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  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    If i were an american I'd be more worried about the "regular kids" blowing up their schools every now and then. And comparing a hostage situation/bus bombings with nuclear attack is ridiculous. Would it have an impact in hysterical american public and media, hell yes. Comparable? Fuck no.

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  • Open
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    Purple Hawk wrote:
    God (note the capital G) willing...the reality of life will make you think like an American :) If not, no worries, i'm there for you bro, no matter what.


    Funny how both sides that are pro war say God with a capital G.
  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    way to illustrate your ignorance, and unwillingness to listen to a serious question. i'm guessing you're a uniter, as opposed to a divider, right?

    wtf? where's the serious question? you're calling me ignorant yet you're that one falling for this fear-filled paranoid bullshit? you sleep with a loaded pistol under your pillow for when the boogeyman drops a bomb on your house, right?
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  • jamtemplechains
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    yes, monsters who are after our children....i don't suppose they're doing it because of the massive amount of middle-eastern children who have died due to u.s force and occupation in previous years....
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  • binauralsounds
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    catefrances wrote:
    at least someone's a student of history. :rolleyes:

    you know as heinous as 9/11 was and remains, i doubt al quaeda would have the balls to do this. i makes no sense. and it does not further their cause. though leaking these tapes does further someone's cause.

    That is EXACTLY what they want to hear and see. Evil is deception at it's finest.
  • OutOfBreath
    OutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    God (note the capital G) willing...the reality of life will make you think like an American :) If not, no worries, i'm there for you bro, no matter what.
    Not sure I catch your meaning here at all.

    But if thinking like an american is becoming a paranoid fuck for everything, loading my kids up with guns so we all can feel safe until the kids kill eachother with them, I think I'll pass. This piece is fear-mongering with a piece from a guy whose job is to come up with scenarios. Had I been american, I'd be far more worried about my kids in school being killed in the next school shooting, than rumours that Al Qaeda may be up to something in the US. Seeing the low probability of either happening to me and mine, I'd say not to worry, and hence terrorists lose. The way american media plays it, terrorism wins every day by spreading fear and paranoia.

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  • catefrances
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    binauralsounds wrote:
    That is EXACTLY what they want to hear and see. Evil is deception at it's finest.

    they being?

    and by deception do you mean something like invading a sovereign nation through surreptitious means? does that qualify as evil? or merely a necessary evil? and if so what's the difference?
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  • Purple Hawk
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    OutOfBreath wrote:
    This piece is fear-mongering with a piece from a guy whose job is to come up with scenarios. Had I been american, I'd be far more worried about my kids in school being killed in the next school shooting, than rumours that Al Qaeda may be up to something in the US. n

    If you bothered to watch the show, he mentioned the seriousness of school shootings, and there was a discussion about school shooting scenerios.

    You can say it's fear-mongering all you want, but it happened, and to me, i think it's great that someone is actually publicizing Bresnan...and wants to inform us. if informing people is hatemongering, then damnit, i'm full of hate! if you want to keep your neck in the sand, great, but us hate-mongerors love information. never would have heard of this story if it was up to abc, nbc, cbs, or cnn.
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  • catefrances
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    Purple Hawk wrote:
    If you bothered to watch the show, he mentioned the seriousness of school shootings, and there was a discussion about school shooting scenerios.

    You can say it's fear-mongering all you want, but it happened, and to me, i think it's great that someone is actually publicizing Bresnan...and wants to inform us. if informing people is hatemongering, then damnit, i'm full of hate! if you want to keep your neck in the sand, great, but us hate-mongerors love information. never would have heard of this story if it was up to abc, nbc, cbs, or cnn.


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  • OutOfBreath
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    Purple Hawk wrote:
    If you bothered to watch the show, he mentioned the seriousness of school shootings, and there was a discussion about school shooting scenerios.

    You can say it's fear-mongering all you want, but it happened, and to me, i think it's great that someone is actually publicizing Bresnan...and wants to inform us. if informing people is hatemongering, then damnit, i'm full of hate! if you want to keep your neck in the sand, great, but us hate-mongerors love information. never would have heard of this story if it was up to abc, nbc, cbs, or cnn.
    My point is: That kind of shit already happens in the US. Why should it be any worse if it were islamists doing it? And Breslan is quite different, as that is actually more or less next to the combat-zone in Chechnya.

    All I'm saying is that this guy's paid to worry about far-out scenarios. But when he seems to say that a terrorist act against a school in the US will have nuclear impact, then he is off his rocker. Period. Yes, it would suck, but it wouldn't spell the end of the world either. And why go public with it (as opposed to just doing his job in his office) if not to spread fear? Public information? Just how does that help anyone? "They might come kill your kids!" That is fearmongering, if anything is.

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  • Strangest Tribe
    Strangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    The fear machine will never stop.

    what's next???

    "Terrorists now targeting our Dogs and House Cats"

    oh wait... i believe someone actually theorized that one with the latest pet food recall.
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  • WindNoSail
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    jamtemplechains wrote:
    yes, monsters who are after our children....i don't suppose they're doing it because of the massive amount of middle-eastern children who have died due to u.s force and occupation in previous years....

    Yuck

    The kids dying in Iraq are killed by terrorists. Unless you think the US military is doing market suicide bombings you have no point.
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  • WindNoSail
    WindNoSail Posts: 580
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    My point is: That kind of shit already happens in the US. Why should it be any worse if it were islamists doing it?

    Peace
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    NO, that shit doesn't happen already in US schools Dan.

    Peace? I don't think you know much about it, Dan.
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  • WindNoSail
    WindNoSail Posts: 580
    So to all the pooh poohers:

    Exactly what do you think a terrorists act is supposed to look like?
    Is there such a thing as terrorism and terrorists?
    Are all terrorists justified in their actions?
    Is there any terrorists scenario that you can envision actually occuring?


    Looking forward to your answers.
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  • OutOfBreath
    OutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    WindNoSail wrote:
    NO, that shit doesn't happen already in US schools Dan.

    Peace? I don't think you know much about it, Dan.
    No? I think I hear of at least 1 new school shooting over there a year. And it's not like it's unheard of bad shit happening over there among americans, you seem to have a knack for it, or at least the most publicized.

    My point is either way that this is fear-mongering. Period.

    Peace? I try.

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  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    If you bothered to watch the show, he mentioned the seriousness of school shootings, and there was a discussion about school shooting scenerios.

    You can say it's fear-mongering all you want, but it happened, and to me, i think it's great that someone is actually publicizing Bresnan...and wants to inform us. if informing people is hatemongering, then damnit, i'm full of hate! if you want to keep your neck in the sand, great, but us hate-mongerors love information. never would have heard of this story if it was up to abc, nbc, cbs, or cnn.


    Maybe the batteries in your remote were dead and you just thought you were actually searching different channels for this story. This story was all over the news for days and days on all network new media outlets.

    http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/04/russia.putin/index.html

    MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) -- Russian President Vladimir Putin has called the hostage massacre in Beslan an attack on the entire country and made a surprising admission of weakness in the face of terrorism.

    Speaking to his nation in a televised address Saturday, the Kremlin leader said the Soviet Union's collapse had left the country unable to react to attacks and warned: "Weak people are beaten."

    Putin said the government must develop more effective ways of securing itself and improving its actions against terrorists.
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  • catefrances
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    WindNoSail wrote:
    So to all the pooh poohers:

    Exactly what do you think a terrorists act is supposed to look like?
    Is there such a thing as terrorism and terrorists?
    Are all terrorists justified in their actions?
    Is there any terrorists scenario that you can envision actually occuring?


    Looking forward to your answers.

    why don't you ask the US government what a terrorist attack looks like. they've been involved in enough terrorist action to be able to give you a clear picture.

    NO, terrorists are NOT justified in their actions. but that doesn't mean we just ignore their motivation as insane or whatever. these things don't happen in vacuum. there is always a cause.
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  • Kann
    Kann Posts: 1,146
    WindNoSail wrote:
    So to all the pooh poohers:

    Exactly what do you think a terrorists act is supposed to look like?
    Is there such a thing as terrorism and terrorists?
    Are all terrorists justified in their actions?
    Is there any terrorists scenario that you can envision actually occuring?


    Looking forward to your answers.

    Haha, you're nuts. You think you can merely disregard the problems going on in the world and cast of the terrorists as crazy bastards? Sometimes everything has a cause and you can be sure that terrorism doesn't happen without a reason (that doesn't mean it's justified).
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter...

    An over used and cliche...that is until you really start to think about it and understand it.

    It's actually a condition called "human being on planet earth".

    This is where people minds fail miserably in their understanding of the situation.

    Self justification of intolerance, racism, and hatred out of fear.

    All happily spun into fervor and reinforced by the media.
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