just remeber, when you bash Christ, you don't get 40 lashes

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  • MakingWaves
    MakingWaves Posts: 1,294
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Try bashing Christ in a Catholic school and see how many lashings you get.

    Zero. It isn't the 1960's anymore, although I wish they could still paddle kids in school.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    soulsinging wrote:
    that's fucking ridiculous. you can name all 19 of your kids mohammed but if a teacher lets her class vote to name a teddy bear and they pick mohammed you get lashed?

    LMAO!! this is what i was going to say.

    in christianity you are not supposed to name your kids jesus, yet it happens in south america and central america all of the time, only its pronounced "hey-zeus"

    muslims name their children mohammad all of the time.

    yet in both religions you can not name an inatimate object jesus or mohammad?? the way i was taught, people should not be named after these sacred people because they are destined to fail in living up to those names. to me, it would almost be better the name something that can not screw up (like a teddy bear) after these sacred beings.
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  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    I named one of my hockey pucks....... Mohammad.

    Great fun slapping Mohammad around.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    810wmb wrote:
    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23423342-details/Teddy+bear+teacher+appears+in+court+as+Islamic+fanatics+demand+execution/article.do


    you can also name a teddy bear "Jesus" without fear


    oh yeah, i can't spell "remember" either
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    This is a perfect example of why Theocracies suck ass.
    Keep Religion OUT of Law Making.
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  • malabogia
    malabogia Posts: 59
    mammasan wrote:
    Also this more of an example of mankind, more specifically a government, corrupting a religion in order to oppress it's people. Islam is no better or worse a religion than Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, etc.. The problem is that to many oppressive regimes around the world use Islam to control it's people and indoctrinate them from birth to think that their distorted interpretation of Islam is the true form of the religion. You can damn Allah and Mohammed every waking moment in any country that provides a free society and not suffer from being lashed. That just proves that the problem is governments not the religion itself.
    I must disagree to this. Humans always abuse things when they see a benefit for themselves. It is in the nature of humankind. It is the religions that has a lot of flaw in it, a lot of empty spaces to fill in that anyone in power who won't use that should be crazy.
    the religion should be so perfect, so complete, leave no space to abuse like god itself so that humans or governments cannot abuse it.
    you think since the creator of religion is God itself, an example of perfection, it should not be so hard to create a religion like that...Well, but there is none around so far...
    Welcome to atheism :D
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  • NoK
    NoK Posts: 824
    malabogia wrote:
    I must disagree to this. Humans always abuse things when they see a benefit for themselves. It is in the nature of humankind. It is the religions that has a lot of flaw in it, a lot of empty spaces to fill in that anyone in power who won't use that should be crazy.
    the religion should be so perfect, so complete, leave no space to abuse like god itself so that humans or governments cannot abuse it.
    you think since the creator of religion is God itself, an example of perfection, it should not be so hard to create a religion like that...Well, but there is none around so far...
    Welcome to atheism :D

    These religions could be perfect but imperfections in humans could result in comprehending perfection in an imperfect way. Hope that makes sense to you.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    malabogia wrote:
    I must disagree to this. Humans always abuse things when they see a benefit for themselves. It is in the nature of humankind. It is the religions that has a lot of flaw in it, a lot of empty spaces to fill in that anyone in power who won't use that should be crazy.
    the religion should be so perfect, so complete, leave no space to abuse like god itself so that humans or governments cannot abuse it.
    you think since the creator of religion is God itself, an example of perfection, it should not be so hard to create a religion like that...Well, but there is none around so far...
    Welcome to atheism :D

    The religion itself may have been perfect. Over time mankind has taken what he wants from the earliest teachings and morphed it into what fits him best. Take the teachings of Jesus Christ. Look how far his teaching have been distorted throughout history by mankind. What he preached could be considered perfect. Love thy neighbor and treat others as you wish to be treated. Simple and perfect, but it was mankind who took this and transformed it into what best fit his agenda. Same goes with Islam or Judaism or any other religion. We will never know what the true intent or message of the original preachers where because man and time have earased it and all we have left is what has been distorted through the ages by greed, power and corruption. So mankind is to blame, not the religion itself.
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  • SoonForgotten2
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    mammasan wrote:
    I hope so too. I truely feel deep sorrow for the people who have to suffer under such oppression. The really sad part is that many don't even realize that they are being oppressed simply because they have been brainwashed from the moment they left the womb that this is the only way to live.

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  • malabogia
    malabogia Posts: 59
    NoK wrote:
    These religions could be perfect but imperfections in humans could result in comprehending perfection in an imperfect way. Hope that makes sense to you.
    hmmm...No I don't get it. Sorry, my bad :)
    "when one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." Robert Pirsig
  • malabogia
    malabogia Posts: 59
    mammasan wrote:
    The religion itself may have been perfect. Over time mankind has taken what he wants from the earliest teachings and morphed it into what fits him best. Take the teachings of Jesus Christ. Look how far his teaching have been distorted throughout history by mankind. What he preached could be considered perfect. Love thy neighbor and treat others as you wish to be treated. Simple and perfect, but it was mankind who took this and transformed it into what best fit his agenda. Same goes with Islam or Judaism or any other religion. We will never know what the true intent or message of the original preachers where because man and time have earased it and all we have left is what has been distorted through the ages by greed, power and corruption. So mankind is to blame, not the religion itself.
    do you know that Quaran, the holy book of islam, claims that it cannot be changed anyway, not even a word of it, because it is Allah's word and Allah protects it from being changed. Here is the perfect religion for you, with the personal insurance of god himself but still results speak louder than the cause.
    I still say, welcome to atheism. I am stubborn bastard :)
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  • NoK
    NoK Posts: 824
    malabogia wrote:
    hmmm...No I don't get it. Sorry, my bad :)

    If you have something thats perfect (religion) being taken in by something that is not perfect (humans) consequently it would make the perfect thing not perfect...
  • NoK
    NoK Posts: 824
    malabogia wrote:
    do you know that Quaran, the holy book of islam, claims that it cannot be changed anyway, not even a word of it, because it is Allah's word and Allah protects it from being changed. Here is the perfect religion for you, with the personal insurance of god himself but still results speak louder than the cause.
    I still say, welcome to atheism. I am stubborn bastard :)

    Words can be understood in many ways. They don't have to be changed.
  • malabogia
    malabogia Posts: 59
    NoK wrote:
    If you have something thats perfect (religion) being taken in by something that is not perfect (humans) consequently it would make the perfect thing not perfect...
    that is exactly what I am talking about. And you think god cannot foresee this. Why not send a prophecy every 50 years then. you have 6 billion candidates to choose from.
    "when one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." Robert Pirsig
  • malabogia
    malabogia Posts: 59
    NoK wrote:
    Words can be understood in many ways. They don't have to be changed.
    then why the insurance?
    "when one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." Robert Pirsig
  • NoK
    NoK Posts: 824
    malabogia wrote:
    that is exactly what I am talking about. And you think god cannot foresee this. Why not send a prophecy every 50 years then. you have 6 billion candidates to choose from.

    I wouldn't know as I do not know what God's plan is if he/she does have one. I am just analysing the logic.
  • NoK
    NoK Posts: 824
    malabogia wrote:
    then why the insurance?

    Honestly, I have not heard of such an insurance given but for the debate...

    the insurance in this case is with regards to the book not changing not with regards to people misinterpreting it.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Religion is perfect, haha.
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  • NoK
    NoK Posts: 824
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Religion is perfect, haha.

    To be honest I don't believe that myself but I am arguing the logic with regards to perfection/imperfection.
  • malabogia
    malabogia Posts: 59
    NoK wrote:
    Honestly, I have not heard of such an insurance given but for the debate...

    the insurance in this case is with regards to the book not changing not with regards to people misinterpreting it.
    that's the key I think. If you say things that are open to be misinterpreted, you just let it be so, just let your words lose its real meanings and not interfere and since you have to power to see that this will happen, why bother and say those things in the first instance. or why create humans that would not misinterpret their creator's words. Wouldn't it be better than what we see today.
    "when one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." Robert Pirsig
  • malabogia
    malabogia Posts: 59
    NoK wrote:
    I wouldn't know as I do not know what God's plan is if he/she does have one. I am just analysing the logic.
    I still think a new prophet every 50 years (take it 100 year if the candidates are not of high quality) would make the things much better
    "when one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." Robert Pirsig

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