John McCain's health care plan

Mrs.Vedder78 · October 2008

Pats54 wrote:

My biggest issue with this election when I see thess two Obama & McCain is wonder that this is the best we can do. Neither one of them instill much confidence. Obama scares the hell out of me. His ties with William Ayers and Wright speak to hi sjudgement. If McCain had ties with say Daivid Dukes he would have been railroaded from the campaign. Not matter how anyone spins Ayers there is a connection there. I would have felt better with Hillary in there plus I think she is smarter than Obama. My view of him is that he comes across as an arrogant prick. The type of person who who has no clue yet thinks they do. If Hillary had been the nominee this race would be over.

There was no genocide going on in Iraq? Didn't we find graves of people Hussien used gas on? A War for oil is the typical Dem talking point. Why is oil so high if it were a war for oil? There is no Greed on the Dem's side? Look at who the top contributors of Fannie & Freddie. Barney Frank's boy friend was a big exec with them. There is greed on both sides. I mean Charlie Rangel writes the fucking tax code and he doesn't know that he must report income from his vacation home in the Dominican. But we could go around on this type of shit all day long. Both parties are full of corrupt pols and pols who have the best of intentions.

I just don't think if Obam gets in and is bad that you will hear the same type of stuff people are saying today about Bush.

People like you are so weak-minded all you need is brainless Senator Palin quoting and misinterpreting the NY times article to start hammering on the Ayers connection, read your papers my friend, go to Google news and read some articles.. INFORM YOURSELF!!! Don't just repeat what you hear...

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h2TC1ztefVzOiXeCNcmY7lIelBNwD93K34700

and answer me one thing since you think that Senator Obama's plan is so fucked up and Senator McCain so brilliant, please tell me what my family of 5 and possible 6 as of next year, what will we do with $5,000 credit to get health insurance if my husband's employer dropped medical insurance... please tell me because I'd like to know.

jimed14 · October 2008

Pats54 wrote:

My biggest issue with this election when I see thess two Obama & McCain is wonder that this is the best we can do. Neither one of them instill much confidence. Obama scares the hell out of me. His ties with William Ayers and Wright speak to hi sjudgement. If McCain had ties with say Daivid Dukes he would have been railroaded from the campaign. Not matter how anyone spins Ayers there is a connection there. I would have felt better with Hillary in there plus I think she is smarter than Obama. My view of him is that he comes across as an arrogant prick. The type of person who who has no clue yet thinks they do. If Hillary had been the nominee this race would be over.

There was no genocide going on in Iraq? Didn't we find graves of people Hussien used gas on? A War for oil is the typical Dem talking point. Why is oil so high if it were a war for oil? There is no Greed on the Dem's side? Look at who the top contributors of Fannie & Freddie. Barney Frank's boy friend was a big exec with them. There is greed on both sides. I mean Charlie Rangel writes the fucking tax code and he doesn't know that he must report income from his vacation home in the Dominican. But we could go around on this type of shit all day long. Both parties are full of corrupt pols and pols who have the best of intentions.

I just don't think if Obam gets in and is bad that you will hear the same type of stuff people are saying today about Bush.

Do you work for Sean Hannity, or just Tivo all his shows?

RolandTD20Kdrummer · October 2008

If my car insurance can cover me for a million dollars for $1200 a year, why can't health insurance companies deliver?

Something just isn't adding up...apparently cars have far better comprehensive coverage than their human owners do for a fraction of the price.

fall by the wayside · October 2008

Pats54 wrote:

My biggest issue with this election when I see thess two Obama & McCain is wonder that this is the best we can do. Neither one of them instill much confidence. Obama scares the hell out of me. His ties with William Ayers and Wright speak to hi sjudgement. If McCain had ties with say Daivid Dukes he would have been railroaded from the campaign. Not matter how anyone spins Ayers there is a connection there. I would have felt better with Hillary in there plus I think she is smarter than Obama. My view of him is that he comes across as an arrogant prick. The type of person who who has no clue yet thinks they do. If Hillary had been the nominee this race would be over.

There was no genocide going on in Iraq? Didn't we find graves of people Hussien used gas on? A War for oil is the typical Dem talking point. Why is oil so high if it were a war for oil? There is no Greed on the Dem's side? Look at who the top contributors of Fannie & Freddie. Barney Frank's boy friend was a big exec with them. There is greed on both sides. I mean Charlie Rangel writes the fucking tax code and he doesn't know that he must report income from his vacation home in the Dominican. But we could go around on this type of shit all day long. Both parties are full of corrupt pols and pols who have the best of intentions.

I just don't think if Obam gets in and is bad that you will hear the same type of stuff people are saying today about Bush.

Obviously you didn't read my post if you think I blindly support the Dems. There is greed and corruption on both sides.

That being said, a war for oil isn't about lower prices for everyone. It is about controlling and influencing the countries where it is produced not for our country's advantage, but for our corporations advantage. High oil prices are great for oil guys like Bush and Cheney because oil companies make more money. That means their friends, family, advisors, and once they get out of office, themsleves. McCain is beholden to oil lobbyists, and Palin's husband works for an oil company.

This Ayers- Wright- whoever bullshit is Fox News fodder to scare people out of voting for Obama, because McCain is slipping.

Also, what did we go into Iraq for? To stop the gassing of Kurd's? Give me a fucking break. The rationale for this war has been changed and manipulated how many times? Thats what I thought.

I see that your content to keep giving the thieves the keys to the store and then bitching that no one else stopped them. Fine. Politics is a corrupt game. That is a given. That is no excuse to continue to bash only one side while complaining that the other side does the same thing.

_Crazy_Mary_ · October 2008

Brain of J.Lo wrote:

My family is insured through my husband's employer and it costs $700 a month. We have a $20 copay for our PCP and specialists, and $100 for ER visits. And our prescription plan sucks; we pay 50%.

My family spends about $600/year on health care. Granted, we are a very healthy bunch. Out of the 5 of us, we probably only have 4 visits to the dr. a year and that includes my yearly pap smear.
If McCain's plan would just give us the $5k, and not give it to the insurance companies, then I think we would be headed in the right direction.
If each of us took the $2500 or $5000 and put it into our own personal health savings account and cut out the insurance companies, we would all be in pretty good shape.

Pats54 · October 2008

jimed14 wrote:

Do you work for Sean Hannity, or just Tivo all his shows?

We can play this fucking game all day. Do you work for Keith Olberman?

jimed14 · October 2008

Pats54 wrote:

We can play this fucking game all day. Do you work for Keith Olberman?

ha ha ... look at the sources I site in this thread ... both Barack Obama's and John McCain's web sites ... indeed, I read, I do research, I come up with an ORIGINAL thought.

You? You are reciting Hannity's talking points pretty much verbatim. And are still trying to deflect away from the topic of the thread, healthcare ...

_Crazy_Mary_ · October 2008

1. Lawsuits that give the victims millions of dollars: This drives up the price of everybody's healthcare. The doctors have to pay a higher insurance premium and they get that money from us. I'm not saying that the guy who got the wrong leg amputated doesn't deserve some money for his pain & suffering, but does he need $25 million?!

2. Our hospitals are going broke because.... we will not turn anyone away: Illegal immigrants use our facilities and don't pay for any of the care they receive. So, once again, those of us who actually pay for medical services have to pay more to cover the cost of those who don't pay.

Will McCain's or Obama's healthcare plan address any of these issues?

TDMize15 · October 2008

_Crazy_Mary_ wrote:

1. Lawsuits that give the victims millions of dollars: This drives up the price of everybody's healthcare. The doctors have to pay a higher insurance premium and they get that money from us. I'm not saying that the guy who got the wrong leg amputated doesn't deserve some money for his pain & suffering, but does he need $25 million?!

2. Our hospitals are going broke because.... we will not turn anyone away: Illegal immigrants use our facilities and don't pay for any of the care they receive. So, once again, those of us who actually pay for medical services have to pay more to cover the cost of those who don't pay.

Will McCain's or Obama's healthcare plan address any of these issues?

McCain's immigration bill would address #2... you know the one he said he would veto if it came across his desk when he was president.

Dirtie_Frank · October 2008

Don't Know Myself wrote:

McCain's immigration bill would address #2... you know the one he said he would veto if it came across his desk when he was president.

So we should give illegal imagrants a free ride and to hell with the ones who wait in line?

_ · October 2008

scb wrote:

Will someone please explain to me how a tax credit will help those making such little money that they don't pay income tax? I'm no tax expert, but I thought a tax credit was a decrease in the amount of taxes you paid. So will poor people not get their $2,500, or am I confused?

Also, is this meant to cover only your portion of the premiums while your employer still pays their share? (In which case, you'd still lose your healthcare if you lost your job, right?) Or does this need to cover your portion AND your employer's portion? (i.e., is this meant to help those who don't have insurance through their employer?)

Also, what's to keep insurance companies from jacking up thier prices?

Anyone???

John McCain's health care plan

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