Venezuela's Chavez may take over schools

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    spiral out wrote:
    This is what i was going to say. Exactly you think the American system doesn't teach to it's own agenda.

    first of all, you are byzine do not know shit about whats taught in american schools. I do. I wasnt taught anything to fit a certain agenda. unless america had the agenda of showing the bad parts of its history...and the good.
  • HANKTHELANK
    HANKTHELANK Posts: 89
    Jlew,

    Talking with a friend of mine who has children in Kindergarden, He informed me that at this level they were being taught about army, marines, war etc... This to me is very concerning....these kids are 4 and 5 years old, they should be learning their abc's.

    Also, does anybody think that the pledge of allegiance is an ealry form of brain washing? Really, what 4 year old really knows what he is swearing to at that age.



    jlew24asu wrote:
    first of all, you are byzine do not know shit about whats taught in american schools. I do. I wasnt taught anything to fit a certain agenda. unless america had the agenda of showing the bad parts of its history...and the good.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    HANKTHELANK wrote:
    Jlew,

    Talking with a friend of mine who has children in Kindergarden, He informed me that at this level they were being taught about army, marines, war etc... This to me is very concerning....these kids are 4 and 5 years old, they should be learning their abc's.

    Also, does anybody think that the pledge of allegiance is an ealry form of brain washing? Really, what 4 year old really knows what he is swearing to at that age.

    I guess it depends where you are. I have 2 cousins in kindergarden and they are not taught that. which means it is not some across the board curriculum provided by the US government.

    and as for the pledge, I dont seem to mind it. I remember saying it and its really not a big deal. if parents want to tell their kids not to say, thats fine too.
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    jlew24asu wrote:
    and as for the pledge, I dont seem to mind it. I remember saying it and its really not a big deal. if parents want to tell their kids not to say, thats fine too.
    about the only thing i've agreed with you on in the past 48 hours.

    "and to the republic for which it stands" is the best part.
    Kids should be forced to disect the pledge and understand it, if the concern is that they don't. Because they should. You should love the principals this country is founded on, they are beautiful and pure.

    I have been listening to The Federalist Papers on mp3 and they are extremely moving.

    ;)
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    first of all, you are byzine do not know shit about whats taught in american schools. I do. I wasnt taught anything to fit a certain agenda. unless america had the agenda of showing the bad parts of its history...and the good.

    And you don't know shit about what's taught in Venezualan schools.
    I suppose schools in America are now telling the truth about, for instance, General Armstrong Custer?
    And why did Howard Zinn feel the need to write 'A peoples history of the United States?' I suppose it was just a lefty whim he had.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    And you don't know shit about what's taught in Venezualan schools.
    I know that chavez wants to run shit his way with little or no input from anyone else.

    Byrnzie wrote:
    I suppose schools in America are now telling the truth about, for instance, General Armstrong Custer?
    yes, for the most part they are. might there be some rogue teachers out there? sure. but not a national policy

    Byrnzie wrote:
    And why did Howard Zinn feel the need to write 'A peoples history of the United States?' .
    because he can.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    schools in the U.S. don't teach real american history? thats bullshit. when i was in school i learned about slavery, terrible working conditions on the railroads etc., various bad actions of presidents, Native American slaughters, monopolies, civil rights abuses, and yes, even how CUSTER WAS AN ASSHOLE. Most of my history teachers were pretty liberal actually, even contrarian (and I lived in the south, not exactly a hotbed of antiBush Sentiment). In college, my sociology teacher didnt even teach sociology. he had tenure, so he just taught about the Military Industrial Complex all day. i never even took a test.

    get your facts straight, so you dont sound like a hypocrite.

    maybe Chavez will make it better, but can you admit he might be trying to brainwash people? just maybe he's the next Kim Jong Il (though you are probably a huge fan of his.)? I mean, do you even recognize that could be a possibility?

    Or are you just being devil's advocate to try to train us stupid americans on how to think objectively?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    I like you Smitty :)
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    MrSmith wrote:
    when i was in school i learned about slavery, terrible working conditions on the railroads etc., various bad actions of presidents, Native American slaughters, monopolies, civil rights abuses, and yes, even how CUSTER WAS AN ASSHOLE.

    Is that all? :confused:
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    MrSmith wrote:
    schools in the U.S. don't teach real american history? thats bullshit. when i was in school i learned about slavery, terrible working conditions on the railroads etc., various bad actions of presidents, Native American slaughters, monopolies, civil rights abuses, and yes, even how CUSTER WAS AN ASSHOLE. Most of my history teachers were pretty liberal actually, even contrarian (and I lived in the south, not exactly a hotbed of antiBush Sentiment). In college, my sociology teacher didnt even teach sociology. he had tenure, so he just taught about the Military Industrial Complex all day. i never even took a test.

    get your facts straight, so you dont sound like a hypocrite.

    maybe Chavez will make it better, but can you admit he might be trying to brainwash people? just maybe he's the next Kim Jong Il (though you are probably a huge fan of his.)? I mean, do you even recognize that could be a possibility?

    Or are you just being devil's advocate to try to train us stupid americans on how to think objectively?

    And you think that your experience of education is the same across America? I don't think so.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    And you think that your experience of education is the same across America? I don't think so.

    for the most part, yes. trust me on this. you have no fucking clue ok? you have never stepped foot in an American school. stick to something you might know something about.
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    jlew24asu wrote:
    first of all, you are byzine do not know shit about whats taught in american schools. I do. I wasnt taught anything to fit a certain agenda. unless america had the agenda of showing the bad parts of its history...and the good.

    Lol do you know whats taught? didn't you go to a private school?

    I can tell you know your parents payed money for a reason.

    And if you know the bad parts of your history why do you know nothing of the mayhem you caused in south america?
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

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  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    jlew24asu wrote:
    and as for the pledge, I dont seem to mind it. I remember saying it and its really not a big deal.

    Yes but you are brainwashed so of course you don't see anything wrong with pledge.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    spiral out wrote:
    Lol do you know whats taught? didn't you go to a private school?

    I can tell you know your parents payed money for a reason.

    And if you know the bad parts of your history why do you know nothing of the mayhem you caused in south america?

    LOL I went to a public grade school. you know, when brainwashing works best?

    I know plenty of what america has done in south america over the years. for fucks sake, you are by far the worse. please stop responding to my posts. much like byrzine, you do not know jack shit about the American school system or whats taught in it. k? LOL
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    spiral out wrote:
    Yes but you are brainwashed so of course you don't see anything wrong with pledge.

    good job leaving the rest of my sentence out.
    jlew24asu wrote:
    if parents want to tell their kids not to say, thats fine too.
    yea, they did a great job brainwashing me. go away
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I like you Smitty :)


    some of the people on this board are so anti-establishment or anti-american or whatever that they border on insane.

    America does 'A' - they automatically think 'B'. No further thought is needed. they're like sheep from Bizaaro world! Their entire world view is still based soley on what the U.S. does.

    I can admit America has done some good things and some bad things, but they are incapable of even comprehending such a concept. They are just as dogmatic and simple minded as the people they hate, and whats worse is they can't see it!
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    MrSmith wrote:
    some of the people on this board are so anti-establishment or anti-american or whatever that they border on insane.

    America does 'A' - they automatically think 'B'. No further thought is needed. they're like sheep from Bizaaro world! Their entire world view is still based soley on what the U.S. does.

    I can admit America has done some good things and some bad things, but they are incapable of even comprehending such a concept. They are just as dogmatic and simple minded as the people they hate, and whats worse is they can't see it!

    what really gets me, is the Europeans coming in this thread and claiming to know what is taught in american schools. on top of that, defend chavez's actions of taking over schools. IMO, they do it solely based on the fact chavez is anti-america. a foe of the US is a friend of theirs.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    jlew24asu wrote:
    CARACAS, Venezuela - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez threatened on Monday to close or take over any private school that refuses to submit to the oversight of his socialist government as it develops a new curriculum and textbooks.


    "Society cannot allow the private sector to do whatever it wants," said Chavez, speaking on the first day of classes.

    All schools, public and private, must admit state inspectors and submit to the government's new educational system, or be closed and nationalized, with the state taking responsibility for the education of their children, Chavez said.

    A new curriculum will be ready by the end of this school year, and new textbooks are being developed to help educate "the new citizen," said Chavez's brother and education minister Adan Chavez, who joined him a televised ceremony at the opening of a public school in the eastern town of El Tigre.

    The president's opponents accuse him of aiming to indoctrinate young Venezuelans with socialist ideology. But the education minister said the aim is to develop "critical thinking," not to impose a single way of thought.


    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070917/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/venezuela_socialist_education

    you're right chavez, schools should only teach what you want them to learn. I fucking hate this guy.

    ever hear of the department of education, standardized testing, and no child left behind?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    soulsinging wrote:
    ever hear of the department of education, standardized testing, and no child left behind?

    yea what about it?
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    jlew24asu wrote:
    what really gets me, is the Europeans coming in this thread and claiming to know what is taught in american schools. on top of that, defend chavez's actions of taking over schools. IMO, they do it solely based on the fact chavez is anti-america. a foe of the US is a friend of theirs.

    exactly.

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