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"Incipient neo-colonialism." - The US policy on HIV prevention in Africa

sliverstainsliverstain Posts: 340
edited August 2006 in A Moving Train
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4797537.stm

Dear oh dear, yet again the religious "right" are dictating foreign policy, and helping to kill millions. Fucking freaks.

US criticised for HIV aid effort


US policy is undermining the efforts of African countries to fight the HIV epidemic, a leading UN figure has said.

Stephen Lewis, UN Special Envoy on Aids, said President George Bush's $15bn Emergency Plan for HIV/Aids was too focussed on promoting abstinence.

He said Washington was practising "incipient neo-colonialism" by telling African nations how to fight Aids.

He also accused the West of failing to deliver on funding commitments they had made to fight the disease.

The G8 countries could help to break the back of this pandemic if they viewed it as an emergency like no other emergency

Stephen Lewis

Speaking at the 16th International Aids Conference in Toronto, Dr Lewis said: "No government in the Western world has the right to dictate policy to African governments around the way in which they respond to the pandemic."

Sub-Saharan Africa remains the epicentre of the Aids pandemic, with two-thirds of all people living with HIV coming from the region.

Two million people died of Aids in the region last year and there were 2.7m new infections.

The Bush administration backs an "ABC" plan to fight Aids: Abstinence until marriage; Being faithful to one sexual partner; and if those conditions are not practised, the use of Condoms.

In 2003, the US Government approved a $15bn package over five years to fight the spread of Aids.

Abstinence programmes

But the US Congress has stipulated that a proportion of the funds must be spent on encouraging abstinence-until-marriage programmes.

Dr Lewis said abstinence programmes had been shown not to work.

"That kind of insipient neo-colonialism is unacceptable.

"We're saying to Africa: 'This is how you will respond to the pandemic' and that's not appropriate because African governments are eminently capable of deciding what their priorities are and what the response should be."

"You do not provide money on the condition that they reflect your ideological priorities."

Top US officials have rejected the criticism, denying it promotes abstinence to the detriment of other HIV prevention strategies, or that it is designed to appease conservative Republicans.

Mark Dybul, US Global Aids coordinator, said only 7% of funding for 2005 had been spent on abstinence programmes.

He said: "There is no evidence in support of what they are saying.

"It is colonialistic to not support ABC. ABC was developed by Africans for Africans - we are supporting their strategies."

Speaking to the BBC, Dr Lewis said the West had failed to provide sufficient funds to finance effective long-term prevention and treatment programmes.

"The G8 countries could help to break the back of this pandemic if they viewed it as an emergency like no other emergency - as the worst scourge on the face of the planet since the Black Death of the 14th century.

"That sense of urgency is not yet evident."
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    in another thread, didn't you want us to leave other nations to handle their own business?
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    siochansiochan Posts: 304
    I think it's a pathetic element of this planet's ruling elite that they can't help others without an agenda ........ even those not within the ruling elite help others but only because of personal or group agendas ........

    Horrible place we all live in ....what ever happened to looking out for others because we are all human beings?
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    chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4797537.stm


    Stephen Lewis, UN Special Envoy on Aids, said President George Bush's $15bn Emergency Plan for HIV/Aids was too focussed on promoting abstinence... Mark Dybul, US Global Aids coordinator, said only 7% of funding for 2005 had been spent on abstinence programmes.

    7% of 15 billion is too much?

    "You do not provide money on the condition that they reflect your ideological priorities."

    this line was very funny. This happens everyday. if I give money to something, I want that group to reflect my ideological priorities, b/c I am giving money to them. If they have their own money they can reflect whatever priority they want. That's like me giving money to PETA then complaining they tell people not to eat meat.
    ABC was developed by Africans for Africans - we are supporting their strategies."

    If this above is true, why are people complaining?? Shouldn't countries be allowed to come up with their own strategies?



    The above being said, there is a crisis in Africa and we should help out the best we can.
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    Yes, U.S. policy (just like any rich country's policy) toward fighting AIDS is silly, but it's not "helping to kill millions". Wasting a portion of the aid on promoting abstinence isn't killing anyone. AIDS and war is killing them.
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    Saturnal wrote:
    Yes, U.S. policy (just like any rich country's policy) toward fighting AIDS is silly, but it's not "helping to kill millions". Wasting a portion of the aid on promoting abstinence isn't killing anyone. AIDS and war is killing them.


    Just like the Catholic Church's refusal to promote safe sex over the last 20 years is NOT RESPONSIBLE for the spread of AIDS then?

    It's al down to education. In Europe and the US, we shag around, screw and fuck just as much as the africans do, so why is there no such epidemic here?

    Education. Any other reasons?
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    Just like the Catholic Church's refusal to promote safe sex over the last 20 years is NOT RESPONSIBLE for the spread of AIDS then?

    It's al down to education. In Europe and the US, we shag around, screw and fuck just as much as the africans do, so why is there no such epidemic here?

    Education. Any other reasons?



    I'm no fan of the Catholic Church, but they are hardly responsible for the ignorance of the masses. Its not as if they owe a duty of care to anybody. They are simply a religious institution, promoting their own agenda.

    And yes, your right about the need for education (and rubbers, lots of rubbers), but that doesn't make the Catholic Church (annoying as it may be) any more responsible for the spread of the disease.
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    in another thread, didn't you want us to leave other nations to handle their own business?

    Helping a country and attacking a country are two very different things....
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    I'm no fan of the Catholic Church, but they are hardly responsible for the ignorance of the masses. Its not as if they owe a duty of care to anybody. They are simply a religious institution, promoting their own agenda.

    And yes, your right about the need for education (and rubbers, lots of rubbers), but that doesn't make the Catholic Church (annoying as it may be) any more responsible for the spread of the disease.

    Catholic churches forbid the use of non-natural contraception (abstinence being the only mean they accept). Catholic church colonialisation and education of African communities led to such disasters as the Rwanda genocide, and the spread of AIDS disease. Yes, they are somehow, responsible.
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    surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    Catholic churches forbid the use of non-natural contraception (abstinence being the only mean they accept). Catholic church colonialisation and education of African communities led to such disasters as the Rwanda genocide, and the spread of AIDS disease. Yes, they are somehow, responsible.
    Bullshit. If people followed what was taught by the Catholic Church the spread of AIDS would not have happened. The people were 100% completely free to not follow the teachings of the Catholic Church. That there was a vacuum in education is not the fault of the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church did what any organization would do, it taught within it's beliefs. If people had followed what was taught there wouldn't be the problem we have. SO lets put th eonus on where it belongs, on the individual and their actions.
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    surferdude wrote:
    Bullshit. If people followed what was taught by the Catholic Church the spread of AIDS would not have happened. The people were 100% completely free to not follow the teachings of the Catholic Church. That there was a vacuum in education is not the fault of the Catholic Church.

    it's no bullshit, people don't have to follow catholic word, but they do, what's your point? Catholic colonialist in Africa are a plea to this continent, once education will come from somewhere else than the catholic world, Africans (generalisation i know) will just turn their back on them, just like everywhere else in the world. Catholic churches is responsible, i could say indirectly, but they are.
    "L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
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    surferdude wrote:
    Bullshit. If people followed what was taught by the Catholic Church the spread of AIDS would not have happened. The people were 100% completely free to not follow the teachings of the Catholic Church. That there was a vacuum in education is not the fault of the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church did what any organization would do, it taught within it's beliefs. If people had followed what was taught there wouldn't be the problem we have. SO lets put th eonus on where it belongs, on the individual and their actions.

    So they were to remain abstinent?

    So you blame the people for the lack of education? That is b/s.....
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    So they were to remain abstinent?

    So you blame the people for the lack of education? That is b/s.....

    Education is just a part of the problem, but yes many of them have never seen a condom in their life.

    About AIDS itself, more cheap and accessible medication would help, but company don'T want that, they want more shareholders profits, criminal fuckers...
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    chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    it's no bullshit, people don't have to follow catholic word, but they do, what's your point? Catholic colonialist in Africa are a plea to this continent, once education will come from somewhere else than the catholic world, Africans (generalisation i know) will just turn their back on them, just like everywhere else in the world. Catholic churches is responsible, i could say indirectly, but they are.

    so the catholic church is responsible for the african AIDS crisis now? We can pass blame to anyone it seems. I heard the eskimos haven't helped much, if they would have this wouldn't be a problem.
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    So they were to remain abstinent?

    So you blame the people for the lack of education? That is b/s.....


    No, but it isn't the Catholic Church's responsibility to provide the afforementioned education, particularly where it is inconsistent with their own (the Church) views. Abstanence is a shitty solution, but its a solution.

    And honestly, if a person doesn't agree with abstaining from sex, why are they even listening to the Church in the first place? The real problem is that no other organization is truly stepping up to the plate, offering a better alternative. People can blame Catholicism for this if they choose, but as I stated earlier, the Chruch doesn't owe anybody a special duty of care.
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    surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    So they were to remain abstinent?

    So you blame the people for the lack of education? That is b/s.....
    Or how about one partner for life.

    I could blame you directly for not taking your good education over there and educating them yourself. If you didn't and don't like what the Catholic Church is teaching them why don't you get off the sidelines and go do it yourself.

    Blaming others for taking a course of action consistant with their beliefs and when they've made the course of action very public is childish. You or anyone else were not prevented in any way by the Catholic Church from taking action. Find a mirror, take a look in it, place all blame on who you see.
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