I have a question.

jimdietrichjimdietrich Posts: 42
edited June 2006 in A Moving Train
How is it that congress will pass a multi billion dollar bill to fund the exploration of the moon and mars today, and the people of New Orleans here on earth still can't afford to fix their houses and move home?
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  • 1970RR1970RR Posts: 281
    Because they are planning to rebuild the city on Mars, as it is less prone to flooding.
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,118
    because they do not give a fuck... and it is US that let this shit happen...it is OUR money they are stealing
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    How is it that congress will pass a multi billion dollar bill to fund the exploration of the moon and mars today, and the people of New Orleans here on earth still can't afford to fix their houses and move home?

    is it good fiscal use to re-build in New Orleans in it's previous location? I mean look at the billions that are going into a city that wasn't maintained correctly and built below sea level. On a side note i think we can better use the money than mars and moon exploration but should we be more discretionary in how we allocate the funds to NO?
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  • I think space exploration is one arena that the Government needs to privatize. NASA is a complete waste of money, IMHO.

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  • chopitdown wrote:
    is it good fiscal use to re-build in New Orleans in it's previous location? I mean look at the billions that are going into a city that wasn't maintained correctly and built below sea level. On a side note i think we can better use the money than mars and moon exploration but should we be more discretionary in how we allocate the funds to NO?
    We have the technology to rebuild and do it safer it would just cost money.
    Example Amsterdam
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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    We have the technology to rebuild and do it safer it would just cost money.
    Example Amsterdam

    Does Amsterdam get threatened with hurricanes? NO was not in structural peril before the hurricaines was it? I just don't think it's a bright move to re-build in the same place. Just my opinion. Should we spend the money on technology to save a city or should we move the city above sea level?
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    chopitdown wrote:
    Does Amsterdam get threatened with hurricanes? NO was not in structural peril before the hurricaines was it? I just don't think it's a bright move to re-build in the same place. Just my opinion. Should we spend the money on technology to save a city or should we move the city above sea level?

    question: where do should New Orleans move...?

    "above sea level" is a big place...
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    inmytree wrote:
    question: where do should New Orleans move...?

    "above sea level" is a big place...

    touche...and i'll take the easy way out...that's for the gov't and the people of LA to figure out but i'm fairly sure the entire state is not below sea level. I just think that if we have the opportunity to take some precautions and stack the deck in NO favor it would be beneficial.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    chopitdown wrote:
    Does Amsterdam get threatened with hurricanes? NO was not in structural peril before the hurricaines was it? I just don't think it's a bright move to re-build in the same place. Just my opinion. Should we spend the money on technology to save a city or should we move the city above sea level?


    No Amsterdam does not get impacted by hurricanes but did you ever see the North Sea during a storm? The storm surge is pretty damn close to what was seen during Katrina. Minus the strong winds it's pretty much the same.
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  • Eliot RosewaterEliot Rosewater Posts: 2,684
    brink wrote:
    I think space exploration is one arena that the Government needs to privatize. NASA is a complete waste of money, IMHO.
    I could not agree with you more. The sick amount of money that's wasted on NASA is shameful. When we have a government funded program such as NASA and a congress that spends two days debating on ammending the constitution over burning a flag.....what else do I need to say to show how fucked up this country's priorites are?
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    mammasan wrote:
    No Amsterdam does not get impacted by hurricanes but did you ever see the North Sea during a storm? The storm surge is pretty damn close to what was seen during Katrina. Minus the strong winds it's pretty much the same.

    nah i haven't seen that so I'll take your word for it. And hopefully if they chose to keep rebuilding NO at the present site they take the necessary precautions, perhaps following the amsterdam model, if it's appropriate.
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    chopitdown wrote:
    touche...and i'll take the easy way out...that's for the gov't and the people of LA to figure out but i'm fairly sure the entire state is not below sea level. I just think that if we have the opportunity to take some precautions and stack the deck in NO favor it would be beneficial.

    for the record...I feel the construction of NO should be well planned and done correctly, meaning with precautions to protect the city from future storms, like you mentioned...

    I also think this country has a perfect chance to seek ways to resolve energy issue with the re-building of NO...I think it should be built Green...Solar and Wind power should be the norm, perhaps levy/damn system could be designed to harness water power...and yes, it may cost extra, but if it works, the returns would be greater than the cost...

    I think the money wasted on exploring mars would be better spent on focusing on the here and now....
  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    How is it that congress will pass a multi billion dollar bill to fund the exploration of the moon and mars today, and the people of New Orleans here on earth still can't afford to fix their houses and move home?


    Wait until they find black people on Mars. They won't go there either!

    As for the person/people saying to rebuild NO somewhere else. How many families are you housing until their homes get built? As I thought. Such an easy idea when you aren't the one missing anything!
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  • LazLaz Posts: 118
    We need to NASA to find us a home after global warming brings this planet to a slow boil
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    inmytree wrote:
    for the record...I feel the construction of NO should be well planned and done correctly, meaning with precautions to protect the city from future storms, like you mentioned...

    I also think this country has a perfect chance to seek ways to resolve energy issue with the re-building of NO...I think it should be built Green...Solar and Wind power should be the norm, perhaps levy/damn system could be designed to harness water power...and yes, it may cost extra, but if it works, the returns would be greater than the cost...

    I think the money wasted on exploring mars would be better spent on focusing on the here and now....

    I agree wholeheartedly, that's a good idea on building it as a Green city. It's not every day we get a chance to rebuild and rework a city and see if we really can integrate those changes.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    inmytree wrote:
    for the record...I feel the construction of NO should be well planned and done correctly, meaning with precautions to protect the city from future storms, like you mentioned...

    I also think this country has a perfect chance to seek ways to resolve energy issue with the re-building of NO...I think it should be built Green...Solar and Wind power should be the norm, perhaps levy/damn system could be designed to harness water power...and yes, it may cost extra, but if it works, the returns would be greater than the cost...

    I think the money wasted on exploring mars would be better spent on focusing on the here and now....

    I completely agree with. this country should spend the money to rebuild No the right way. Unfortunetly in order to accomplish this you need a government that doesn't have it's head up it's ass.
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  • jeffbrjeffbr SeattlePosts: 6,660
    I agree with some posters that we should privitize the space program. I also think we should rebuild New Orleans up in the mountains in Montana.

    It was dumb enough that the French built the city below sea level. It is even dumber that the city/state/fed allowed the infrastructure to fall into a state of disarray. Dumber still that people, knowing the risk for decades, chose to remain there, and the height of folly that once it was leveled we think it is a good idea to put it back where it was. Put the existing city under water where it naturally belongs (call it New Orleans Bay or something), and move the new city up river. It could still be an important port city.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    jeffbr wrote:
    I agree with some posters that we should privitize the space program. I also think we should rebuild New Orleans up in the mountains in Montana.

    It was dumb enough that the French built the city below sea level. It is even dumber that the city/state/fed allowed the infrastructure to fall into a state of disarray. Dumber still that people, knowing the risk for decades, chose to remain there, and the height of folly that once it was leveled we think it is a good idea to put it back where it was. Put the existing city under water where it naturally belongs (call it New Orleans Bay or something), and move the new city up river. It could still be an important port city.

    The city can still remain where it is but the levee system has to built the right way. Amsterdam is a perfect example of how a city can exist under sea level and still be adequately protected. The problem was and probably still is that our government is unwilling or too stupid to properly finance the building of a secure levee system along the line of Amsterdam's.

    I think inmytree had a great idea. The city can use the very ocean to power itself, but again it needs to be financed and it order to accomplish this it will cost a lot more than the simple patchwork job they are probably planning on doing which the government is probably reluctant to spend.
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  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,445
    Ya, I don't get the space program where we could spend money here.
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  • Eliot RosewaterEliot Rosewater Posts: 2,684
    Laz wrote:
    We need to NASA to find us a home after global warming brings this planet to a slow boil
    That's what Stephen Hawking says as well. However, I'm under the impression that global warming will kill us long before we're even close to living on another planet.
  • LazLaz Posts: 118
    Stephen Hawking needs to figure out how to get us into hyperspace
  • No one answered the question. How do you as a human go into the room and piss money away like that with so many suffering and can acctualy be helped by this money. Health care, perscription drugs, kids dying of starvation. How can you spend billions and turn your back on so many others?
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    No one answered the question. How do you as a human go into the room and piss money away like that with so many suffering and can acctualy be helped by this money. Health care, perscription drugs, kids dying of starvation. How can you spend billions and turn your back on so many others?


    Maybe the people of NO need to get themselves a powerfull lobby to donate millions of dollars to either party and then they would start to matter. People talk about the amount of many being mismanaged in our social welfare programs but noone, not even the government gives a shit about the millions of dollars that are waisted yearly on such failed or failing programs such as the Missle Defense Shield. The government mostly cares about making money for the people that really keep them in power, and we are not part of the equation.
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  • flywallyflyflywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    Kanye West doesnt like Mars. Or the moon.
  • LazLaz Posts: 118
    No one answered the question. How do you as a human go into the room and piss money away like that with so many suffering and can acctualy be helped by this money. Health care, perscription drugs, kids dying of starvation. How can you spend billions and turn your back on so many others?


    I don't know how can they turn their backs on others? Maybe they (whoever they is) don't consider turning their backs such a bad thing as others do? Priorities man...
  • barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    That's what Stephen Hawking says as well. However, I'm under the impression that global warming will kill us long before we're even close to living on another planet.


    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060613/D8I7ADB81.html

    Hawking Says Humans Must Go Into Space

    Jun 13, 7:50 AM (ET)

    By SYLVIA HUI

    (AP) Renowned astrophysicist Stephen Hawking from the University of Cambridge, front, is accompanied by...
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    HONG KONG (AP) - The survival of the human race depends on its ability to find new homes elsewhere in the universe because there's an increasing risk that a disaster will destroy the Earth, world-renowned scientist Stephen Hawking said Tuesday.

    The British astrophysicist told a news conference in Hong Kong that humans could have a permanent base on the moon in 20 years and a colony on Mars in the next 40 years.

    "We won't find anywhere as nice as Earth unless we go to another star system," added Hawking, who arrived to a rock star's welcome Monday. Tickets for his lecture planned for Wednesday were sold out.

    He added that if humans can avoid killing themselves in the next 100 years, they should have space settlements that can continue without support from Earth.

    "It is important for the human race to spread out into space for the survival of the species," Hawking said. "Life on Earth is at the ever-increasing risk of being wiped out by a disaster, such as sudden global warming, nuclear war, a genetically engineered virus or other dangers we have not yet thought of."

    The 64-year-old scientist - author of the global best seller "A Brief History of Time" - is wheelchair-bound and communicates with the help of a computer because he suffers from a neurological disorder called amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, or ALS.

    Hawking said he's teaming up with his daughter to write a children's book about the universe, aimed at the same age range as the Harry Potter books.

    "It is a story for children, which explains the wonders of the universe," his daughter, Lucy, added.

    They didn't provide other details.
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  • Eliot RosewaterEliot Rosewater Posts: 2,684
    mammasan wrote:
    Maybe the people of NO need to get themselves a powerfull lobby to donate millions of dollars to either party and then they would start to matter. People talk about the amount of many being mismanaged in our social welfare programs but noone, not even the government gives a shit about the millions of dollars that are waisted yearly on such failed or failing programs such as the Missle Defense Shield. The government mostly cares about making money for the people that really keep them in power, and we are not part of the equation.
    Terribly sad, but that is absolutely the answer to the original question.
  • CenterCityCenterCity Posts: 193
    How is it that congress will pass a multi billion dollar bill to fund the exploration of the moon and mars today, and the people of New Orleans here on earth still can't afford to fix their houses and move home?


    i know what you mean.....its like priorities.....but i wouldn't put space exploration and the new orleans tragedy in the same category.....not from the same list. and we know that all this stuff can in fact be taken care of at the same time as we've seen from past governments.

    its probably that the space bill has been in the works for years.

    surely there is someone in congress working on the new orleans tragedy--and probably also looking into what went wrong. in the meantime, its good to know that people are still helping new orleans fix the houses.
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  • eddies grrleddies grrl Posts: 509
    How is it that congress will pass a multi billion dollar bill to fund the exploration of the moon and mars today, and the people of New Orleans here on earth still can't afford to fix their houses and move home?

    i guess that answer lies in how much money stands to be made from each pursuit, and who'd be making it.
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  • CenterCity wrote:
    i know what you mean.....its like priorities.....but i wouldn't put space exploration and the new orleans tragedy in the same category.....not from the same list. and we know that all this stuff can in fact be taken care of at the same time as we've seen from past governments.

    its probably that the space bill has been in the works for years.

    surely there is someone in congress working on the new orleans tragedy--and probably also looking into what went wrong. in the meantime, its good to know that people are still helping new orleans fix the houses.
    I hope you are kidding. How sure are you that someone in congress is working on New Orleans? How sure are you that some one is working on health care?
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