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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Am i the only one who believes that Sarah Palin is irresponsible for having a baby at the age of 42 or 43. The risks are so great for problems...and now her 17 year old daughter is pregnant, and she could possibly be the next leader of your country. I find that a little scary. But maybe thats just me.
  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    yield6 wrote:
    Am i the only one who believes that Sarah Palin is irresponsible for having a baby at the age of 42 or 43. The risks are so great for problems...and now her 17 year old daughter is pregnant, and she could possibly be the next leader of your country. I find that a little scary. But maybe thats just me.

    To be fair, it has no bearing on the issues. And it does cut both ways. The Obamas have a six-year old daughter, which requires alot of attention. It's not quite as high-maintenence, but it's not like the Bush girls who were off at college when Daddy took office.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    thats not what im getting at....having a child at that age greatly increases the chances of mental and physical defects. Which in my mind if you dont believe in abortion is irresponsible.
  • anotherclone
    anotherclone Posts: 1,688
    digster wrote:
    Obama would do both himself, his campaign, and the entire race alot of good to get out in front of this story and say it has no bearings on the issues. The main differentiation between Democrats and Republicans in the past two presidential races is that they have not extensively used Karl Rove-anything goes type tactics. Obama needs to jump on this; it'll put the focus back on the issues, and I think he'd gain alot of respect for doing so.

    agreed. McCain and Palin are using the politics of distraction in more way than one.
  • darkcrow
    darkcrow Posts: 1,102
    http://www.washingtonindependent.com/3767/palin-involved-in-ousting-scandals-from-the-start

    Palin: The Iron-Fist Mayor?
    By Laura McGann 9/1/08 8:49 PM
    WASILLA, Alaska — Earlier today, First Lady Laura Bush urged us to remember Gov. Sarah Palin’s record as mayor of her hometown from 1996-2002 when assessing her experience. I agree.

    Driving around this city today, I decided it looks more or less like a string of strip malls, 45 minutes northeast of Anchorage. I couldn’t help but think that being mayor of a place like this would be something akin to running a large neighborhood watch.

    The main highway that runs through town is lined with new big-box stores, including a Target and a Wal-Mart. A handful of fast-food chains as well as some local restaurants also sprinkle the main drag. Breathtaking mountains, the peaks still lightly dusted with snow, create a striking backdrop. Despite the chain stores, this small city feels distant from the rest of the world. I’d have guessed Palin would have run the city with a “we’re in this together” theme.

    It turns out she had a somewhat different approach. If a small-town mayor ever ruled with an iron fist — it was Palin. Eleven days after taking office in 1996, she mailed letters to each of the city’s top managers requesting that they resign as a test of loyalty.

    The Anchorage Daily News at the time reported the strange events: (via Nexis)

    Mayor Sarah Palin sent the resignation requests Thursday to Police Chief Irl Stambaugh, public works director Jack Felton, finance director Duane Dvorak and Mary Ellen Emmons, the head of libraries. A fifth director — John Cooper, who oversaw the city museum — resigned earlier this month after Palin eliminated his position.

    Cooper initially resisted resigning, but to no avail. Palin also later fired the police chief, saying she knew in her “heart” that he did not support her. She left the head of libraries a letter saying she was out — though Palin later decided to spare the librarian after being convinced that she would tow the line.

    The whole saga is unusual — considering Palin prides herself on being independent and seems to enjoy butting heads with her own party. But, this sounds like she requires fierce loyalty of those who work for her.

    I’m still reporting on Palin’s time as mayor. More to come soon.
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  • anotherclone
    anotherclone Posts: 1,688
    From Time magazine, she wanted to ban books in the library!! Are you FUCKING kidding me?

    http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1837918,00.html

    "Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." The librarian, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire her for not giving "full support" to the mayor."
  • jhinkle1114
    jhinkle1114 Posts: 212
    anotherclone wrote:
    From Time magazine, she wanted to ban books in the library!! Are you FUCKING kidding me?

    http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1837918,00.html

    "Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." The librarian, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire her for not giving "full support" to the mayor."


    Now, stuff like this is disturbing and what we should be focusing on. Not personal stuff like her daughter getting knocked up.

    Palin has plenty of flaws directly related to her values and actions as mayor/governor that can be focused on to show why she shouldn't be VP. No need to drag her daughter through the mud.
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  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    I think it's infinitly funny that the same people who are "fighting for the right's of embryos" , are the very same people who want to strip the rights of everyone in this country and force/bully people to live their lives according to their demented religious beliefs.

    And by funny, I don't mean ...hahaha....funny.

    I mean, you're a major asshole......funny.
  • darkcrow
    darkcrow Posts: 1,102
    anotherclone wrote:
    From Time magazine, she wanted to ban books in the library!! Are you FUCKING kidding me?

    http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1837918,00.html

    "Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." The librarian, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire her for not giving "full support" to the mayor."

    Are there any titles specified? Just curious to what she would think should be banned. I can't imagin a small town library to be filled with that many different titles.
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  • meistereder
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    darkcrow wrote:
    Are there any titles specified? Just curious to what she would think should be banned. I can't imagin a small town library to be filled with that many different titles.

    Usually, the books people try to ban are ones that are "too violent", "too graphic" or "too sex-oriented." Also, the religious right has tried to ban books that are about witchcraft and sorcery. I believe Harry Potter has been targetted by some Christian groups in the past because it is about "unnatural religion" or something.

    I don't know the specific books that Palin was concerned about, but those are your usual suspects.
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  • anotherclone
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    darkcrow wrote:
    Are there any titles specified? Just curious to what she would think should be banned. I can't imagin a small town library to be filled with that many different titles.

    That's what I thought as well. I'm sure a town library for 7,000 people was just full of porn. ;) Shit, if you checked it out...everyone would know about it anyway!
  • darkcrow
    darkcrow Posts: 1,102
    no surprises....

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html


    Three months before she was thrust into the national political spotlight, Gov. Sarah Palin was asked to handle a much smaller task: addressing the graduating class of commission students at her one-time church, Wasilla Assembly of God.

    Her speech in June provides as much insight into her policy leanings as anything uncovered since she was asked to be John McCain's running mate.

    Speaking before the Pentecostal church, Palin painted the current war in Iraq as a messianic affair in which the United States could act out the will of the Lord.

    "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

    Religion, however, was not strictly a thread in Palin's foreign policy. It was part of her energy proposals as well. Just prior to discussing Iraq, Alaska's governor asked the audience to pray for another matter -- a $30 billion national gas pipeline project that she wanted built in the state. "I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she said.

    Video of Kalnins and Palin from June 8, 2008 (via wasillaag.net):

    Palin's address, much of which was spent reflecting on the work of the church in which she grew up and was baptized, underscores the notion that her world view is deeply impacted by religion. In turn, her remarks raise important questions: mainly, what is Palin's faith and how exactly has it influenced her policies?

    A review of recorded sermons by Ed Kalnins, the senior pastor of Wasilla Assembly of God since 1999, offers a provocative and, for some, eyebrow-raising sketch of Palin's longtime spiritual home.
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  • blackredyellow
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    darkcrow wrote:
    "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

    Religion, however, was not strictly a thread in Palin's foreign policy. It was part of her energy proposals as well. Just prior to discussing Iraq, Alaska's governor asked the audience to pray for another matter -- a $30 billion national gas pipeline project that she wanted built in the state. "I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she said.

    Great... an ideological nutjob... As many problems that I have with McCain's policies, after 8 years of it, I was a least ok that if he was elected, his policy wouldn't be based on religious ideology. Now I'm not so sure.

    Why the heck would McCain pick someone so different from him?
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  • digster
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    blackredyellow wrote:
    Why the heck would McCain pick someone so different from him?

    He wants to be elected, and thinks that he cannot do it with the Christian right. He may be wrong, but I think the social conservatives have definetely and successfully hijacked the Republican Party in the last two decades.
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    digster wrote:
    He wants to be elected, and thinks that he cannot do it with the Christian right. He may be wrong, but I think the social conservatives have definetely and successfully hijacked the Republican Party in the last two decades.

    Yeah... maybe I gave McCain too much credit... Besides from the required campaign pandering, I thought he would keep at arm's length of this crap. I guess it's good news for democrats, because I just can't see his campaign making this move unless they were absolutely desperate.
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  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Yeah... maybe I gave McCain too much credit... Besides from the required campaign pandering, I thought he would keep at arm's length of this crap. I guess it's good news for democrats, because I just can't see his campaign making this move unless they were absolutely desperate.

    It's the same reason he called Jerry Falwell decisive, and then met with him in 2000. It's the same reason he supported Bush in 2004, even though Bush was responsible for some horrific negative campaigning in South Carolina in 2000. Same reason he flip-flopped on the tax cuts, shifted his poisitions on immigration reform, so on and so forth. After 2000, I think McCain saw that he was at odds with the most powerful part of the Republican Party at the time (i.e. social conservatives). So he started shifting his positions and stances to make himself acceptable, if not desirable, to that group of people. It worked, he got the nomination. However, I think he underestimated just how much the rest of the country was going to hate Bush by the end of his presidency. So he took a calculated risk by buddying up with Bush on more issues, but I think it's ended up being a liability.
  • whitepants
    whitepants Posts: 729
    Hmmmm, Sarah Palin's selection has a lot of folks skeered.

    I wonder why? ;)
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  • anotherclone
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    It is being reported that her husband was a member of the secessionist roup that wanted Alaska to leave the US as recent as 2002.

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/todd_palin_was_registered_memb.php

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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,798
    As with anything else we don't understand...start tearing it down.

    Didn't Obama even say, we can disagree without becoming disagreeable?

    This shit is getting old...not as old as John McCain or as old as Biden's tenure in Washington though. Now those too things are very old.
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  • anotherclone
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    cincybearcat wrote:
    As with anything else we don't understand...start tearing it down.

    So, don't question anything?

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