Obama not sure if he's CFR member...denies SPP/NAU, says it was cooked up by bloggers

my2hands · November 2008

*yawn

seriously guys, you have to be able to do better then this...

RolandTD20Kdrummer · November 2008

my2hands wrote:

*yawn

seriously guys, you have to be able to do better then this...

Ok. Explain to me how he didn't lie to people on this.

This is actually pretty serious. This was not something "ginned up by bloggers".

He should have just admitted he has no clue. That much is pretty damn obvious.

jimed14 · November 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Yes it was extremely similar to that map, actually (figured I'd Google it) It was this one:

http://www.eagleforum.org/topics/NAU/gif/Nafta-Map-Big.jpg

used to be loud and proud on their page, NASCO.... it's all coming back now.

I don't get people....don't knock the messiah.... People gave Bush a free pass, look what happened....he destroyed the country in under 8 years.

Hey! Let's do that all over again....wheeee!!

Oversight is for crazy, suspicious, paranoid, conspiracy people. Life's existence as we know it from A - Z could be going under the knife for open heart surgery to suit greedy corporate interests??? Bah...who cares...let em talk....it's perfectly harmless.

....kinda blows my mind really.

It has NOTHING to do with not knocking the "messiah" ... but the fact you call him that tells me just what your intentions and feelings are.

When that thread about manditory service was up ... we was in their bitching just like you ... about HRC's potential naming as SoS, there are several Obama supporters who disapprove.

But, you cry wolf at every single potential conspiracy theory.

You seem like a smart guy, certianly well read ... you have to realize, if you bitch at every .... little ... thing ... your voice is not going to be heard or taken seriously.

The fact Obama stumbled on one word ... "union" ... during a question you posted ... you have him secretly letting go of our sovereignty, printing a new currency, dropping our borders and renaming us Amerimexida ... but, aside form that one, small pause ... you have nothing, that's all you have presented.

Well, that, and insults like "they are just following the messiah" ...

angelica · November 2008

jimed14 wrote:

The fact Obama stumbled on one word ... "union" ... during a question you posted ... you have him secretly letting go of our sovereignty, printing a new currency, dropping our borders and remaming us Amerimexida ... but, aside form that one, small pause ... you have nothing, that's all you have presented.

...

With all due respect, you are misunderstanding what Roland is saying.

jimed14 · November 2008

angelica wrote:

With all due respect, you are misunderstanding what Roland is saying.

he's saying that becuase Obama stumbled on one word ... he's lying to us ...

a fucking stumble ... something every single Obama hater makes fun of him for ...

one stumble ... and it's 100% proof he is lying to us.

that's what he's saying ... and he's wrong.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · November 2008

jimed14 wrote:

It has NOTHING to do with not knocking the "messiah" ... but the fact you call him that tells me just what your intentions and feelings are.

When that thread about manditory service was up ... we was in their bitching just like you ... about HRC's potential naming as SoS, there are several Obama supporters who disapprove.

But, you cry wolf at every single potential conspiracy theory.

You seem like a smart guy, certianly well read ... you have to realize, if you bitch at every .... little ... thing ... your voice is not going to be heard or taken seriously.

The fact Obama stumbled on one word ... "union" ... during a question you posted ... you have him secretly letting go of our sovereignty, printing a new currency, dropping our borders and renaming us Amerimexida ... but, aside form that one, small pause ... you have nothing, that's all you have presented.

Well, that, and insults like "they are just following the messiah" ...

Ok....Explain to me how this was all according to Obama merely "ginned up by bloggers"

It is what it is....and what it was. He is absolutely clueless about it, and highly misleading a group of people. It's also irresponsible. Where's the honesty?

There's no excuse this time. Sorry.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · November 2008

jimed14 wrote:

he's saying that becuase Obama stumbled on one word ... he's lying to us ...

a fucking stumble ... something every single Obama hater makes fun of him for ...

one stumble ... and it's 100% proof he is lying to us.

that's what he's saying ... and he's wrong.

nope try again...

RolandTD20Kdrummer · November 2008

The only concession that can be reached here is he's absolutely clueless on the SPP/NAU agreement.

I think he should realize that, be honest, and say that he needs to seriously look into into it instead of just pretending to, and deeming nonsense as fact.

But no.... somehow it was merely "cooked up by bloggers" and it's nothing really. tut...tut...

So where is he getting this ridiculous misinformation from?

jimed14 · November 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Ok....Explain to me how this was all according to Obama merely "ginned up by bloggers"

It is what it is....and what it was. He is absolutely clueless about it, and highly misleading a group of people. It's also irresponsible. Where's the honesty?

There's no excuse this time. Sorry.

so, he has heard about it, he siad he heard Paul talk about it... he didn't deny it ... what part of that didn't you hear?

Ginned up ... not created by bloggers, but blown out of proportion ... which, certianly appears to be the case based on the reports you pointed me to ... and the fact, years later ... there's nothing relavent to report.

When I asked if anything recent has come up, even YOU said it's all died down and there is nothing being discussed.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · November 2008

jimed14 wrote:

so, he has heard about it, he siad he heard Paul talk about it... he didn't deny it ... what part of that didn't you hear?

Ginned up ... not created by bloggers, but blown out of proportion ... which, certianly appears to be the case based on the reports you pointed me to ... and the fact, years later ... there's nothing relavent to report.

When I asked if anything recent has come up, even YOU said it's all died down and there is nothing being discussed.

Has been toned down in the media...not in the back rooms for discussion. There was/is over 20 cross border committees working on this program.

Ginned...cooked ...same thing. Semantics.

100% clueless of the factual details, and misleading people.

Take a good look, that's what misinformation looks like.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · November 2008

So....deep integration.

off the top of my head:

Canadian military affected by US influence...check.
Canadian Drivers licenses being forced to become Americanized....check
Attempt to influence exports Canadian natural resources to the US...check
Mexican security infrastructure more Americanized...check.
Canadian seciruty infrastructure more Americanized...check

"Since March 2005, the Harper government has been advancing the SPP agenda through administrative changes and budgetary measures. Despite the absence of major announcements, several departments have quietly committed to regulatory changes including the harmonization of trade rules and security practices. This incremental approach operates under the radar screen of public scrutiny because the Conservative government knows that Canadians would reject a major agreement that laid out the entire strategy. Cross border working groups have been initiated in many sectors including manufacturing, shipping, transportation, energy, telecommunications, health and the environment, financial services, business development and agriculture. SPP proponents argue that there is no alternative to the SPP."

"Is the government investing in the SPP?
Yes. The federal government has made major investments in border security and infrastructure that paves the way to continental integration with the US and Mexico. In Budget 2007, the Conservatives allocated billions of taxpayer dollars to the construction of multi-modal corridors that will move an ever-increasing share of our resource wealth south of the border.

From Budget 2007:

* $2.1 billion for the national fund for gateways and border crossings.
* $1.26 billion for public-private partnerships including border development.
* $2.275 billion for national priorities including trade-related infrastructure."

So far I can see no evidence whatsoever of it going on....

http://www.greenparty.ca/en/policy/spp_FAQ#7.

nice try guys though...some pretty hilarious and troubling excuses all around. I like the I don't know anything about it, but I know you're wrong because Obama excuse.....overall 6/10

PJ_Saluki · November 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

So....deep integration.

off the top of my head:

Canadian military affected by US influence...check.
Canadian Drivers licenses being forced to become Americanized....check
Attempt to influence exports Canadian natural resources to the US...check
Mexican security infrastructure more Americanized...check.
Canadian seciruty infrastructure more Americanized...check

"Since March 2005, the Harper government has been advancing the SPP agenda through administrative changes and budgetary measures. Despite the absence of major announcements, several departments have quietly committed to regulatory changes including the harmonization of trade rules and security practices. This incremental approach operates under the radar screen of public scrutiny because the Conservative government knows that Canadians would reject a major agreement that laid out the entire strategy. Cross border working groups have been initiated in many sectors including manufacturing, shipping, transportation, energy, telecommunications, health and the environment, financial services, business development and agriculture. SPP proponents argue that there is no alternative to the SPP."

"Is the government investing in the SPP?
Yes. The federal government has made major investments in border security and infrastructure that paves the way to continental integration with the US and Mexico. In Budget 2007, the Conservatives allocated billions of taxpayer dollars to the construction of multi-modal corridors that will move an ever-increasing share of our resource wealth south of the border.

From Budget 2007:

* $2.1 billion for the national fund for gateways and border crossings.
* $1.26 billion for public-private partnerships including border development.
* $2.275 billion for national priorities including trade-related infrastructure."

So far I can see no evidence whatsoever of it going on....

http://www.greenparty.ca/en/policy/spp_FAQ#7.

nice try guys though...some pretty hilarious and troubling excuses all around. I like the I don't know anything about it, but I know you're wrong because Obama excuse.....overall 6/10

Why don't you do something about it instead of bombarding MT with hyperlinks from Alex Jones, etc.?

RolandTD20Kdrummer · November 2008

PJ_Saluki wrote:

Why don't you do something about it instead of bombarding MT with hyperlinks from Alex Jones, etc.?

The green party of Canada is Alex Jones?

hmm....

really?

If you can show me two Alex Jones links, that I've posted in this month alone or even the past few months, I'll give you $100.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · November 2008

Sour grapes. I saw it I called it.

and I'm right.

Kann · November 2008

PJ_Saluki wrote:

Why don't you do something about it instead of bombarding MT with hyperlinks from Alex Jones, etc.?

Well raising awareness in a community is doing something, and if Roland posts in more than one board he is actually doing something relevant, he is making other people aware of his ideas. Unfortunately he is so radically convinced of what he says that he has become another black/white debater who leaves absolutely no place for discussion and ultimately fails in his attemps to actually make someone else consider his ideas and hence be more aware of what is happening in between the world's lines. But at least he does try.
(sorry for the use of 3rd person while you are in the thread - it served my point).

RolandTD20Kdrummer · November 2008

Kann wrote:

Well raising awareness in a community is doing something, and if Roland posts in more than one board he is actually doing something relevant, he is making other people aware of his ideas. Unfortunately he is so radically convinced of what he says that he has become another black/white debater who leaves absolutely no place for discussion and ultimately fails in his attemps to actually make someone else consider his ideas and hence be more aware of what is happening in between the world's lines. But at least he does try.
(sorry for the use of 3rd person while you are in the thread - it served my point).

It is somewhat of a lame argument, and assessment I agree. They call it the information highway for a reason. Unless I start holding town hall meetings, this medium far outweighs pounding the streets, and cold calling people. The internet can be used to reach thousands from one point of instance, while allowing time for the information flow to remain current and inbound. Very key.

Radical/black/white is somewhat a relative term according to the amount of information one has digested on the issue. After a while the picture becomes clearer and clearer once all the surrounding variables are understood. I would say very, very low percentages of Obama supporters actually understand how Israel plays in to all this Obama change rhetoric.

This guy makes some really candid points
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0D-WLu8Ws4

El_Kabong · November 2008

angelica wrote:

With all due respect, you are misunderstanding what Roland is saying.

obama in that clip makes me think of parts of black bush from chappelle's show

oil? what? who said something bout oil? bitch, you cookin?

Obama not sure if he's CFR member...denies SPP/NAU, says it was cooked up by bloggers

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