Why are the majority of serial killers from Britain and the U.S. ?

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edited June 2007 in A Moving Train
Things that make you go hmm....

scroll down the list...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_country

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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    i blame computer games... oh and insanity
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    I blame it on our national anthems. I believe they contain subliminal messages ordering us to commit heinous murder.
    So anyway, what time did you say you were popping round to chew the fat, Roland? :confused:
  • Kann
    Kann Posts: 1,146
    I blame the schizophrenia of society.
    (on a side note, colombian serial killers could be the scariest)
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    Kann wrote:
    (on a side note, colombian serial killers could be the scariest)


    are you suggesting that maybe Brazilian ones are semi-friendly... or that Russian ones have a cuddly face and will stab you to death with a pink knive engraved with flowers and that the serial killer will make you a murder cake to eat before he removes your heart and cooks it
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • Thorns2010
    Thorns2010 Posts: 2,201
    I'm going with media coverage and better crime scene skills to link murders together and to catch the criminal.

    Or hell.....maybe it has something to do with the English language, because Canada and Australia also have a lot listed compared to other countires.

    Scratch that, just thought of this while typing that last bit. Its wikipedia, a website in the English Language with most viewers/contributors coming from the US, UK, Canada, and Australia. So of course there will be more listed for those countires.
  • Kann
    Kann Posts: 1,146
    dunkman wrote:
    are you suggesting that maybe Brazilian ones are semi-friendly... or that Russian ones have a cuddly face and will stab you to death with a pink knive engraved with flowers and that the serial killer will make you a murder cake to eat before he removes your heart and cooks it

    I wasn't clear enough I guess. I meant the most efficient. Sorry.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    why are the majority of serial killers from the US and britain?


    high populations creating both opportunity and relative invisibility for predator. they look just like you and me. oh sure we might think they seem a bit odd, perhaps even eccentric, but in reality it is their anonimity and 'regular joe' appearance that makes them so successful. our societies are patriarchal and male authoritative and though all serial killers are not male, the overwhelming majority are, therefore 'men belong everywhere' and thus do not usually attract adverse attention to themselves. they could even be living next door.
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  • Collin
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    why are the majority of serial killers from the US and britain?


    high populations creating both opportunity and relative invisibility for predator. they look just like you and me. oh sure we might think they seem a bit odd, perhaps even eccentric, but in reality it is their anonimity and 'regular joe' appearance that makes them so successful. our societies are patriarchal and male authoritative and though all serial killers are not male, the overwhelming majority are, therefore 'men belong everywhere' and thus do not usually attract adverse attention to themselves. they could even be living next door.

    But then why not Germany, Belgium, France, the Netherlands (should the 'the' be capitalized?) ...
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  • chopitdown
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    possibly b/c that's a list of "convicted" serial killers. Perhaps other countries have the same amount of serial killers but they aren't convicted for whatever reason. India, for example, has over 1 billion people but only 4 serial killers? I find that very hard to believe.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Collin wrote:
    But then why not Germany, Belgium, France, the Netherlands (should the 'the' be capitalized?) ...

    maybe those countries are more user friendly.
    maybe brits and americans are so disenfranchised they simply dont care.
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  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    It is just that the killers from the rest of the countries are smart enough not to get caught. ;)
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    even flow? wrote:
    It is just that the killers from the rest of the countries are smart enough not to get caught. ;)

    the next card i was gonna play was maybe britain and the US have a higher level of delusional people. :)
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  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    I blame the porn industry, in part. Eastern Europe will soon catch up.

    Oh, wait.


    How are the Dutch doing in that list? :D
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Kann wrote:
    I wasn't clear enough I guess. I meant the most efficient. Sorry.

    Efficient? :confused: Last time I checked if you kill someone then he's dead. I wasn't aware of there being any grey area here.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    One of two things make a killer, sometimes both; genetics and environment.

    The main environmental factor in all crime is social inequality.

    And there you have it. Americans have bad genes and/or live in a bad environment (i.e. America).
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    "Doubtless no sort of treatment will ever entirely get rid of homicide. Brains and nervous systems are so made, that inhibitions are unable to protect in all cases. Nations and men readily engage in killing, either from sport or because of a real or fancied wrong. Mob psychology shows how whole communities are turned into ravenous beasts, hunting for their prey. The world war, and all wars, show cases of mob psychology that have led large masses of men to take an active part in killing. The pursuit of those charged with crime shows that all people like the chase when the emotions are thoroughly aroused. Under certain impulses, communities gloat over hangings and commend judges and juries because they have the courage to hang, when, in fact, they were too cowardly not to hang and when their reason did not approve the verdict and judgment. Men who do not kill often wish others might die and are pleased and happy when they do die. We approve of death when it is the right one who dies. Whether all persons are murderers or not may depend upon a definition of murder. But, beyond doubt, all persons are potential murderers, needing only time and circumstances, and a sufficiently overwhelming emotion that will triumph over the weak restraints that education and habit have built up, to control the powerful surging instincts and feelings that Nature has laid at the foundation of life."

    Clarence Darrow, Crime Its Cause and Its Treatment; Chapter X - Homicide
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Ahnimus wrote:
    "Doubtless no sort of treatment will ever entirely get rid of homicide. Brains and nervous systems are so made, that inhibitions are unable to protect in all cases. Nations and men readily engage in killing, either from sport or because of a real or fancied wrong. Mob psychology shows how whole communities are turned into ravenous beasts, hunting for their prey. The world war, and all wars, show cases of mob psychology that have led large masses of men to take an active part in killing. The pursuit of those charged with crime shows that all people like the chase when the emotions are thoroughly aroused. Under certain impulses, communities gloat over hangings and commend judges and juries because they have the courage to hang, when, in fact, they were too cowardly not to hang and when their reason did not approve the verdict and judgment. Men who do not kill often wish others might die and are pleased and happy when they do die. We approve of death when it is the right one who dies. Whether all persons are murderers or not may depend upon a definition of murder. But, beyond doubt, all persons are potential murderers, needing only time and circumstances, and a sufficiently overwhelming emotion that will triumph over the weak restraints that education and habit have built up, to control the powerful surging instincts and feelings that Nature has laid at the foundation of life."

    Clarence Darrow, Crime Its Cause and Its Treatment; Chapter X - Homicide

    Interesting stuff. You sure are doing some homework there Anhimus.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    Ahnimus wrote:
    "Doubtless no sort of treatment will ever entirely get rid of homicide. Brains and nervous systems are so made, that inhibitions are unable to protect in all cases. Nations and men readily engage in killing, either from sport or because of a real or fancied wrong. Mob psychology shows how whole communities are turned into ravenous beasts, hunting for their prey. The world war, and all wars, show cases of mob psychology that have led large masses of men to take an active part in killing. The pursuit of those charged with crime shows that all people like the chase when the emotions are thoroughly aroused. Under certain impulses, communities gloat over hangings and commend judges and juries because they have the courage to hang, when, in fact, they were too cowardly not to hang and when their reason did not approve the verdict and judgment. Men who do not kill often wish others might die and are pleased and happy when they do die. We approve of death when it is the right one who dies. Whether all persons are murderers or not may depend upon a definition of murder. But, beyond doubt, all persons are potential murderers, needing only time and circumstances, and a sufficiently overwhelming emotion that will triumph over the weak restraints that education and habit have built up, to control the powerful surging instincts and feelings that Nature has laid at the foundation of life."


    i think you'll find its computer games
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • chopitdown
    chopitdown Posts: 2,222
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Men who do not kill often wish others might die and are pleased and happy when they do die. We approve of death when it is the right one who dies.

    the whole passage was interesting to read, but this part jumped out to me especially with the whole Jerry Falwell thread a few weeks ago.
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  • Kann
    Kann Posts: 1,146
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Efficient? :confused: Last time I checked if you kill someone then he's dead. I wasn't aware of there being any grey area here.

    The colombian remark was merely a joke and a surprise. Because there are only 2 listed for that country but their total is superior to almost all countries. So sorry, I never meant that you could be half dead after being killed.
    "Doubtless no sort of treatment will ever entirely get rid of homicide. Brains and nervous systems are so made, that inhibitions are unable to protect in all cases. Nations and men readily engage in killing, either from sport or because of a real or fancied wrong. Mob psychology shows how whole communities are turned into ravenous beasts, hunting for their prey. The world war, and all wars, show cases of mob psychology that have led large masses of men to take an active part in killing. The pursuit of those charged with crime shows that all people like the chase when the emotions are thoroughly aroused. Under certain impulses, communities gloat over hangings and commend judges and juries because they have the courage to hang, when, in fact, they were too cowardly not to hang and when their reason did not approve the verdict and judgment. Men who do not kill often wish others might die and are pleased and happy when they do die. We approve of death when it is the right one who dies. Whether all persons are murderers or not may depend upon a definition of murder. But, beyond doubt, all persons are potential murderers, needing only time and circumstances, and a sufficiently overwhelming emotion that will triumph over the weak restraints that education and habit have built up, to control the powerful surging instincts and feelings that Nature has laid at the foundation of life."
    =
    "If any man could murder at distance, easily and anonymously, the whole humanity would have but minutes to live" (Kundera)
    But I mostly disagree with that. I still think some people actually take upon them to control their instincts when they can and actually live up to the reputation of humanism our race has.