Why is Iran's nuclear energy program Ilegal...

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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    According to Barak Obama?

    anyone?

    I'd like to get some clarification on this one...

    where did he say this...? just curious...Honestly, I don't have everything he says memorized...

    anyway, when I see him, I'll ask for you...
  • Strangest Tribe
    Strangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    ah...I don't get it either....who knows????

    part of me still HOPES that B.O is playing the middle ground and not trying to be too unelectable.
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  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    Strangest Tribe wrote:
    ah...I don't get it either....who knows????

    part of me still HOPES that B.O is playing the middle ground and not trying to be too unelectable.
    are you voting for him? what happens when you vote for him and it turns out that he wasn't just playing middle ground and sticks to his word?
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    _outlaw wrote:
    are you voting for him? what happens when you vote for him and it turns out that he wasn't just playing middle ground and sticks to his word?

    that's a chance we all take when we choose to vote...
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    inmytree wrote:
    that's a chance we all take when we choose to vote...
    so you're choosing to take a chance that he might be saying all this just to get elected??

    you'd rather believe in some hope you're pulling out of nowhere, than go by facts from his history of voting and speeches?? seriously?

    and you're willing to risk handing over the presidency to some guy based on this "chance?"

    wow.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    According to Barak Obama?

    anyone?

    I'd like to get some clarification on this one...

    let me ask you 2 questions... 2 honest questions... and please answer in your own words and dont quote anyone else or provide links... because i know about the report from about 4 years ago that said they shut down their weapons program... and please dont answer "well israel has nukes and we have nukes so whats the porblem"

    1. Do you believe that Iran truly has no interest in Nuclear weapon capablilties, and are being totally honest about their intentions that they are only in pursuit of nuclear energy and not weapons

    2. What do you think about a nuclear armed Iran? good thing, bad thing, or indifferent?
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    _outlaw wrote:
    so you're choosing to take a chance that he might be saying all this just to get elected??

    you'd rather believe in some hope you're pulling out of nowhere, than go by facts from his history of voting and speeches?? seriously?

    and you're willing to risk handing over the presidency to some guy based on this "chance?"

    wow.

    do you have some sort of crystal ball or something...? tea leaves and spit, perhaps...? are you some sort of soothsayer...?

    maybe, just maybe, I'm ok with what he's saying, doing, or has done...

    how about that one...?

    all I know is, the other choices out there suck, in my humble opinion...

    Let's see: bush III, no thanks...

    Or some guy who's run 5 times, who's only platform is Corporations Suck...

    Yeah, I'm going to take my chances on someone who can draw a crowd of 200K in another country...

    Sorry...
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    my2hands wrote:
    let me ask you 2 questions... 2 honest questions... and please answer in your own words and dont quote anyone else or provide links... because i know about the report from about 4 years ago that said they shut down their weapons program... and please dont answer "well israel has nukes and we have nukes so whats the porblem"

    1. Do you believe that Iran truly has no interest in Nuclear weapon capablilties, and are being totally honest about their intentions that they are only in pursuit of nuclear energy and not weapons

    2. What do you think about a nuclear armed Iran? good thing, bad thing, or indifferent?

    The bottom line is do you think Iran is evil and wants to destroy the world like the pack of savage terrorist dogs they are made out to be, or do you think they are human beings like everyone else and can perhaps co-exist peacefully?

    So, do you believe the hype?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    The bottom line is do you think Iran is evil and wants to destroy the world like the pack of savage terrorist dogs they are made out to be, or do you think they are human beings like everyone else and can perhaps co-exist peacefully?

    So, do you believe the hype?

    interesting answer...

    you didn't answer the questions, but interesting...
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    inmytree wrote:
    do you have some sort of crystal ball or something...? tea leaves and spit, perhaps...? are you some sort of soothsayer...?

    maybe, just maybe, I'm ok with what he's saying, doing, or has done...
    that's fine. that's an entire other debate though. maybe you can answer my question then? how do you feel about obama's stance on Iran? do you agree/disagree? why/why not?
    all I know is, the other choices out there suck, in my humble opinion...

    Let's see: bush III, no thanks...

    Or some guy who's run 5 times, who's only platform is Corporations Suck...
    hmm... maybe if you took 10 minutes of your time to hear what Nader has to say, and I mean SERIOUSLY hear what he has to say, you'd be a bit more enlightened as to what his platform really is...
    Yeah, I'm going to take my chances on someone who can draw a crowd of 200K in another country...

    Sorry...
    no need to apologize. you're only one of many people willing to hand over the key to the white house to a guy preaching bullshit. :)
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    inmytree wrote:
    interesting answer...

    you didn't answer the questions, but interesting...


    I went one step ahead of them, and got to the crux.

    That's what it boils down to from what I can see. How many other countries in the world see Iran as being hostile towards them in the future would be another good question in the mix.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    my2hands wrote:
    1. Do you believe that Iran truly has no interest in Nuclear weapon capablilties, and are being totally honest about their intentions that they are only in pursuit of nuclear energy and not weapons

    2. What do you think about a nuclear armed Iran? good thing, bad thing, or indifferent?
    1. Innocent until proven guilty.

    2. I don't think it's good for any country to have nukes.
  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I thought Barak was supposedly different from "every leading politician" so to speak, and this was the main attraction from his avid supporters Vote for a change in policy they say...

    I'm just not seeing it.

    It's one step forward...one step back.

    This is so pathetic. Its like saying just because McCain likes beer, Obama has to hate beer or he doesn't stand for change. Somehow, they both can't like beer.

    This is just as dumb as the ad blaming Senator Obama for high prices in gas.

    At least Karl was cleaver, whomever is doing McCain's negative ads, suck bigtime. McCain supporters really stretch the bar to try and make people fall for this stupid shit.
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    puremagic wrote:
    This is so pathetic. Its like saying just because McCain likes beer, Obama has to hate beer or he doesn't stand for change. Somehow, they both can't like beer.

    This is just as dumb as the ad blaming Senator Obama for high prices in gas.

    At least Karl was cleaver, whomever is doing McCain's negative ads, suck bigtime. McCain supporters really stretch the bar to try and make people fall for this stupid shit.
    This makes no sense. First, no one here is a McCain supporter... second, the whole point is that Obama will bring a new change to many things, including foreign policy... so far, his platform has been the same as Bush's and McCain's... can you disprove that?
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    The funny thing is

    "The nuclear program of Iran was launched in the 1950s with the help of the United States as part of the Atoms for Peace program.[1] The support, encouragement and participation of the United States and Western European governments in Iran's nuclear program continued until the 1979 Islamic revolution that toppled the Shah of Iran.[2]"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    _outlaw wrote:
    that's fine. that's an entire other debate though. maybe you can answer my question then? how do you feel about obama's stance on Iran? do you agree/disagree? why/why not?

    I agree with his stance to talk to them without preconditions...because diplomacy is paramount...in fact, Iran and the US are sitting and talking now...just like Obama suggested...

    by the way, I have to ask, how do you know your boy is going to do what he says he's going to do...aren't you taking a chance..? can you predict the future...?
    _outlaw wrote:
    hmm... maybe if you took 10 minutes of your time to hear what Nader has to say, and I mean SERIOUSLY hear what he has to say, you'd be a bit more enlightened as to what his platform really is...

    I have taken 10 minutes and more...he's a one trick pony...sadly, you seem unwilling to understand that king ralph may not have much to offer...
    _outlaw wrote:
    no need to apologize. you're only one of many people willing to hand over the key to the white house to a guy preaching bullshit. :)

    thanks...
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    The funny thing is

    "The nuclear program of Iran was launched in the 1950s with the help of the United States as part of the Atoms for Peace program.[1] The support, encouragement and participation of the United States and Western European governments in Iran's nuclear program continued until the 1979 Islamic revolution that toppled the Shah of Iran.[2]"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran
    oh, of course. I don't know why anyone wouldn't realize that this isn't about Iran getting nukes... the U.S. KNOWS they aren't trying for nukes...
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    inmytree wrote:
    I agree with his stance to talk to them without preconditions...because diplomacy is paramount...in fact, Iran and the US are sitting and talking now...just like Obama suggested...
    the U.S. isn't "talking" to Iran because Obama suggested it... Obama is still not taking military option off the table, he still called Iran's LEGAL nuclear program "illegal", is pushing for tougher sanctions against them... seriously, what's the difference between his stance and Bush's??
    by the way, I have to ask, how do you know your boy is going to do what he says he's going to do...aren't you taking a chance..? can you predict the future...?
    because Nader's previous actions and speeches give him credibility.
    I have taken 10 minutes and more...he's a one trick pony...sadly, you seem unwilling to understand that king ralph may not have much to offer...
    I doubt you seriously listened to what he has to say...
    thanks...
    anytime :p
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    puremagic wrote:
    This is so pathetic. Its like saying just because McCain likes beer, Obama has to hate beer or he doesn't stand for change. Somehow, they both can't like beer.

    This is just as dumb as the ad blaming Senator Obama for high prices in gas.

    At least Karl was cleaver, whomever is doing McCain's negative ads, suck bigtime. McCain supporters really stretch the bar to try and make people fall for this stupid shit.


    This isn't about beer so much as it's about starting a war with a country over purposeful untruths...aka conscious lies.

    He called Iran's energy program Illegal, which is progressing the continuance of military aggression towards them which will only lead to additional conflicts.

    I
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    People need to snap out of the media bubble and get the historical facts, and really start thinking about situations for themselves instead of what they are told to know on TV.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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