I'm Going To Stop You There, Mr. Galloway
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10 easy steps to create an enemy and start a war: Listen closely because we will all see this weapon used in our lives. It can be used on a society of the most ignorant to the most highly educated. We need to see their tactics as a weapon against humanity and not as truth.
First step: create the enemy. Sometimes this will be done for you.
Second step: be sure the enemy you have chosen is nothing like you. Find obvious differences like race, language, religion, dietary habits fashion. Emphasize that their soldiers are not doing a job, they are heatless murderers who enjoy killing!
Third step: Once these differences are established continue to reinforce them with all disseminated information. This can be done through state run media. Remember, in times of conflict all for-profit media repeats the ruling party's information. Therefore all for-profit media becomes state-run.
Fifth step: show this enemy in actions that seem strange, militant, or different. Always portray the enemy as non-human, evil, a killing machine.
Chorus:
THIS IS HOW TO CREATE AN ENEMY. THIS IS HOW TO START A WAR. THIS IS HOW TO CREATE AN ENEMY.
Sixth step: Eliminate opposition to the ruling party. Create an "Us versus Them" mentality. Leave no room for opinions in between. One that does not support all actions of the ruling party should be considered a traitor.
Seventh step: Use nationalistic and/or religious symbols and rhetoric to define all actions. This can be achieved by slogans such as "freedom loving people versus those who hate freedom." This can also be achieved by the use of flags.
Eighth step: Align all actions with the dominant deity. It is very effective to use terms like, "It is god's will" or "god bless our nation."
Ninth step: Design propaganda to show that your soldiers have feelings, hopes, families, and loved ones. Make it cleat that your soldiers are doing a duty; they do not want or like to kill.
Tenth step: Create and atmosphere of fear, and instability and then offer the ruling party as the only solutions to comfort the public's fears. Remembering the fear of the unknown is always the strongest fear.
Chorus (repeat)
We are not countries. We are not nations. We are not religions. We are not gods. We are not weapons. We are not ammunition. We are not killers. We will NOT be tools.
^That's from Anti-Flag, a great band. It's really a good summary of the post above concerning 1984... Really, if youy don't have the time to read 1984, just listen to this song, "Anatomy Of Your Enemy."0 -
don't gimme no wrote:Well I imagine viewing people as less than equal is the only way you conservatives can live with killing them.
Im not a conservative but I certainly look at terrorists groups such as Hezbollah as less than equal. I dont agree with the bombing of civilians on either side, but I certainly have no sympathy for any of the Hezbollah fighters.0 -
jsand wrote:How can you possibly say that "they are fighting for their security and freedom from oppression?"
Because they are. It's fact.
Now if you want to call them mindless killing machines, that's your business - but it doesn't give you any further credit, and it doesn't distinguish your own claims from their own, then...
How can you justify the opposition?
Either Israel, or Lebanon?
That justification is the fuel that drives the opposition. When you support one side in favor of the other, then the unpopular side is more likely to resist.
Resistance is an animal trait, we've had it for a long time, for our survival, for our humanity to withstand the cultural interrogation of fascism and fundamentalism.
You can't kill it with justification.
F'ing great book - "The Descent Of Man," one of Darwin's lesser known:
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/charles_darwin/descent_of_man/chapter_05.html0 -
dg1979us wrote:Im not a conservative but I certainly look at terrorists groups such as Hezbollah as less than equal. I dont agree with the bombing of civilians on either side, but I certainly have no sympathy for any of the Hezbollah fighters.
THEN HOW DO YOU ENLIST SYMPATHY FOR ISRAEL????
THE IDF - THEY'RE IN THE WRONG HERE - FAR MORESO THAN HEZBOLLAH!
I think I just broke a sprocket... *sigh*
Please don't say you've heard nothing of the many atrocities Israel has committed recently...0 -
Infinity_Now wrote:Because they are. It's fact.
Now if you want to call them mindless killing machines, that's your business - but it doesn't give you any further credit, and it doesn't distinguish your own claims from their own, then...
How can you justify the opposition?
Either Israel, or Lebanon?
That justification is the fuel that drives the opposition. When you support one side in favor of the other, then the unpopular side is more likely to resist.
Resistance is an animal trait, we've had it for a long time, for our survival, for our humanity to withstand the cultural interrogation of fascism and fundamentalism.
You can't kill it with justification.
F'ing great book - "The Descent Of Man," one of Darwin's lesser known:
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/charles_darwin/descent_of_man/chapter_05.html
How is Hizbollah or Iran oppressed? Hizbollah has a political wing that operates in the Lebanese govt. and the terrorists faction more or less acts on their accord because they are militarily stronger than the Lebanese army. The people of Iran may be oppressed, but it would be their own government oppressing them, not Israel.0 -
Infinity_Now wrote:THEN HOW DO YOU ENLIST SYMPATHY FOR ISRAEL????
THE IDF - THEY'RE IN THE WRONG HERE - FAR MORESO THAN HEZBOLLAH!
I think I just broke a sprocket... *sigh*
Please don't say you've heard nothing of the many atrocities Israel has committed recently...
I dont recall ever mentioning Israel in that post, so what the hell are you talking about???? I said I dont agree with the killing of civilians on either side, which would obviously mean I dont approve of Israel bombing civilian neighborhoods. Im sorry if you broke a socket, but dont put words in my mouth and maybe youll be ok next time.0 -
dg1979us wrote:I dont recall ever mentioning Israel in that post, so what the hell are you talking about???? I said I dont agree with the killing of civilians on either side, which would obviously mean I dont approve of Israel bombing civilian neighborhoods. Im sorry if you broke a socket, but dont put words in my mouth and maybe youll be ok next time.
Ah, all apologies...0 -
dg1979us wrote:How is Hizbollah or Iran oppressed?
Hezbollah are defending their land from Israeli invasion. That's oppresion. I don't see where Iran comes into this...dg1979us wrote:Hizbollah has a political wing that operates in the Lebanese govt. And the terrorists faction more or less acts on their accord because they are militarily stronger than the Lebanese army.
Lebanon is being oppresed by Israel. Israeli invasion caused Hezbollah into existance. Hezbollah wouldn't have taken over control of the Lebanese government if Israel hadn't acted first - Hezbollah wouldn't even exist if Israel never invaded in the first place. Hence - it's Israel's fault.dg1979us wrote:The people of Iran may be oppressed, but it would be their own government oppressing them, not Israel.
The people of Iran... yikes, there's a situation I'd rather not get into. They're all fucked more or less... Iran is a nice microcosm of the whole Middle Eastern conflict, very complicated though. Fundamental religions, religious intolerance, dictatorship, oligarchy, consent of the willful and consent of the ignorant... hey wait - it's just like America(s)!
...I don't think a nation can oppress itself. Nations exist with citizens consent. There is a whole lot of Orwellian doublethink at play, of course - but by and large, citizens can overthrow their own government. Even if they don't know it, citizens of oppressive governments are consenting to that oppression just by being a citizen of that government.
So I say free all peoples of nations... invent something new, something more honest and indiscriminate.0 -
Infinity_Now wrote:Hezbollah are defending their land from Israeli invasion. That's oppresion. I don't see where Iran comes into this...quote]
Hezbollah has no land, they arent a nation. They are a terrorist organization funded and armed largely by Iran, to operate within Lebanon's borders. Even Lebanon was trying to jockey support so that there army could remove Hezbollah, because Lebanon as a country, is getting blown to bits because of the actions of a terrorist group operating within its borders, and the response Israel had towards that group. Whether you agree with Israel's actions or not, Hezbollah is certainly not innocent in this situation. Indescriminately launching missles across your border into civilian neighborhoods is not something to be applauded or something that deserves sympathy.0 -
dg1979us wrote:Infinity_Now wrote:Hezbollah are defending their land from Israeli invasion. That's oppresion. I don't see where Iran comes into this...quote]
Hezbollah has no land, they arent a nation. They are a terrorist organization funded and armed largely by Iran, to operate within Lebanon's borders. Even Lebanon was trying to jockey support so that there army could remove Hezbollah, because Lebanon as a country, is getting blown to bits because of the actions of a terrorist group operating within its borders, and the response Israel had towards that group. Whether you agree with Israel's actions or not, Hezbollah is certainly not innocent in this situation. Indescriminately launching missles across your border into civilian neighborhoods is not something to be applauded or something that deserves sympathy.
*Tip o the hat*
I concur.
But - ...Israel really really really, really really sucks.
Not Jews! Jews don't suck! - Israel, the government, the IDF, the criminals - they suck. I want to make it clear, I do disagree with both Hezbollah and Israel's actions - they're both masters of war in their own way...0 -
Infinity_Now wrote:dg1979us wrote:
*Tip o the hat*
I concur.
But - ...Israel really really really, really really sucks.
Not Jews! Jews don't suck! - Israel, the government, the IDF, the criminals - they suck. I want to make it clear, I do disagree with both Hezbollah and Israel's actions - they're both masters of war in their own way...
My overly simplified take on it is this. Any nation has a right to defend themselves when another nation, or group, is constantly launching missles at that nation. The difference in this situation, is that Israel is trying to defend themselves from a terrorist group in another country, instead of that country, which makes it difficult to fight. I do think Israel has gone a overboard, because their reaction is more or less destroying the infrastructure of the entire nation, and has actually garnered more support for Hezbollah. I wish that Israel would take a step back, and figure out a way to destroy Hezbollah, while at the same time causing little destruction and death to Lebanon. Thats obviously difficult to do since Hezbollah operates within a lot Lebanon, but at the same time it isnt fair to the Lebonese who arent associated with Hezbollah to face the Israeli wrath. On the other side, its not fair for Israeli's to have to deal with Hezbollah's missles either.0 -
dg1979us wrote:Infinity_Now wrote:
My overly simplified take on it is this. Any nation has a right to defend themselves when another nation, or group, is constantly launching missles at that nation. The difference in this situation, is that Israel is trying to defend themselves from a terrorist group in another country, instead of that country, which makes it difficult to fight. I do think Israel has gone a overboard, because their reaction is more or less destroying the infrastructure of the entire nation, and has actually garnered more support for Hezbollah. I wish that Israel would take a step back, and figure out a way to destroy Hezbollah, while at the same time causing little destruction and death to Lebanon. Thats obviously difficult to do since Hezbollah operates within a lot Lebanon, but at the same time it isnt fair to the Lebonese who arent associated with Hezbollah to face the Israeli wrath. On the other side, its not fair for Israeli's to have to deal with Hezbollah's missles either.
What would you say, if you knew Israel is providing the provocation?
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What I'm saying, is that when I look at the whole history of this conflict, it seems Israel started it, they've provoked Hezbollah - and thus Hezbollah are the defenders, Israel are the attackers - this is there mainstream media is sure to disagree...0 -
Infinity_Now wrote:dg1979us wrote:
What would you say, if you knew Israel is providing the provocation?
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What I'm saying, is that when I look at the whole history of this conflict, it seems Israel started it, they've provoked Hezbollah - and thus Hezbollah are the defenders, Israel are the attackers - this is there mainstream media is sure to disagree...
I understand that Israel's hands arent clean by any means. But Hezbollah is a terrorist group that was and is operating right across the Israel northern border, and was using that station to lob missles into Israel. You cant blame anyone for defending themselves. You can disagree with the method in which they go about defending themselves, which I do in this situation, but you cant expect Israel to just sit there while Hezbollah is pelting them with missles. There are innocent people on both sides of this conflict, and I think a governments top responsibility is protecting its people, so I dont blame Israel for defending themselves a bit, but, like I said, I do think they could do it in a more responsible manner that puts fewer Lebanese civilians at risk. But it by no means an easy situation.0 -
dg1979us wrote:Infinity_Now wrote:
I understand that Israel's hands arent clean by any means. But Hezbollah is a terrorist group that was and is operating right across the Israel northern border, and was using that station to lob missles into Israel. You cant blame anyone for defending themselves. You can disagree with the method in which they go about defending themselves, which I do in this situation, but you cant expect Israel to just sit there while Hezbollah is pelting them with missles. There are innocent people on both sides of this conflict, and I think a governments top responsibility is protecting its people, so I dont blame Israel for defending themselves a bit, but, like I said, I do think they could do it in a more responsible manner that puts fewer Lebanese civilians at risk. But it by no means an easy situation.
terror = counter-terror = terror0 -
Infinity_Now wrote:dg1979us wrote:
terror = counter-terror = terror
I dont disagree with that. But at the same time, terror that isnt responded to and allowed to continue is still terror.0 -
Dude, Hezbollah wants Israel to leave them the fuck alone. They want the goddamn Israelis to stop occupying their country. Isn't that why Hezbollah even exists?jsand wrote:Wow. Just when I think the loony left can't get any worse...
Do you live in the terrorists' minds? How can you possibly say that "they are fighting for their security and freedom from oppression?" You say this as if there aren't a good deal of terrorists whose only goal is the destruction of Israel because it is Jewish - this is the case with Hezbollah and Hamas, for example. But you'll choose to ignore it. Start living in reality.0 -
dg1979us wrote:Infinity_Now wrote:
I dont disagree with that. But at the same time, terror that isnt responded to and allowed to continue is still terror.
Non-violence is still a response.
...this terrorism problem is solved then, it's simple, when you see it that way...0 -
Infinity_Now wrote:Do you then think it should be, "Iran/Hezbollah and America/Israel..."?
Would that be fair?
you need education...
...to learn both sides of the same story - to gain objectivity, and hopefully a better understanding of this conflict and praise be, a sense of compassion for both sides.
Objectivity is the word...if people were capable of that one word, it would be a different world. Do people ever stop and wonder why they hate us? Oh yeah i forgot, it's for our freedom..lol0 -
dg1979us wrote:How is Hizbollah or Iran oppressed? Hizbollah has a political wing that operates in the Lebanese govt. and the terrorists faction more or less acts on their accord because they are militarily stronger than the Lebanese army. The people of Iran may be oppressed, but it would be their own government oppressing them, not Israel.
How do you think that goverment got there?0 -
Referring to the first Gulf War:
"First of all - this needs to be said, there never was a war."
"How can you say that Bill?"
(Bill Hicks, one heckuva comedian)
"Well, a war is when two armies are fighting."
*pause, for laughter*
"So you see, right there... we can all agree that, it wasn't exactly a war."
When it's one army against a militia... I don't know - I hafta agree with Bill on this one, it's not a war, it's a slaughter.
The U.S. Army vs. ...the "towelheads/ragheads" as my buddies in high school would say, "I can't wait to go straight to Iraq to kill some ragheads!"
The IDF vs. ...the Lebanese resistance...
Surely you can see how the rest of the civilized world might think of western civilization as a little less civilized than we doublethink ourselves to be.
We're the brutes.
We're the bullies.
We need comedians, our jesters to tell us what we're doing wrong, and then we laugh and pat our children on the head and forget all about it...
fuck...
"Iraq 150,000 casualties...
USA...
...79. haha!"
We don'er good daint we? Pa, huh? Ma - huh? ...yup we done 'er good...
(The id in me is feeling particularly bitter and resentful right now)0
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