Pandering 101 (it doesn't matter what you DO, but what you say)

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  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    In my opinion, Nader's shit is smelling much better than Obama's at this point.

    The thing is no one has said Obama is perfect. He's not much better than Hillary in my book. But Nader is no alternative either. I'm sick of the Nader posturing like he is a political messiah is all.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    And now you must understand why we continue to elect leaders who are worthless. The media says crap is all that is 'viable'. So pick your flavor of crap and get behind it. Progress!

    I hear you...but I don't blame the media...I blame the system...of which we are all a part of...

    if it were up to the media, Hillary would be our choice...people are choosing Obama...he's winning...he's winning because of his style and is message...

    for me, he presents something new, an unknown...and the man can speak...if anything, he has that going for him...he's smooooooth....and after listening to the tard in the whitehouse for the past 7+ years, his ability to communicate is refreshing...

    yeah, yeah...he's all talk...well, who isn't...? if he can sit down and smooze the world...I say hooray...
  • Dustin51
    Dustin51 Posts: 222
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Doesn't take away from a single point mentioned. But don't address those.


    And also Nader wouldn't be running if the Dems weren't pulling shit like this constantly

    LOL...I addressed those in a previous post. you're a funny guy.
    Be excellent to each other
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Dustin51 wrote:
    LOL...I addressed those in a previous post. you're a funny guy.

    Not like I had hoped. Much of what was in the article has remained unaddressed in this thread. I guess I thought some of this might surprise or give cause for concern with some of you. But I guess it's more about picking a side and winning instead of caring about how our country is being ran.

    I'm a girl.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Obama's shit never had a chance with you


    How did you come to this conclusion? I can't say it enough....I'm voting on the issues and records.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • anotherclone
    anotherclone Posts: 1,688
    I think it would be MORE interesting to see a topic that would explain why anyone should vote for McCain, Nader, or Hillary instead of a plethora of topics why Obama is so terrible, smells bad etc.

    All I hear in that first post is negative about Obama. Great, I get it. He's not the pretty picture on the mantle. If you look hard enough, there are negatives about every candidate. Tell me positive about who you like. By posting all this type of stuff, all I'm hearing is what is wrong with one person. Tell me what's right about another.

    Otherwise, you aren't really pursuading anyone to do anything.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    flywallyfly wrote:
    The thing is no one has said Obama is perfect. He's not much better than Hillary in my book. But Nader is no alternative either. I'm sick of the Nader posturing like he is a political messiah is all.

    Where has Nader said he's a 'politicial messiah'? The perception of him being legendary public servant has taken more hits because of him running, actually. But he has been quoted as saying that how he is viewed doesn't matter because the issues he's going up against are more important and need to be addressed in the mainstream.

    Now, any opinion about the OP?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    inmytree wrote:
    I hear you...but I don't blame the media...I blame the system...of which we are all a part of...

    if it were up to the media, Hillary would be our choice...people are choosing Obama...he's winning...he's winning because of his style and is message...

    for me, he presents something new, an unknown...and the man can speak...if anything, he has that going for him...he's smooooooth....and after listening to the tard in the whitehouse for the past 7+ years, his ability to communicate is refreshing...

    yeah, yeah...he's all talk...well, who isn't...? if he can sit down and smooze the world...I say hooray...



    Nader is not all talk. I'm sure you're aware of his body of work. Any opinion about the points made in the OP?


    I can't belive how many here are exactly like the conservatives were in 04. Ignore the issues and support your side at all costs. I thought I was going to see some real discourse and concern....a real sense of urgency to push real progress and make this election about what we the people want to see happen in this country. Nope just more of the same. Excuses.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    anotherclone wrote:
    I think it would be MORE interesting to see a topic that would explain why anyone should vote for McCain, Nader, or Hillary instead of a plethora of topics why Obama is so terrible, smells bad etc.

    All I hear in that first post is negative about Obama. Great, I get it. He's not the pretty picture on the mantle. If you look hard enough, there are negatives about every candidate. Tell me positive about who you like. By posting all this type of stuff, all I'm hearing is what is wrong with one person. Tell me what's right about another.

    Otherwise, you aren't really pursuading anyone to do anything.

    I did. I'm sorry you missed it.

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=274637&highlight=Nader


    I'm getting the feeling you guys would prefer if none of this about Obama's record ever saw daylight.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Dustin51
    Dustin51 Posts: 222
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Not like I had hoped. Much of what was in the article has remained unaddressed in this thread. I guess I thought some of this might surprise or give cause for concern with some of you. But I guess it's more about picking a side and winning instead of caring about how our country is being ran.

    I'm a girl.

    I apologize. You;re a funny girl...lol. kidding. Seriously though, that was like a really long article and i dont really want to read the whole thing but I agree we all should. And from what I read I think it's an interesting article.

    I commend your steadfastness(is that a word). I voted for Nader in 2000. I like the guy a tremendous amount and I dont subscribe to the theory that we shouldn't vote for someone just because they can't win. We should vote for who we believe in. The thing is, a lot of us really believe in Barrack.
    Be excellent to each other
  • Dustin51
    Dustin51 Posts: 222
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I did. I'm sorry you missed it.

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=274637&highlight=Nader


    I'm getting the feeling you guys would prefer if none of this about Obama's record ever saw daylight.


    Personally I dont mind his record being out. I think he has a fine record regardless of homeboy's commentary on it.
    Be excellent to each other
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Dustin51 wrote:
    I apologize. You;re a funny girl...lol. kidding. Seriously though, that was like a really long article and i dont really want to read the whole thing but I agree we all should. And from what I read I think it's an interesting article.

    I commend your steadfastness(is that a word). I voted for Nader in 2000. I like the guy a tremendous amount and I dont subscribe to the theory that we shouldn't vote for someone just because they can't win. We should vote for who we believe in. The thing is, a lot of us really believe in Barrack.


    I know you do. That's why I want to know if the information posted in the OP would have any effect on your support or opinion of him.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • anotherclone
    anotherclone Posts: 1,688
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I did. I'm sorry you missed it.

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=274637&highlight=Nader


    I'm getting the feeling you guys would prefer if none of this about Obama's record ever saw daylight.

    ooopsie daisy...you are absolutely correct, I did miss that.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Dustin51 wrote:
    Personally I dont mind his record being out. I think he has a fine record regardless of homeboy's commentary on it.


    How do you feel about his votes for the Patriot Act?
    How do you feel about his votes to fund the war and prolong it instead of urging withdrawl?
    How do you feel about his vote for the CAFA?
    How do you feel about HR 676 Single Payer National Insurance and his vote against it?
    How do you feel about his lobbyists in the nuclear power industry snd his continued support of it?
    How do you feel about his vote for the wall on the border and he new campaign stance of being against it?
    How do you feel about his vote against the credit card interest rate cap while his campaign has been so against predatory lending?
    How do you feel about him sponsering the National Medical Error Disclosure and Compensation Act of 2005?
    How do you feel about his opposition to The Hardrock Mining and Reclamation Act of 2007 while having a key advisor in Nevada that is a Nevada-based lobbyist in the employ of various mining companies?
    How do you feel about his weak energy policy in a time of crisis?
    How do you feel about his doublespeak on NAFTA brought up in this article?
    How do you feel about his leanings towards supporting Israel?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Rats of Multa
    Rats of Multa Posts: 250
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Nader is not all talk. I'm sure you're aware of his body of work. Any opinion about the points made in the OP?


    I can't belive how many here are exactly like the conservatives were in 04. Ignore the issues and support your side at all costs. I thought I was going to see some real discourse and concern....a real sense of urgency to push real progress and make this election about what we the people want to see happen in this country. Nope just more of the same. Excuses.


    you can't believe? first of all, i dont believe you were being honest in that statement, but i forgive you. "anything for dramatic effect",.. right! secondly, i too thought perhaps this election would bring about a greater degree of discourse and debate, and therein work to elevate the masses of america into a more progressive state.

    ha! looks like we're a couple of fools!
    we don’t know just where our bones will rest,
    to dust i guess,
    forgotten and absorbed into the earth below,..
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Rats of Multa wrote:
    you can't believe? first of all, i dont believe you were being honest in that statement, but i forgive you. "anything for dramatic effect",.. right! secondly, i too thought perhaps this election would bring about a greater degree of discourse and debate, and therein work to elevate the masses of america into a more progressive state.

    ha! looks like we're a couple of fools!

    Honestly, some of the people here and the posts I'm used to seeing from them...yeah, I really can't believe it. Especially, the ones who have posted over and over again about the corruption of the two parties in power and the urge for progress in this country. All talk I suppose when it comes down to it. But you're correct, others I shouldn't be too surprised at.

    Sadly, we definitely were a couple of fools. *sigh*
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    How do you feel about his votes for the Patriot Act?
    How do you feel about his votes to fund the war and prolong it instead of urging withdrawl?
    How do you feel about his vote for the CAFA?
    How do you feel about HR 676 Single Payer National Insurance and his vote against it?
    How do you feel about his lobbyists in the nuclear power industry snd his continued support of it?
    How do you feel about his vote for the wall on the border and he new campaign stance of being against it?
    How do you feel about his vote against the credit card interest rate cap while his campaign has been so against predatory lending?
    How do you feel about him sponsering the National Medical Error Disclosure and Compensation Act of 2005?
    How do you feel about his opposition to The Hardrock Mining and Reclamation Act of 2007 while having a key advisor in Nevada that is a Nevada-based lobbyist in the employ of various mining companies?
    How do you feel about his weak energy policy in a time of crisis?
    How do you feel about his doublespeak on NAFTA brought up in this article?
    How do you feel about his leanings towards supporting Israel?

    Where'd everybody go?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Rats of Multa
    Rats of Multa Posts: 250
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Honestly, some of the people here and the posts I'm used to seeing from them...yeah, I really can't believe it. Especially, the ones who have posted over and over again about the corruption of the two parties in power and the urge for progress in this country. All talk I suppose when it comes down to it. But you're correct, others I shouldn't be too surprised at.

    Sadly, we definitely were a couple of fools. *sigh*


    yea. not sure where youre dancing in the moonlight, but if anywhere near wyoming, id be psyched to share a drink. :)
    we don’t know just where our bones will rest,
    to dust i guess,
    forgotten and absorbed into the earth below,..
  • Dustin51
    Dustin51 Posts: 222
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    How do you feel about his votes for the Patriot Act?
    How do you feel about his votes to fund the war and prolong it instead of urging withdrawl?
    How do you feel about his vote for the CAFA?
    How do you feel about HR 676 Single Payer National Insurance and his vote against it?
    How do you feel about his lobbyists in the nuclear power industry snd his continued support of it?
    How do you feel about his vote for the wall on the border and he new campaign stance of being against it?
    How do you feel about his vote against the credit card interest rate cap while his campaign has been so against predatory lending?
    How do you feel about him sponsering the National Medical Error Disclosure and Compensation Act of 2005?
    How do you feel about his opposition to The Hardrock Mining and Reclamation Act of 2007 while having a key advisor in Nevada that is a Nevada-based lobbyist in the employ of various mining companies?
    How do you feel about his weak energy policy in a time of crisis?
    How do you feel about his doublespeak on NAFTA brought up in this article?
    How do you feel about his leanings towards supporting Israel?

    Have you seen his abs?
    Be excellent to each other
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    ...somewhere quiet to be alone, and silently weep into their dinner plate as the hard realities sink in... :D

    If Obama were a drug he'd be cocaine....hell of a buzz, but the comedown is a kicker... :D:D

    on that note.......woohoo....Obamam 08

    Oh well...there's always next election...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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