tonight's debate

mfc2006
mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
edited October 2008 in A Moving Train
what should we expect? with the barrage of dirty ads & accusations flying though the media & from the mouths of the politicians themselves...

will the gloves be off? this is a town hall debate, right? how will that play a role? it will be interesting to say the least...

just wanted to hear everyone's thoughts.
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  • chipboy
    chipboy Posts: 137
    I think McCain is getting desparate and needs a game changer tonight. I expect him to be confrontational and I expect Rev Wright, Bill Ayers, and Tony Rezko all to be brought up tonight.
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    I think the gloves are off, infact I think we may get some good action tonight.
    Well we can only hope!
  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    I think it'll be pretty sedate. Going after Ayers or the Keating Five will just not work well in the format of the debate.

    However, if Obama wanted to really put McCain on the ropes, he should challenge him on the way his campaign has been run. "While I've been talking about your issues, McCain has been engaging in character assassination politics." If Obama brings up that issue without actually attacking McCain, the latter will be stuck. If he says that "Obama has done negative campaigning too" it will look like he's backtracking on the actions of his campaign. If he goes after Obama, he looks angry and acts like a candidate avoiding the issues. Either way, Obama wins, and he manages to get in a significant dig at McCain without seeming too severe.
  • Strangest Tribe
    Strangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    I'm getting the Popcorn ready
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  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,335
    Strangest Tribe wrote:
    I'm getting the Popcorn ready

    I'm getting a 6-pack! :D


    McCain will have to take a chance. He's falling behind in almost every swing state and his numbers continue to fall.
    If Obama just plays it cool he should continue to do well in the polls.
    McCain has to do some magic and Obama just cannot fuck up too bad.
  • jimed14
    jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    McCain should go on the offensive about Obama's tax plan, that's his best bet.

    not this Ayers, Wright b.s., it doesn't affect people's 401ks or bank accounts ... people want to make sure they can frickin' retire before they are 90. Pay their kids college bills. Not dig up Ayers or Keating shit form decades ago.
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  • nothinghead
    nothinghead Posts: 270
    mca47 wrote:
    I'm getting a 6-pack! :D

    so you're Joe Six-pack that Sarah Palin keeps referring to?

    Me, I'm Joe Twelve-Pack...I represent Americans with drinking problems, I guess.
  • jimed14
    jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    nothinghead wrote:
    so you're Joe Six-pack that Sarah Palin keeps referring to?

    Me, I'm Joe Twelve-Pack...I represent Americans with drinking problems, I guess.


    what's that say about me, I picked up a 24 on the way home ... :D (hey not often you can get Humbolt's Red Nectar for ~$5.99 per six pack)
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  • Strangest Tribe
    Strangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    nothinghead wrote:
    so you're Joe Six-pack that Sarah Palin keeps referring to?

    Me, I'm Joe Twelve-Pack...I represent Americans with drinking problems, I guess.





    hah hah good one
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    nothinghead wrote:
    so you're Joe Six-pack that Sarah Palin keeps referring to?

    i thought it was this guy :D
  • nothinghead
    nothinghead Posts: 270
    cutback wrote:
    i thought it was this guy :D

    That's a great photo.



    As for the actual thread topic, I'm expecting this to be more of the same. Whereas I would like to see McCain level the accusations that his advertisements, advisers, and running mate have been making to Obama's face on national television. As well, I would like to see Obama react to his advertisements the McCain campaign has been running. I would really like to hear a frank conversation about between the two principle candidates.

    Additionally, I would like to hear intelligent, informed questions from the American public be answered by the candidates in a direct manner--and if they avoid the questions, I want to Tom Brokaw force them to.

    Unfortunately, I think we're going to hear the same bland, deferential questions asked and we're going to receive the same question dodging answers. Hopefully Brokaw isn't as totally useless as Lehrer was during the first debate, but I don't know.

    And, while I wish there was some way to make the questions spontaneous instead of prepared so far in advance and censored...that's not going to be what we get.
  • sweet adeline
    sweet adeline Posts: 2,191
    even if mccain "takes the gloves off", its not like he can land any head shots, it will only be body blows.
  • Uncle Leo
    Uncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    Tonight McCain puts him away once and for all. The Ayres thing ends it tonight. The 40% voting for McCain will stay put. The 40% voting for Obama will too. The majority of the other 20% will go to McCain after tonight.
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  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    The thing about Obama is that no matter what, he seems to remain cool under pressure. I think McCain's going to have a difficulty responding to Obama, or getting a so-called 'game changer' moment that turns the election. So often, those moments depend on a gaffe that is begun by the candidate in front, who screws up somehow. Obama is by no means a master debater, but he just doesn't really open himself up to some 'game-changing' moment. I'm tense as hell, as I always am for debates (and as always, drinking to calm the nerves; God help me, if Palin's Joe Six-Pack, I'm Joe Too-Much-Disgusting-Hard-Liquor), but I don't see it in Obama's style to offer an opening like that. What's McCain going to be able to throw at him that we haven't already heard?
  • nothinghead
    nothinghead Posts: 270
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    Tonight McCain puts him away once and for all. The Ayres thing ends it tonight. The 40% voting for McCain will stay put. The 40% voting for Obama will too. The majority of the other 20% will go to McCain after tonight.

    That is certainly a bold prediction.

    I'm not going to bash it, though I do heavily disagree.

    Why do you think this is though? How exactly do you see this playing out? I'm very curious.
  • Uncle Leo
    Uncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    nothinghead wrote:
    That is certainly a bold prediction.

    I'm not going to bash it, though I do heavily disagree.

    Why do you think this is though? How exactly do you see this playing out? I'm very curious.

    McPalin has been on the attack. All he has to do tonight is work Bill Ayers into every answer and BAM...we have Willie Horton driving a swift boat.

    Truthfully, I have never for one second thought that Obama would win and this just seems like a perfect time for my prediction to come true.
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  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    McPalin has been on the attack. All he has to do tonight is work Bill Ayers into every answer and BAM...we have Willie Horton driving a swift boat.

    Truthfully, I have never for one second thought that Obama would win and this just seems like a perfect time for my prediction to come true.

    Difference is no one heard of Willie Horton before that ad, nor was the Swift Boat stuff expected. People have been hearing about Ayers since the primary, and I just don't see it having the heft that you think. I've been wrong before, though.
  • jimed14
    jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    digster wrote:
    Difference is no one heard of Willie Horton before that ad, nor was the Swift Boat stuff expected. People have been hearing about Ayers since the primary, and I just don't see it having the heft that you think. I've been wrong before, though.

    and oh ... there's this economic crisis going on right now too ... that might play a small part of who wins over some aging radical.
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  • iamica
    iamica Chicago Posts: 2,628
    I'm not even going to watch this debate. The last one almost made me physically ill.
    Let me know how it turns out.
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  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    jimed14 wrote:
    and oh ... there's this economic crisis going on right now too ... that might play a small part of who wins over some aging radical.

    I think that might make the difference. Uncle Leo has a point; the Bush 1 campaign said Willie Horton enough times and it helped them clinch the election. Why wouldn't it work this time as well? I think the problem with this time around is that it looks overtly political on the part of the McCain campaign; I don't think people are going to buy it. If it was so important, why has it not been a part of the campaign before this time? In difficult situations, wedge issues won't work. I don't think they'll work now.

    However, I'm still nervous about it; who knows? McCain could string together the words "Ayers", "terrorist", "bombings", and "Obama" and the damage could be done. We'll have to see.

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