Don't ask Bush to stimulate the economy

Abuskedti
Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
edited January 2008 in A Moving Train
He'll invade Iran
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    how do either have anything to do with each other? your threads are a joke
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Abuskedti wrote:
    He'll invade Iran

    lol...

    that's hilarious.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    jlew24asu wrote:
    how do either have anything to do with each other? your threads are a joke

    Uh.
    Seriously?

    You don't see where war is a major stimulus to CERTAIN sectors of our economy?

    Aren't you the one daily chiding me that "it's a stock pickers market" ?

    If MOST is going down,
    and we have a war,
    MORE will go UP.

    Energy and defense industry will boom boom boom.

    The oil sector alone is roughly TWENTY percent of GDP.
    Isn't the defense sector like 5% of GDP?

    Thats 25% more or less conservatively.

    Would a 150% boom in 25% of the GDP be enough to be considered "economic stimulus" ???

    Oh.
    AND they feed eachother ... check out out ... the energy sector makes out like a bandit selling oil to the DOD.
    Didn't we agree once that the military consumes at least around 15% of all US energy demand?
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    Uh.
    Seriously?

    You don't see where war is a major stimulus to CERTAIN sectors of our economy?

    Aren't you the one daily chiding me that "it's a stock pickers market" ?

    If MOST is going down,
    and we have a war,
    MORE will go UP.

    Energy and defense industry will boom boom boom.

    The oil sector alone is roughly TWENTY percent of GDP.
    Isn't the defense sector like 5% of GDP?

    Thats 25% more or less conservatively.

    Would a 150% boom in 25% of the GDP be enough to be considered "economic stimulus" ???

    Oh.
    AND they feed eachother ... check out out ... the energy sector makes out like a bandit selling oil to the DOD.
    Didn't we agree once that the military consumes at least around 15% of all US energy demand?

    you sure about the 25% number? seems rather high. regardless, a war with Iran would hurt the economy with all the additional spending (and borrowing) needed to fund it.
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    jlew24asu wrote:
    you sure about the 25% number? seems rather high. regardless, a war with Iran would hurt the economy with all the additional spending (and borrowing) needed to fund it.

    No.
    It would hurt the future generations and the (already lacking) solvency of our government.

    The overall short term economy would improve.

    Did the invasion of Iraq hurt or help "the economy" between 2003 and 2006?

    Look at your dow, s&p and nasdaq charts ...
    the war, combined with post 911 inflation drove nearly EVERYTHING up.

    Not down.

    Don't fool your self in to thinking it was just a normal rebound from a "correction" ... it was an engineered "retest" of what i think maybe an inherent limit to growth ... ie, we've hit a "top" ... :eek:
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    reminds me of pictures like this..

    http://www.ers.north-ayrshire.gov.uk/images/women_war.jpg


    Stimulates the economy, but unfortunately the bulk of the cash goes to the people that started it not back into the health of the country.

    Take...take take

    *collapse*
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    No.
    It would hurt the future generations and the (already lacking) solvency of our government.

    The overall short term economy would improve.

    Did the invasion of Iraq hurt or help "the economy" between 2003 and 2006?

    Look at your dow, s&p and nasdaq charts ...
    the war, combined with post 911 inflation drove nearly EVERYTHING up.

    Not down.

    Don't fool your self in to thinking it was just a normal rebound from a "correction" ... it was an engineered "retest" of what i think maybe an inherent limit to growth ... ie, we've hit a "top" ... :eek:


    record high home prices had nothing to do with Iraq. that is mostly what drove our economy up during those years. and it was all artificially created with loans that couldnt be paid back today.
  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    jlew24asu wrote:
    how do either have anything to do with each other? your threads are a joke

    http://iraqforsale.org/

    Watch and wake the fuck up...

    :rolleyes:
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    MasterFramer wrote:
    http://iraqforsale.org/

    Watch and wake the fuck up...

    :rolleyes:


    That was a good documentary.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    That was a good documentary.

    It's so scary how many of those CEOs have direct contacts with the Defense Department and Pentagon... fucking criminal actually.
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    jlew24asu wrote:
    record high home prices had nothing to do with Iraq. that is mostly what drove our economy up during those years. and it was all artificially created with loans that couldnt be paid back today.

    From whitehouse.gov:
    Since August 2003, more than 8.3 million jobs have been created, with more than 1.3 million jobs created throughout 2007. Our economy has now added jobs for 52 straight months – the longest period of uninterrupted job growth on record.

    That had nothing to do with home prices.
    A huge portion was monitary policy ... which is what ultimately is responible for the housing situation you speak of ... its not the banks fault that the government pushed more money at them than they legitimately knew what to do with. ;)

    Seriously Jlew, please read Creature from Jekyll Island so you can fathom the depth of the deprevity inherent in the system.

    The Fed\Bank monster is a hydra that works to CONTINUALY perpertuate the cycle of massive inflation and malinvestment, followed by a period of miserable collapse.

    But in the context of this discusison,
    lets just agree that the economy was engineered in to a boom by inflationary policy along with the industrial boom that war brings.
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    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    From whitehouse.gov:
    Since August 2003, more than 8.3 million jobs have been created, with more than 1.3 million jobs created throughout 2007. Our economy has now added jobs for 52 straight months – the longest period of uninterrupted job growth on record.

    That had nothing to do with home prices.
    A huge portion was monitary policy ... which is what ultimately is responible for the housing situation you speak of ... its not the banks fault that the government pushed more money at them than they legitimately knew what to do with. ;)

    Seriously Jlew, please read Creature from Jekyll Island so you can fathom the depth of the deprevity inherent in the system.

    The Fed\Bank monster is a hydra that works to CONTINUALY perpertuate the cycle of massive inflation and malinvestment, followed by a period of miserable collapse.

    But in the context of this discusison,
    lets just agree that the economy was engineered in to a boom by inflationary policy along with the industrial boom that war brings.


    but where were those jobs being created? remember there was a recession in 01. and it usually takes a few years (03-06) for those jobs to return. interesting timing to say the least.....

    eh, ok. I still blame the asshole lenders for all out LYING to people about subprime loans. and there are some people around here who have a hard on thinking bush is going to invade Iran which simply isnt true. all it is, is tough talk and posturing. the mighty US doesnt have the resources for 3 fucking wars at once.
  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    jlew24asu wrote:
    but where were those jobs being created? remember there was a recession in 01. and it usually takes a few years (03-06) for those jobs to return. interesting timing to say the least.....

    eh, ok. I still blame the asshole lenders for all out LYING to people about subprime loans. and there are some people around here who have a hard on thinking bush is going to invade Iran which simply isnt true. all it is, is tough talk and posturing. the mighty US doesnt have the resources for 3 fucking wars at once.

    Yeah we wont invade but launch a bunch of cruise missiles? Easy... you cant see that?
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Abuskedti wrote:
    He'll invade Iran


    You: Hey....how does a chicken cross the road?

    Bush: uuuhhhh.....bomb Iran??

    -

    Bush: Knock knock

    You: Who's there?

    Bush: Bomb Iran!.. eh eh eh..

    -

    You: What came first the chicken of the egg?

    Bush: Bomb Iran?

    -

    You: How many chimps does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

    Bush: Oh that ones easy....bomb Iran...

    :D
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    MasterFramer wrote:
    Yeah we wont invade but launch a bunch of cruise missiles? Easy... you cant see that?

    at some remote nuke sites that hopefully would be proven nuke sites for the world to see....? ok so? thats a million times different then an invasion.
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Don't ask Hillary to do it.

    She couldn't even stimulate Bill.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    jlew24asu wrote:
    at some remote nuke sites that hopefully would be proven nuke sites for the world to see....? ok so? thats a million times different then an invasion.

    Yeah at some guesstimate targets that we have 4 year old "intelligence" on...
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    You: Hey....how does a chicken cross the road?

    Bush: uuuhhhh.....bomb Iran??

    -

    Bush: Knock knock

    You: Who's there?

    Bush: Bomb Iran!.. eh eh eh..

    -

    You: What came first the chicken of the egg?

    Bush: Bomb Iran?

    -

    You: How many chimps does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

    Bush: Oh that ones easy....bomb Iran...

    :D

    You mean, like the Beach Boys song?

    :D:D:D
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    MasterFramer wrote:
    Yeah at some guesstimate targets that we have 4 year old "intelligence" on...

    well I think we are both hoping it doesnt come to any bombing.
  • MasterFramer
    MasterFramer Posts: 2,268
    jlew24asu wrote:
    well I think we are both hoping it doesnt come to any bombing.

    agreed...
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