Do you know you're buying and eating certified Kosher food all the time?

jeffbr · May 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

nobody here seemed to know about it...

I've known what those symbols meant for years and years. I thought everyone did.

This is one of the more bizarre threads. It really is a stretch. It is one thing to try to create a conspiracy theory out of inuendo, factoids, and "secret documents". It is quite another thing to try to create a conspiracy theory out of transparent, well-known issues that have nothing to do with conspiracies. Your fear of all things Jewish has evidently clouded your judgement.

angelica · May 2008

decides2dream wrote:

btw - i don't see any agreement with your stance, and sounds to me like many DO know of the kosher symbols. i know i did. so i still fail to see your point.

c'est la vie.

I definitely see the validity of what Roland is saying. I had no idea about these symbols, myself.

I understand that people don't understand what Roland is saying. It seems pretty clear that some (or many) people are seeing their judgments of his intent, rather than understanding what he's saying.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · May 2008

decides2dream wrote:

obviously if you have NO IDEA what any of the symbols may mean, not exactly very effective advertsing is it? THAt is what i questioned, your choice of words. they are not "advertising"....they are simply marking foods for those who CARE to know, the food is kosher or not. i honestly cannot see a problem with it. this is not 'make believe'...this is making something an issue that is not. it does not change your food, the list of ingredients, what is IN the food, is clearly labeled. your food IS clearly and concisely labeled. some of it just may have further labeling to let those who care that it is ALSO certified kosher. end of story.

btw - i don't see any agreement with your stance, and sounds to me like many DO know of the kosher symbols. i know i did. so i still fail to see your point.

c'est la vie.

I care to know....agreements or not.

Say for example I am not religious, and I don't want my food blessed?

Do I have a choice?

no?

jeffbr · May 2008

decides2dream wrote:

i honestly cannot see a problem with it.

There's a reason for that. There's no problem to be seen.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · May 2008

jeffbr wrote:

I've known what those symbols meant for years and years. I thought everyone did.

This is one of the more bizarre threads. It really is a stretch. It is one thing to try to create a conspiracy theory out of inuendo, factoids, and "secret documents". It is quite another thing to try to create a conspiracy theory out of transparent, well-known issues that have nothing to do with conspiracies. Your fear of all things Jewish has evidently clouded your judgement.

I call B.S on that....

sorry.. You are not everyone.

RainDog · May 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I care to know....agreements or not.

Say for example I am not religious, and I don't want my food blessed?

Do I have a choice?

no?

Yes. Now that you've cracked this great secret that was never really all that secret, you do have a choice.

jeffbr · May 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I care to know....agreements or not.

Say for example I am not religious, and I don't want my food blessed?

Do I have a choice?

no?

What affect does the blessing have on you or on the nutrition of the food? As a non-believer in religion, it matters not to me if someone did a rain dance over the food, crossed themselves, lay prostrate and spoke in tongues to my food. Since I don't believe any of those things would have any impact on my food, it simply doesn't matter. If they start putting some sort of radioactive fairy dust into the food as part of the blessing process, then I have an issue, but saying some words, or keeping meat from touching dairy can't cause any negative reaction.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · May 2008

RainDog wrote:

Yes. Now that you've cracked this great secret that was never really all that secret, you do have a choice.

Shame I couldn't just look at the label at face value and make a determination like I should be able to as a consumer.

mammasan · May 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I care to know....agreements or not.

Say for example I am not religious, and I don't want my food blessed?

Do I have a choice?

no?

Then don't by products with the symbols on them. See how easy that was.

decides2dream · May 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I care to know....agreements or not.

Say for example I am not religious, and I don't want my food blessed?

Do I have a choice?

no?

well ok then. entirely different than what you said in the first post. you called it 'deceptive advertsing'...which it is NOT.

you do, don't buy kosher food. it DOES exist. as to being able to know if it's kosher, i guess they coud make the symbols bigger/clearer, but i would think most food producers think most consumers don't CARE. i think collin pointed out that you should write letters of complaint then. i agree. imo, if one isn't religious, i can't imagine caring that my food was 'blessed'...b/c it has no meaning for me. i would think that's exactly how food manufacturers/packagers look at it. consumers actually have to voice their opinions to be heard, no? personally, i still think it is totally a non-issue....but if you personally have a problem with your food being blessed, stop buying it and start letting manufacturers KNOW why you are no longer buying their product. EVERYthing else though is bunk imo...still no 'deceptive advertising.'

RolandTD20Kdrummer · May 2008

jeffbr wrote:

What affect does the blessing have on you or on the nutrition of the food? As a non-believer in religion, it matters not to me if someone did a rain dance over the food, crossed themselves, lay prostrate and spoke in tongues to my food. Since I don't believe any of those things would have any impact on my food, it simply doesn't matter. If they start putting some sort of radioactive fairy dust into the food as part of the blessing process, then I have an issue, but saying some words, or keeping meat from touching dairy can't cause any negative reaction.

Right, so what difference does it make....print it so everyone can understand it.

RainDog · May 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Shame I couldn't just look at the label at face value and make a determination like I should be able to as a consumer.

So you want that government bureaucracy, then?

decides2dream · May 2008

angelica wrote:

I definitely see the validity of what Roland is saying. I had no idea about these symbols, myself.

I understand that people don't understand what Roland is saying. It seems pretty clear that some (or many) people are seeing their judgments of his intent, rather than understanding what he's saying.

well that's good for you.

i DO see what roland is saying, no judgements....and all i can say is i persoanlly see it as a non-issue. if HE sees it as an issue, he does have a choice. don't buy the products. he asked opinions, and we all have decided to participate. if others see further into his reasons for asking, i don't. i personally do not know roland's history of posts, nor do i care. i try and take each thread topic as they come, and makes no difference to me who starts em or their personal reasons for posting em.

bottomline....calling it deceptive advertising is just plain false, no matter HOW one looks at the issue.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · May 2008

decides2dream wrote:

well ok then. entirely different than what you said in the first post. you called it 'deceptive advertsing'...which it is NOT.

you do, don't buy kosher food. it DOES exist. as to being able to know if it's kosher, i guess they coud make the symbols bigger/clearer, but i would think most food producers think most consumers don't CARE. i think collin pointed out that you should write letters of complaint then. i agree. imo, if one isn't religious, i can't imagine caring that my food was 'blessed'...b/c it has no meaning for me. i would think that's exactly how food manufacturers/packagers look at it. consumers actually have to voice their opinions to be heard, no? personally, i still think it is totally a non-issue....but if you personally have a problem with your food being blessed, stop buying it and start letting manufacturers KNOW why you are no longer buying their product. EVERYthing else though is bunk imo...still no 'deceptive advertising.'

Also what if people do not wish to support religious institutions of any kind financially unknowingly?

Some people may not wish to do that if they have a choice. Some don't go to church, or drop money in the collection plate. That reality exists.

What about peoples rights to be informed consumers according to their lifestyle choices?

decides2dream · May 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Right, so what difference does it make....print it so everyone can understand it.

again, take it up with the manufacturers. they are the ones who decide these things. again, i think they keep it small/discreet b/c they want their PRODUCT, and ingredients, their own logos, etc...to be the most visable and clear. i don't think they actually imagine anyone caring their food was blessed by a rabbi or prepared/packaged a particular way to accommodate jewish religious food needs. so they keep it small an innocuous, for those who DO care to look for and seek out. you have yet to offer a compelling reason WHY they should make it so 'obvious' that it is kosher...what purpose? just so people can 'know'....? that's it? why is it important when it in NO WAY changes the food, the ingredients, etc? what difference does it make except to those who it is religiously important?

decides2dream · May 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Also what if people do not wish to support religious institutions of any kind financially unknowingly?

Some people may not wish to do that if they have a choice. Some don't go to church, or drop money in the collection plate. That reality exists.

What about peoples rights to be informed consumers according to their lifestyle choices?

if you really think buying kosher does that......well then, be sure to avoid kosher foods.

i have never viewed buying kosher foods in such light, ever.

although at last, at least you have some 'compelling arguement'...finally. however, i know you said it's been hinted as such, but i have NOT ever seen/heard any evidence that in FACt ANY money supports the jews at ALL. a rabbi getting paid to bless food is not directly benefitting a religious organization, only benefitting the rabbi.

btw - just how MUCH info do you want these labels to contain? is *certified kosher* and the organization who does the certification enough? beyond that, people would have to be informed just WHAT kosher means, and/or something about the organization. kinda like how we actually have to KNOW what 'trans fats' are to actually give a shite if a product has em or not.

mammasan · May 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Also what if people do not wish to support religious institutions of any kind financially unknowingly?

Some people may not wish to do that if they have a choice. Some don't go to church, or drop money in the collection plate. That reality exists.

What about peoples rights to be informed consumers according to their lifestyle choices?

So do you have a problem with all symbols on food labels or just the kosher ones. I only ask because there are dozens of logos and symbols that are placed on our food labels that not everyone may know what they mean. So should all our foods come with a small brochure to help consumers identify what each and every symbol and logo represents.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · May 2008

decides2dream wrote:

again, take it up with the manufacturers. they are the ones who decide these things. again, i think they keep it small/discreet b/c they want their PRODUCT, and ingredients, their own logos, etc...to be the most visable and clear. i don't think they actually imagine anyone caring their food was blessed by a rabbi or prepared/packaged a particular way to accommodate jewish religious food needs. so they keep it small an innocuous, for those who DO care to look for and seek out. you have yet to offer a compelling reason WHY they should make it so 'obvious' that it is kosher...what purpose? just so people can 'know'....? that's it? why is it important when it in NO WAY changes the food, the ingredients, etc? what difference does it make except to those who it is religiously important?

It doesn't have to be "so obvious".... just understandable at face value.

I like to look at food labels and know what I'm looking at without resorting to looking it up on the internet, or calling people, or emailing them.

I guess I'm a bad person...

RolandTD20Kdrummer · May 2008

mammasan wrote:

So do you have a problem with all symbols on food labels or just the kosher ones. I only ask because there are dozens of logos and symbols that are placed on our food labels that not everyone may know what they mean. So should all our foods come with a small brochure to help consumers identify what each and every symbol and logo represents.

Give me examples.

RainDog · May 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Also what if people do not wish to support religious institutions of any kind financially unknowingly?

Some people may not wish to do that if they have a choice. Some don't go to church, or drop money in the collection plate. That reality exists.

What about peoples rights to be informed consumers according to their lifestyle choices?

Since information on all of these secret symbols is all easily obtained public information, no rights are being infringed upon. An "informed" consumer knows what they mean.

Do you know you're buying and eating certified Kosher food all the time?

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