell them, "I die before you"

    When did our priorities become like this? Where we argue in the media about silly comments made by Imus or Mel Gibson or Britney's meltdown or Anna Nicole, yet we have no tolerance to discuss our children.

    When I talk about how I lost my innocence, this is what I meant. Kids didnt deserve to die the other day. But as long as the larger violence in society continues, and as long as people fail to connect the obvious dots, these killing will continue, more kids will die needlessly.

    Doesnt it make you happy, that post Columbine, Dems and Republicans were suggesting these kids were killing other kids because of video games and Marilyn Manson. Al Gore, the Clintons and of course the Republicans all ate it up with a spoon.

    Something more than video games and Marilyn Manson is troubling our generation. Its a crying shame, no one has picked up on this.

    I assume, pretty soon they will wheel out the demons of this shooter. They will talk about what music he listened to, the books he read, the movies he watched. Like that could cause someone to gun down 32 people.

    We are always looking for easy solutions. I am sick of it. Our kids are killing each other and we dont give a damn
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    As long as its normal to read about 4 more 18 year olds blown to bits in Iraq, as long as its normal to read about kids bringing guns to school and blowing away their friends, as long as thats normal nothing will change.
    The government's not raising my child so they have next to no influence on my child. My kid doesn't shoot people because of the way he's been raised and I got lucky in getting a fairly good kid to start with.

    I find it laughable that you blame the government for what is clearly a parenting problem. Even if the parenting problem is only not noticing your kid is sick and needs help.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    gue_barium wrote:
    Yeah, the content is all wrapped up in a sort of creative psychobubble. But, it isn't psychobabble. There is some coherence that even you understand. I don't know that he was capable of knowing what his instructor would think of what he wrote, however, it was in this creative context he was able to convey exactly what he wanted to convey, and that takes some skill and knowledge.

    im not seeing it dude. i see no coherence to that nonsense. conspiracies left and right, murder plots that contradict each other, idiot kids "sticking it to the man." it was nonsense. there was no coherent point. just bratty kids talking shit to the mean oppressor adults.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    gue_barium wrote:
    i don't see any resemblence to che's posts here, and the plays we're talking about.

    adults are evil, kids are good. and kids need to RISE UP and teach those evil adults/step-fathers/teachers a lesson. read his first post... again calling for some ridiculous revolution.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ms. Haiku wrote:
    Something to think about, just a brain game, an example. Not the end all be all of theories or brain storming.

    This is a community. Within this forum, within this particular thread is a community, people are expressing opinions, and wanting feedback. What has to happen within these pages for it to mirror what you want to happen within your own physical community?

    nothing has to happen in these pages. im saying that what goes on here has no connection to the reality happening out there. you can't get to know your next door neighbor by "practicing" on here. you need to turn this computer off and go say hi to them, every day.
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    We are always looking for easy solutions. I am sick of it. Our kids are killing each other and we dont give a damn.
    How can you justify this when all you are doing is blaming the government and running off to a commune to live? Take some responsibility for what you see going on around you and reach out to the troubled kids. Man up.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    surferdude wrote:
    The government's not raising my child so they have next to no influence on my child. My kid doesn't shoot people because of the way he's been raised and I got lucky in getting a fairly good kid to start with.

    I find it laughable that you blame the government for what is clearly a parenting problem. Even if the parenting problem is only not noticing your kid is sick and needs help.

    by passing the buck to blame the government and the iraq war he's doing the same thing he's railing against with respect to manson and video games. just a different scapegoat.
  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    patrickredeyes wrote:
    I blame a small part on the video game world. You have had whole generation of kids that play nothing but video games. They kill people in these games and they think doing it for real its also just a game. I remember coming home from school and playing outside or doing something besides sitting in front of a t.v. And killing people on a game for 5 hrs. Of course there are non shooting games. But the shooting games make kids feel cooler. Yes this was a college student but this shit has been happening for yrs. Wake the fuck up parents and tell and show yr kid life is not a video game. You can't go around killing people to solve yr problems. I'm off point cause once again this was college kids. But I just think the video game world plays a small part in this terrible and sad situations. My prayers go out to the ones that were lost and for those who's lives will never be the same. I always thought Columbine was the worst shooting. So sad that this had to happen.

    peace
    NO the blame should be put on the parents that allow there 14-15 year old kids to have a video game that clearly says MA on it.it goes deeper then just video games, its something in the brain that a person is born with. over the years i have played the grand theft auto sersis hours on end
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  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    surferdude wrote:
    How can you justify this when all you are doing is blaming the government and running off to a commune to live? Take some responsibility for what you see going on around you and reach out to the troubled kids. Man up.


    listen jerk...

    there was a saying back in the sixties...try and fix your own head. I cant help other people and be a better activist if the world is getting to me, and I am afraid to read the paper. That doesnt help. So trying to work on myself, find myself, heal myself is what is important to me.

    I dont apologize for working on getting my head straight. I have been an activist for the past 7 years. Been to protests, volunteered at local peace and justice organizations, signed petitions, been active in the struggle, gone to see speakers, listened to political music, seen political movies, read political books, but that isnt working now. The war, the continuous death that seems to be occuring is bothering me. I dont have to apologize for moving to a commune. In fact I reccomend it to everyone else.

    In the past, maybe the right and moral thing to do was to get a job in mainstream society, be some pencil pushing office worker. This isnt the time for that. Now the moral thing to do is to move to a commune and drop out.
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    listen jerk...

    there was a saying back in the sixties...try and fix your own head. I cant help other people and be a better activist if the world is getting to me, and I am afraid to read the paper. That doesnt help. So trying to work on myself, find myself, heal myself is what is important to me.

    I dont apologize for working on getting my head straight. I have been an activist for the past 7 years. Been to protests, volunteered at local peace and justice organizations, signed petitions, been active in the struggle, gone to see speakers, listened to political music, seen political movies, read political books, but that isnt working now. The war, the continuous death that seems to be occuring is bothering me. I dont have to apologize for moving to a commune. In fact I reccomend it to everyone else.

    In the past, maybe the right and moral thing to do was to get a job in mainstream society, be some pencil pushing office worker. This isnt the time for that. Now the moral thing to do is to move to a commune and drop out.
    Well if you're not going to be part of the solution then you're part of the problem so stop complaining about the situation. You say you don't have your head on straight yet cast blame on the government. Ever think casting blame on the government is just one more symptom of not having your head on straight.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    i have taken responsibility, I indicted myself along with everyone else in the first post. I said I blamed myself and others for our ignorance and lack of trying to do something to stop school shootings. I am antiwar and have been against President Bush's war since 2001, but I have blood on my hands just like everyone else. I live in a society, and go about my buisness and go to school, and generally act happy, all the while kids in Afghanistan and Iraq die. I blame myself and everyone else for the mess we are in. The question is, what are we going to do about it.

    The revolution i envision, will require maybe 1 million communes, and maybe 100 people per commune. I am doing my part
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    The revolution i envision, will require maybe 1 million communes, and maybe 100 people per commune. I am doing my part
    Tune in, turn on and drop out didn't work in the 60's. I have no reason to believe it will work now or in the future.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    listen jerk...

    there was a saying back in the sixties...try and fix your own head. I cant help other people and be a better activist if the world is getting to me, and I am afraid to read the paper. That doesnt help. So trying to work on myself, find myself, heal myself is what is important to me.

    I dont apologize for working on getting my head straight. I have been an activist for the past 7 years. Been to protests, volunteered at local peace and justice organizations, signed petitions, been active in the struggle, gone to see speakers, listened to political music, seen political movies, read political books, but that isnt working now. The war, the continuous death that seems to be occuring is bothering me. I dont have to apologize for moving to a commune. In fact I reccomend it to everyone else.

    In the past, maybe the right and moral thing to do was to get a job in mainstream society, be some pencil pushing office worker. This isnt the time for that. Now the moral thing to do is to move to a commune and drop out.

    the things you listed are all passive. you can't get peace by standing around holding signs or listening to speakers. what are peace and justice organizations? you need to get involved... lobby congress, not stand on corners. run for office. pester government officials. work on legislation. there are ways to do these things.

    and you need to get over iraq dude. communes and dropping out did not stop the vietnam war, and they're not going to stop the iraq war. the problem in the 60s is they thought like you... if they could just run away and smoke enough pot, the war would just end and governments would fall. they expected far too much and worked for it far too little. and then when they found out their small vision of utopia was never going to happen, they just sold out and walked right into the boardroom. it's not like that anymore. you get your head on straight, stay grounded, and you can help change things without abandoning your ideals like they did. it can be done. but it takes work. a lot of work. and there's going to be a lot of failure, pain and frustration. but you're going to see a lot more results than you will if you take the coward's way and just run from it all. you're too obsessed with iraq. it's one piece of a big puzzle and wars happen. it's just a fact of existence and it's not going to stop unless you turn your passions towards being in a position where you can make enough waves to stop them.
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    soulsinging wrote:
    the things you listed are all passive. you can't get peace by standing around holding signs or listening to speakers. what are peace and justice organizations? you need to get involved... lobby congress, not stand on corners. run for office. pester government officials. work on legislation. there are ways to do these things.

    and you need to get over iraq dude. communes and dropping out did not stop the vietnam war, and they're not going to stop the iraq war. the problem in the 60s is they thought like you... if they could just run away and smoke enough pot, the war would just end and governments would fall. they expected far too much and worked for it far too little. and then when they found out their small vision of utopia was never going to happen, they just sold out and walked right into the boardroom. it's not like that anymore. you get your head on straight, stay grounded, and you can help change things without abandoning your ideals like they did. it can be done. but it takes work. a lot of work. and there's going to be a lot of failure, pain and frustration. but you're going to see a lot more results than you will if you take the coward's way and just run from it all. you're too obsessed with iraq. it's one piece of a big puzzle and wars happen. it's just a fact of existence and it's not going to stop unless you turn your passions towards being in a position where you can make enough waves to stop them.
    Great post and I mean it. People don't want to work for change. I think that's partially to blame for so many protests ending as riots now a days. There ssems to be video game mentality of "Gee we've been protesting for 15 minutes and things haven't changed so lets get all frustrated and break shit."
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley

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