So. Obama's Chief of Staff -- Change?

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  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    aNiMaL wrote:
    Rahm is an American who was born in Chicago.

    You lost me on the rest of your post. I don;t know what MIC or FP is.

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1034635.html

    I'm not sure if he gave up his Israeli citizenship.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    aNiMaL wrote:
    Rahm is an American who was born in Chicago.

    You lost me on the rest of your post. I don;t know what MIC or FP is.

    With strong ties and deep rooted associations with hard right aspects of Israel. I'd go so far as to say that his American citizenship is no more than a piece of paper when it comes to agreeing on foreign policy (FP) and complying with the needs, and wants, of the MIC (Military Industrial Complex)
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    aNiMaL wrote:
    So, you want to throw out every politician out if they beleive and see Israel as an ally to the US?

    If they back Israel 100%, yes.

    One must also wonder why its good to support Israel like that, a country that has broken many UN resolutions, humans rights violations. Then from the other side of their mouth scream at Iran for its human rights violations.

    They refuse to be critical of the Apartheid state Israel, I mean would you want people in your admin, would you not worry if they were in support 100% of South Africa in the 60's and 70's (for example)

    and yes I will make the comparison. Desmind TuTu himself made the comparison and cited that in some cases Israel is even worse.
  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    MrBrian wrote:
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1034635.html

    I'm not sure if he gave up his Israeli citizenship.
    I didn't read that whole article. He was born in the USA, so if he had duel citizenship, the Israeli citizenship was not a natural one as he wasn't born there. He is a natural US citizen, just like Barack Obama and myself.
  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    MrBrian wrote:
    If they back Israel 100%, yes.

    One must also wonder why its good to support Israel like that, a country that has broken many UN resolutions, humans rights violations. Then from the other side of their mouth scream at Iran for its human rights violations.

    They refuse to be critical of the Apartheid state Israel, I mean would you want people in your admin, would you not worry if they were in support 100% of South Africa in the 60's and 70's (for example)

    and yes I will make the comparison. Desmind TuTu himself made the comparison and cited that in some cases Israel is even worse.
    I truly think that we would need to come up with a viable 3rd political party in the US to find politicians that do not view Israel as an ally.
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    aNiMaL wrote:
    I truly think that we would need to come up with a viable 3rd political party in the US to find politicians that do not view Israel as an ally.

    Zionism is deep within the American bloodstream. We need an entire Blood transfusion.

    People need to see that supporting Israel is not a positive, they are not friends now and never have been.

    It is scary to have leaders in such high positions say that they back Israel 100% and the average American thinks nothing of it. Infact if a peson does not back Israel 100% they are considered an anti-semite to some degree.

    Even to be critical of Israel is looked at in a bad way. Imagine, If Obama did not say that he supports Israel in whatever they do, how much he backs them and that this 'special relationship' will last forever, he would never of won.

    That my friend, is scary. That needs to be looked at.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    aNiMaL wrote:
    I didn't read that whole article. He was born in the USA, so if he had duel citizenship, the Israeli citizenship was not a natural one as he wasn't born there. He is a natural US citizen, just like Barack Obama and myself.


    I wouldn't refer to him as a "natural" or "normalized" US citizen.

    As per Wikipedia:

    "Emanuel has been described as a “strong Israel partisan”[25] and a “convinced Zionist” and “prominent figure in the US Jewish lobby.”[26] A strong supporter of AIPAC, he personally introduced fellow Chicagoan Barack Obama to the organization's directors during the 2008 presidential campaign."
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I wouldn't refer to him as a "natural" or "normalized" US citizen.

    As per Wikipedia:

    "Emanuel has been described as a “strong Israel partisan”[25] and a “convinced Zionist” and “prominent figure in the US Jewish lobby.”[26] A strong supporter of AIPAC, he personally introduced fellow Chicagoan Barack Obama to the organization's directors during the 2008 presidential campaign."
    Emanuel is a Natural-born US citizen. Are you disputing that?
  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    MrBrian wrote:
    Zionism is deep within the American bloodstream. We need an entire Blood transfusion.

    People need to see that supporting Israel is not a positive, they are not friends now and never have been.

    It is scary to have leaders in such high positions say that they back Israel 100% and the average American thinks nothing of it. Infact if a peson does not back Israel 100% they are considered an anti-semite to some degree.

    Even to be critical of Israel is looked at in a bad way. Imagine, If Obama did not say that he supports Israel in whatever they do, how much he backs them and that this 'special relationship' will last forever, he would never of won.

    That my friend, is scary. That needs to be looked at.
    I agree that our relationship with Israel need to be in question. However, I hope you are not insinuating that this is a partisan opinion, as both the right and the left recognize Israel as an ally. That's my point.
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    Yes I am aware of that,
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    MrBrian wrote:
    Zionism is deep within the American bloodstream. We need an entire Blood transfusion.

    People need to see that supporting Israel is not a positive, they are not friends now and never have been.

    It is scary to have leaders in such high positions say that they back Israel 100% and the average American thinks nothing of it. Infact if a peson does not back Israel 100% they are considered an anti-semite to some degree.

    Even to be critical of Israel is looked at in a bad way. Imagine, If Obama did not say that he supports Israel in whatever they do, how much he backs them and that this 'special relationship' will last forever, he would never of won.

    That my friend, is scary. That needs to be looked at.
    I agree with you, i didnt like to here about the 100% backing of Israel but i do believe that Obama is a politician who like all politicians will say things to get elected. From some things he has said in the past i think he will be the most pro-palestine president ever... check out this article http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8435
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    aNiMaL wrote:
    Emanuel is a Natural-born US citizen. Are you disputing that?

    I think who he is and what he does speaks far louder any piece of paper with letters on it.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I think who he is and what he does speaks far louder any piece of paper with letters on it.
    You keep insinuating that he is somehow un-American.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    aNiMaL wrote:
    You keep insinuating that he is somehow un-American.

    I believe his loyalties are far more geared to Israel than to America. This is readily apparent just by looking at who he is highly associated with, and how those groups think as well.

    First item on the list is to drop bombs on Iran. Obama's picked up the slack and has personally said he's all about ramping up the war on Afghanistan. Syria, and Pakistan are smoldering at the edges....enter Russia and missile shields.

    I'm just sitting here watching PNAC unfold, as people keep making excuses for everything under the sun....it's surreal.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    yield6 wrote:
    I agree with you, i didnt like to here about the 100% backing of Israel but i do believe that Obama is a politician who like all politicians will say things to get elected. From some things he has said in the past i think he will be the most pro-palestine president ever... check out this article http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8435

    Thats what I hoped for. I mean he had ties to the chicago palestinian community, he has his own diverse background.

    But when you factor in his continued views (so it seems) and his latest choice for chief of staff. The true reality starts to makes its way clear.

    All the hope in the world it seems, will not change the fact that the American stance on Israel will not change. Even if Obama were to show more respect for the people of Palestine, his strings will be pulled by the puppet masters to keep him dancing for it's Zionist audience.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Rahm Israel Emmanuel.

    no really....is this some kind of j0ke?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • Fighting Hellfish
    Fighting Hellfish Posts: 3,175
    quick, someone check with Joe The Plumber to see how this will effect the pending "Death To Israel"
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Milhouse VanHouten wrote:
    Emmanuel should be extremely suited to running the White House.

    I have no doubt about this. He will be the ultimate Chief of Staff.

    But this instantly turns Obama's "reaching across the isle" rhetoric bullshit. It also means change in Iraq specifically and the Middle East in general is nothing but empty rhetoric.

    People keep saying give Obama a chance, let's wait until he's in office. But his first critical decision looks to me like he put a partisan, hawkish, pro-Israel, Clinton rerun in power. Yay for change!
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    jeffbr wrote:
    I have no doubt about this. He will be the ultimate Chief of Staff.

    But this instantly turns Obama's "reaching across the isle" rhetoric bullshit. It also means change in Iraq specifically and the Middle East in general is nothing but empty rhetoric.

    People keep saying give Obama a chance, let's wait until he's in office. But his first critical decision looks to me like he put a partisan, hawkish, pro-Israel, Clinton rerun in power. Yay for change!

    What about Rahm's ideas regarding involuntary servitude?

    How does that strike you jeff?

    :cool:
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    What about Rahm's ideas regarding involuntary servitude?

    How does that strike you jeff?

    :cool:

    I chimed in on Mr. Brian's thread about that with a big "Fuck, no!"

    This pick defines Obama's strategy, and the culture that will be found in the White House. I think it was an astonishingly poor pick for the "unifier".
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08

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