Obama "Iran not a serious threat"

politicians flapping their gums...

unsung wrote:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/19/obama-mccain-feud-continues-over-us-policy-on-talking-to-despots/


Ok. Whatever. Appeaser.

Ahmadinejad has said that Israel should be blown off the map and that the Holocaust never existed. He stated gays did not exist in Iran and he is pursuing a nuclear bomb.

Yeah that guy isn't a threat.

First of all, context is important. Here's the full quote:

“Iran, Cuba, Venezuela — these countries are tiny compared to the Soviet Union. They don’t pose a serious threat to us the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us. And yet we were willing to talk to the Soviet Union at the time when they were saying we’re going to wipe you off the planet,” Obama told voters in Pendleton, Ore.

“You know, Iran, they spend one-one hundredth of what we spend on the military. If Iran ever tried to pose a serious threat to us, they wouldn’t stand a chance. And we should use that position of strength that we have to be bold enough to go ahead and listen,” he said

Secondly, go read this and tell me that the Bush administration hasn't been beating the war drum on Iran for years to make folks like yourself believe the threat is 'serious' and 'imminent.'

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=285005

US confession: Weapons were not made in Iran after all

CASMII Press Release

In a sharp reversal of its longstanding accusations against Iran arming militants in Iraq, the US military has made an unprecedented albeit quiet confession: the weapons they had recently found in Iraq were not made in Iran at all.

According to a report by the LA Times correspondent Tina Susman in Baghdad:

“A plan to show some alleged Iranian-supplied explosives to journalists last week in Karbala and then destroy them was canceled after the United States realized none of them was from Iran. A U.S. military spokesman attributed the confusion to a misunderstanding that emerged after an Iraqi Army general in Karbala erroneously reported the items were of Iranian origin. When U.S. explosives experts went to investigate, they discovered they were not Iranian after all.”

The US, which until two weeks ago had never provided any proof for its allegations, finally handed over its “evidence” of the Iranian origin of these weapons to the Iraqi government. Last week, an Iraqi delegation to Iran presented the US “evidence” to Iranian officials. According to Al-Abadi, a parliament member from the ruling United Iraqi Alliance who was on the delegation, the Iranian officials totally refuted “training, financing and arming” militant groups in Iraq. Consequently the Iraqi government announced that there is no hard evidence against Iran.

In another extraordinary event this week, the US spokesman in Iraq, Maj. Gen. Kevin Bergner, for the first time did not blame Iran for the violence in Iraq and in fact did not make any reference to Iran at all in his introductory remarks to the world media on Wednesday when he described the large arsenal of weapons found by Iraqi forces in Karbala.

In contrast, the Pentagon in August 2007 admitted that it had lost track of a third of the weapons distributed to the Iraqi security forces in 2004/2005. The 190,000 assault rifles and pistols roam free in Iraqi streets today.

In the past year, the US leaders have been relentless in propagating their charges of Iranian meddling and fomenting violence in Iraq and since the release of the key judgments of the US National Intelligence Estimate in December that Iran does not have a nuclear weaponisation programme, these accusations have sharply intensified.

The US charges of Iranian interference in Iraq too have now collapsed. Any threat of military strike against Iran is in violation of the UN charter and the IAEA’s continued supervision on Iran’s uranium enrichment facilities means there is no justification for sanctions.

CASMII calls on the US to change course and enter into comprehensive and unconditional negotiations with Iran.

For more information or to contact CASMII please visit http://www.campaigniran.org

It all depends on the political climate as to what will pop out of his mouth on any given day. I've posted plenty of hawkish-type sound bytes from Obama concerning Iran. Electioneering, plain and simple. Who knows what he actually thinks on the matter.

JD Sal wrote:

First of all, context is important. Here's the full quote:

“Iran, Cuba, Venezuela — these countries are tiny compared to the Soviet Union. They don’t pose a serious threat to us the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us. And yet we were willing to talk to the Soviet Union at the time when they were saying we’re going to wipe you off the planet,” Obama told voters in Pendleton, Ore.

“You know, Iran, they spend one-one hundredth of what we spend on the military. If Iran ever tried to pose a serious threat to us, they wouldn’t stand a chance. And we should use that position of strength that we have to be bold enough to go ahead and listen,” he said

Secondly, go read this and tell me that the Bush administration hasn't been beating the war drum on Iran for years to make folks like yourself believe the threat is 'serious' and 'imminent.'

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=285005

US confession: Weapons were not made in Iran after all

CASMII Press Release

In a sharp reversal of its longstanding accusations against Iran arming militants in Iraq, the US military has made an unprecedented albeit quiet confession: the weapons they had recently found in Iraq were not made in Iran at all.

According to a report by the LA Times correspondent Tina Susman in Baghdad:

“A plan to show some alleged Iranian-supplied explosives to journalists last week in Karbala and then destroy them was canceled after the United States realized none of them was from Iran. A U.S. military spokesman attributed the confusion to a misunderstanding that emerged after an Iraqi Army general in Karbala erroneously reported the items were of Iranian origin. When U.S. explosives experts went to investigate, they discovered they were not Iranian after all.”

The US, which until two weeks ago had never provided any proof for its allegations, finally handed over its “evidence” of the Iranian origin of these weapons to the Iraqi government. Last week, an Iraqi delegation to Iran presented the US “evidence” to Iranian officials. According to Al-Abadi, a parliament member from the ruling United Iraqi Alliance who was on the delegation, the Iranian officials totally refuted “training, financing and arming” militant groups in Iraq. Consequently the Iraqi government announced that there is no hard evidence against Iran.

In another extraordinary event this week, the US spokesman in Iraq, Maj. Gen. Kevin Bergner, for the first time did not blame Iran for the violence in Iraq and in fact did not make any reference to Iran at all in his introductory remarks to the world media on Wednesday when he described the large arsenal of weapons found by Iraqi forces in Karbala.

In contrast, the Pentagon in August 2007 admitted that it had lost track of a third of the weapons distributed to the Iraqi security forces in 2004/2005. The 190,000 assault rifles and pistols roam free in Iraqi streets today.

In the past year, the US leaders have been relentless in propagating their charges of Iranian meddling and fomenting violence in Iraq and since the release of the key judgments of the US National Intelligence Estimate in December that Iran does not have a nuclear weaponisation programme, these accusations have sharply intensified.

The US charges of Iranian interference in Iraq too have now collapsed. Any threat of military strike against Iran is in violation of the UN charter and the IAEA’s continued supervision on Iran’s uranium enrichment facilities means there is no justification for sanctions.

CASMII calls on the US to change course and enter into comprehensive and unconditional negotiations with Iran.

For more information or to contact CASMII please visit http://www.campaigniran.org

Something else that this administration and the media never point out is that the majority of foreign fighters in Iraq are Saudies and that a good portion of funds provided to the Sunni insurgents comes from, or through, Saudi Arabia. The media fails to pint out that Saudi Arabia has a small, and severely oppressed Shi'ite minority and the royal family will do what it takes to make sure that another Shi'ite run counry does not develop in their backyard.

Cosmo wrote:

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The thing I always find a bit confusing... How Americans so easily dis-believe things Americans say... yet... consider the words of a guy like that nutcase in Iran as the gospel truth.
Why is that?

Because we all know how full of shit we actually are and live with it everyday.

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

brb2?

You're so twisted. Although both are equally embarrassing.

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

I'm always confused at how it's mostly the Americans who grandstand about military might and being the last standing superpower that get all riled up about labelling other leaders "threats". Politicians flip-flop and appease to match the trends of their voters - if Obama doesn't consider Ahmadinejad a threat, it's because he's basically been told not to.

Exactly!

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

brb2?

I'm always confused at how it's mostly the Americans who grandstand about military might and being the last standing superpower that get all riled up about labelling other leaders "threats". Politicians flip-flop and appease to match the trends of their voters - if Obama doesn't consider Ahmadinejad a threat, it's because he's basically been told not to.

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My thoughts, too.
Why is Iran considered a threat to us? And if you notice... Israel is ALWAYS brought up in the debate. Well, guess what? Isreal isn't a pussy. They are some tough bastards over there... their fighter pilots are arguebly the best combat fighter pilots in the world today. And they have nukes... and delivery systems (tested delivery systems)... early warning launch detection and sophisticated airborne warning systems. In other words... Israel is capable of taking care of themselves. How does a little puke like that Ahcemennigitissdad threaten a nation... that can nuke his punk ass? And why do so many Americans place so much credibility with that little shithead?

unsung wrote:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/19/obama-mccain-feud-continues-over-us-policy-on-talking-to-despots/


Ok. Whatever. Appeaser.

Ahmadinejad has said that Israel should be blown off the map and that the Holocaust never existed. He stated gays did not exist in Iran and he is pursuing a nuclear bomb.

Yeah that guy isn't a threat.

Yeah we should start another war with this country over words. They have no nuclear weapons and USSR did at one time and we didn't start a war with them back in the 60's. So why become another bully in another country just to control this region?

Peace

JD Sal wrote:

First of all, context is important. Here's the full quote:

“Iran, Cuba, Venezuela — these countries are tiny compared to the Soviet Union. They don’t pose a serious threat to us the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us. And yet we were willing to talk to the Soviet Union at the time when they were saying we’re going to wipe you off the planet,” Obama told voters in Pendleton, Ore.

“You know, Iran, they spend one-one hundredth of what we spend on the military. If Iran ever tried to pose a serious threat to us, they wouldn’t stand a chance. And we should use that position of strength that we have to be bold enough to go ahead and listen,” he said

Secondly, go read this and tell me that the Bush administration hasn't been beating the war drum on Iran for years to make folks like yourself believe the threat is 'serious' and 'imminent.'

I'll have to hand it to Obama, talk like this is pretty accurate, and will probably get him elected.

I just wish he had more of the big picture, and more balls.

blackredyellow wrote:

The whole "appeaser" thing is a joke. And it would be outright hilarious if there weren't so many people gullible enough to believe it and repeat it over and over and over again.

5 bucks says the OP has no clue what it really means...;)

I bet a conversation would go something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbvMdHoOrQQ&feature=related