B. Palin's pregnancy -- Is it fair to discuss? Is it relevant?
Brain of J.Lo
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I'll admit, as much as I want to respect this girl's privacy (to the point that I wish I didn't even know this story), I can't let go of the irony that she is a pregnant teen who was raised in a household that teaches abstinence instead of birth control.
On one hand, no 17 year old girl should be scrutinized in the way she is bound to be in the coming days -- whether the candidates and mainstream media continue with their "off limits" stance, or not. She will be the topic of debates/discussions/gossip until the American Public finds something else to occupy our minds, or some other "baby bump" to watch. :rolleyes: But this is a very personal story, and she is technically a private citizen.
On the other hand, as the Right spins this story as an example of the Palin's putting their pro-life money where their pro-life mouths are, is it not also valid or fair to ask if this is one more example that abstinence-only education might not be such a great idea? To do so is not necessarily an indictment of the teen herself. Instead, it questions the (apparently) faulty methods her parents not only practice, but that her mother wishes to impose on every family in America?
If Sarah Palin wants to control the way our children receive sex education, and wants to alter or take away our reproductive rights so that there are no "choices" to make, how can she ask us not to discuss the choices her own family has made? If these are private matters for her family, why shouldn't they be for mine?
I just don't know how I feel about this becoming a political issue.
On one hand, no 17 year old girl should be scrutinized in the way she is bound to be in the coming days -- whether the candidates and mainstream media continue with their "off limits" stance, or not. She will be the topic of debates/discussions/gossip until the American Public finds something else to occupy our minds, or some other "baby bump" to watch. :rolleyes: But this is a very personal story, and she is technically a private citizen.
On the other hand, as the Right spins this story as an example of the Palin's putting their pro-life money where their pro-life mouths are, is it not also valid or fair to ask if this is one more example that abstinence-only education might not be such a great idea? To do so is not necessarily an indictment of the teen herself. Instead, it questions the (apparently) faulty methods her parents not only practice, but that her mother wishes to impose on every family in America?
If Sarah Palin wants to control the way our children receive sex education, and wants to alter or take away our reproductive rights so that there are no "choices" to make, how can she ask us not to discuss the choices her own family has made? If these are private matters for her family, why shouldn't they be for mine?
I just don't know how I feel about this becoming a political issue.
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I think it reflects on how Mrs. Palin raised her children.. obviously to be horny, irresponsible sluts.
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Brain of J.Lo wrote:If these are private matters for her family, why shouldn't they be for mine?
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LikeAnOcean wrote:I think it reflects on how Mrs. Palin raised her children.. obviously to be horny, irresponsible sluts.
If Obama is smart he'll leave it alone... plenty others will scrutinize it.
Whether right or wrong, the media is going to do it anyway...0 -
One of the main problems today, IMO, is the pundits on tv and radio. They aren't journalists. They have no ethical or moral code, not that some journalist are sweethearts, but they lie, cheat, and manipulate you to get you to believe what benefits their cause. For people that only hear that daily, it's not good.
I will say that it doesn't help that the Republicans have acted like they own morality, family values, and god.
leave the teen be."Music, for me, was fucking heroin." eV (nothing Ed has said is more true for me personally than this quote)
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Obama has already made it very clear how he feels.NakedClown wrote:If Obama is smart he'll leave it alone... plenty others will scrutinize it.
MONROE, Michigan (CNN) – Barack Obama told reporters firmly that families are off-limits in this campaign, reacting to news that Sarah Palin’s 17-year-old daughter is five months pregnant.
“Let me be as clear as possible,” said Obama, “I think people’s families are off-limits and people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin’s performance as governor, or her potential performance as a vice president.”
Obama said reporters should “back off these kinds of stories” and noted that he was born to an 18 year-old mother.
“How a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldn't be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that’s off-limits.”
The Illinois senator became aggravated when asked about rumors on liberal blogs speculating that Palin’s fifth child - Trig - is actually her daughter Bristol’s. A Reuters report Monday quotes a senior McCain aide saying that Obama’s name is in some of posts, “in a way that certainly juxtaposes themselves against their 'campaign of change,’”
“I am offended by that statement,” Obama shot back, not letting the reporter finish his question. “There is no evidence at all that any of this involved us.”
“We don’t go after people’s families,” Obama said. “We don’t get them involved in the politics. It’s not appropriate and it’s not relevant. Our people were not involved in any way in this and they will not be. And if I ever thought that there was somebody in my campaign that was involved in something like that, they’d be fired.”0 -
NakedClown wrote:If Obama is smart he'll leave it alone... plenty others will scrutinize it.
Whether right or wrong, the media is going to do it anyway...
Yeah, it never looks good when candidates mention children of their opponents. It didn't go over well when Kerry made a comment about Mary Cheney's sexual orientation in 2004. It gave Cheyney a chance to take a free shot at Kerry.- Busted down the pretext
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The media will dicuss in the ways that they choose. I know I'll certainly discuss it however the candidates should leave the issue alone cause if they don't that'll foster this issue even more.
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Does it matter... whether Sarah Palin is able to lead this country if her ticket wins the election and events take place where McCain is unable to stay seated? Personally, I don't believe so.
But, I'm not one of those 'Blame the Parents for Bad Parenting' when their children make poor decisions. I'm just wondering what the people who DO hold the parents responsible for their kid's actions (i.e. the Friends over at FOX News, for example) are going to say about this.
My guess, they will contradict themselves and hop on it doesn't matter wagon... bullshit, such as 'Family Values' and 'Moral Compasses' and that crap they ordinarily spew... and look for someone else to blame.
Look out, Juno... they'll probably come gunning for you.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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Exactly. I wonder how many dead kids there are who had parents who tried everything to change their minds about poor decisions they felt they were making. And i'm not just talking about pregnancy at a young age, i'm talking about anything from hard drugs to drink driving and anything in between. Short of locking them in the house and holding them prisoner, it doesn't matter what some parents do. Even the best of parents cannot control their childs destiny if they do not want to listen. If they could, then there would not be god knows how many dead kids all over the world from stupid senseless things.Cosmo wrote:But, I'm not one of those 'Blame the Parents for Bad Parenting' when their children make poor decisions.0 -
...Pj_Gurl wrote:Exactly. I wonder how many dead kids there are who had parents who tried everything to change their minds about poor decisions they felt they were making. And i'm not just talking about pregnancy at a young age, i'm talking about anything from hard drugs to drink driving and anything in between. Short of locking them in the house and holding them prisoner, it doesn't matter what some parents do. Even the best of parents cannot control their childs destiny if they do not want to listen. If they could, then there would not be god knows how many dead kids all over the world from stupid senseless things.
And I remember being a kid.. and a teenager... My parents didn't have a clue what I was up to. I wasn't telling them. And the case was the same for just about all of my friends. You had to be a complete idiot to tell your parents you are banging girls... and if you were the type to tell your parents.. chances are... you WEREN'T banging any girls.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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Alaska will inspire one to go into the wild.LikeAnOcean wrote:I think it reflects on how Mrs. Palin raised her children.. obviously to be horny, irresponsible sluts. PJ- 04/29/2003.06/24,25,27,28,30/2008.10/27,28,30,31/2009
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...LongRd. wrote:Alaska will inspire one to go into the wild.
Alaska also inspires kids to fuck... during those 6 Winter months when the fucking Sun never come up over the horizon and it's colder than a witch's tit in a brass bra up there. I mean, what the fuck are teenagers supposed to do up there... except fuck?Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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^True, and one was reference to the kid, not the mom.^PJ- 04/29/2003.06/24,25,27,28,30/2008.10/27,28,30,31/2009
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Oh boy. Haha. I feel a new signature coming up... that made me crack up cosmoCosmo wrote:...
Alaska also inspires kids to fuck... during those 6 Winter months when the fucking Sun never come up over the horizon and it's colder than a witch's tit in a brass bra up there. I mean, what the fuck are teenagers supposed to do up there... except fuck? 0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487Brain of J.Lo wrote:
I just don't know how I feel about this becoming a political issue.
Then you and everyone else needs to quit making threads about it and use the half dozen that are already running.
This is a non-issue. Even your candidate Obama said to let it go and not discuss it, best thing I've heard him say all year.0 -
When children get involved, it just gets personal. If Obama were to jump on this, then it would just be extremelly petty. I'm glad he hasn't, especially considering there's a lot of potential political mileage from it.
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Brain of J.Lo wrote:I'll admit, as much as I want to respect this girl's privacy (to the point that I wish I didn't even know this story), I can't let go of the irony that she is a pregnant teen who was raised in a household that teaches abstinence instead of birth control.
On one hand, no 17 year old girl should be scrutinized in the way she is bound to be in the coming days -- whether the candidates and mainstream media continue with their "off limits" stance, or not. She will be the topic of debates/discussions/gossip until the American Public finds something else to occupy our minds, or some other "baby bump" to watch. :rolleyes: But this is a very personal story, and she is technically a private citizen.
On the other hand, as the Right spins this story as an example of the Palin's putting their pro-life money where their pro-life mouths are, is it not also valid or fair to ask if this is one more example that abstinence-only education might not be such a great idea? To do so is not necessarily an indictment of the teen herself. Instead, it questions the (apparently) faulty methods her parents not only practice, but that her mother wishes to impose on every family in America?
If Sarah Palin wants to control the way our children receive sex education, and wants to alter or take away our reproductive rights so that there are no "choices" to make, how can she ask us not to discuss the choices her own family has made? If these are private matters for her family, why shouldn't they be for mine?
I just don't know how I feel about this becoming a political issue.
Abstinence only works if used, just like other methods of birth control. Only difference is that Abstinenece is 100% effective when used. Her family could have just as easily put a jar of condoms by the door, and they only would have worked if used.
Please define reproductive rights? You are legally allowed to have sex and reproduce, if you CHOOSE to do so. If you later decide your CHOICE was wrong, I guess you want a SECOND choice to kill the unborn baby? Do you consider abortion a "reproductive" right?
The media can ignore Rev. Wright, Father Flager, Bill Ayers, and Tony Resco for nearly a year... yet they will be all over this in an instant! Obama was an adult when he associated with those guys. This girl is a minor, and she shouldn't be put through this. Also it really has no impact on the campaign.09/02/00 09/05/00
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darkcrow wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/day-of-stunning-palin-dis_n_123065.html
"Being a Christian does not mean you're perfect," said Focus on the Family founder James Dobson. "Nor does it mean your children are perfect. But it does mean there is forgiveness and restoration when we confess our imperfections to the Lord."
so why no forgiveness for homosexuals?
I think it's pretty funny that men like that consider themselves Christians.0 -
I don't think the Dems can/should touch the issue. The Repubs, though, could make an issue of it.The only people we should try to get even with...
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