Oh nice... Go Apartheid!!! It's Kosher to Kill Palestinians

El_Kabong wrote:

if the cops were chasing a serial killer and chased him into the mall then opened fire killing a lot of ppl who just happened to be at the mall, would you say they did the right thing?

i bet if the serial killer was running from the cops and he ran into a group of people in the mall, the people would out the serial killer or subdue him for the cops. This isn't happening.

Commy wrote:

Both sides are wrong in this conflict, violence gets them nowhere. Unfortunately Israel has been more aggressive in dealing with the palestinians than they have been with ISrael. and the numbers back that up.

The palestinian people are poor, oppressed, in a continuous police state and have to deal with checkpoints and fences. Israel could end this conflict at any time, a simple command for the army to stand down would do it.

So youve been to Isreal/Palestine?

chopitdown wrote:

it's not an either / or issue. It's an AND issue PERIOD. BOTH sides are doing wrong things; there's no way around it and until BOTH sides stop retaliating and BOTH sides quit playing the victim card, this will continue. Trying to justify eithers side "wrong" as more or less wrong is exactly what got people into this. It will never end.

well, yeah....i agree w/ that

chopitdown wrote:

i bet if the serial killer was running from the cops and he ran into a group of people in the mall, the people would out the serial killer or subdue him for the cops. This isn't happening.

really?? i think there's a slight chance of that happening, outside a will smith movie, but overall ppl don't stand up like that anymore these days.

a few quick examples
a little girl was held by her mom and sprayed w/ a pressure hose in a car wash and no one did anything to stop her

no one is doing anything about the palestinian situation, at least not in equal proportion to the level of support israel gets

i think both sides need to stop playing the victim role but i also think in some cases/times it is justified for either side but moreso the palestinians. i see the majority of their actions actually being reactions to several years of oppression and murder, being forcibly displaced, closed off....treated like dogs or less (didn't churchill say something similar but justified it?)

Hollyweird wrote:

Israel is a Democracy. Not a theocracy. "Rabbi's" whoever they may be dont make or execute military policy in Israel. Their government does and they would never intentionally target civillians. What should they do when people with automatic weapons and suicide bombs walk into their civillian centers and blow themselves up? Maybe it would be easier for you if they just all walked back into the gas chambers. Keep your Islamic propaganda to yourself.

from the israeli ministry of foreign affairs:
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-%20Obstacle%20to%20Peace/Palestinian%20terror%20since%202000/Suicide%20and%20Other%20Bombing%20Attacks%20in%20Israel%20Since

Suicide and Other Bombing Attacks in Israel Since the Declaration of Principles (Sept 1993)

2007: 1
2006: 3

and then 1 so far this year, and in one of those no one died. how many palestinains were killed in those years?

2007:
http://www.amnestyusa.org/annualreport.php?id=ar&yr=2007&c=ISR
More than 650 Palestinians, including some 120 children, and 27 Israelis were killed. Israeli forces carried out air and artillery bombardments in the Gaza Strip, and Israel continued to expand illegal settlements and to build a 700-km fence/wall on Palestinian land in the Occupied Territories. Military blockades and increased restrictions imposed by Israel on the movement of Palestinians and the confiscation by Israel of Palestinian customs duties caused a significant deterioration in living conditions for Palestinian inhabitants in the Occupied Territories, with poverty, food aid dependency, health problems and unemployment reaching crisis levels. Israeli soldiers and settlers committed serious human rights abuses, including unlawful killings, against Palestinians, mostly with impunity. Thousands of Palestinians were arrested by Israeli forces throughout the Occupied Territories on suspicion of security offences and hundreds were held in administrative detention. Israeli conscientious objectors continued to be imprisoned for refusing to serve in the army.



2006:
http://www.amnestyusa.org/annualreport.php?id=ar&yr=2006&c=ISR

However, it continued to build and expand illegal settlements and related infrastructure, including a 600km fence/wall, on Palestinian land in the occupied West Bank. Military blockades and restrictions imposed by Israel on the movement of Palestinians within the Occupied Territories continued to cause high unemployment and poverty among the Palestinian population. There was much less violence between Israelis and Palestinians, although attacks by both sides continued. Some 190 Palestinians, including around 50 children, were killed by Israeli forces, and 50 Israelis, including six children, were killed by Palestinian armed groups. Israeli forces carried out unlawful attacks and routinely used excessive force against peaceful demonstrators protesting against the destruction of Palestinian agricultural land and the Israeli army's construction of the fence/wall. Israeli settlers frequently attacked Palestinian farmers, destroying orchards and preventing cultivation of their land. Israeli soldiers and settlers responsible for unlawful killings and other abuses against Palestinians and their property generally had impunity. Thousands of Palestinians were arrested by Israeli forces throughout the Occupied Territories on suspicion of security offences. Israeli conscientious objectors continued to be imprisoned for refusing to serve in the army.


i think those figures speak for themselves

190:50 and 650:27

i don't see how paperplates can say this is apples and oranges and i don't see how you, or anyone, can honestly see this as simple self defense