'I' am not consciousness

gue_barium · May 2007

angelica wrote:

Ahnimus, I'm thrilled to say I completely and totally agree with you. Neurolinguistic programming has played a big part in my healing. With it you can retroactively change your perception of experiences from the past. When I saw the movie "the Butterfly Effect", I was dazzled, because that was what my healing was like--I could mentally go to the past, and change my experience in my mind, and it would change my experience in the now. Amazing. Not to mention, actual communication takes place when we meet people at their map of the world. I am totally at peace with the bizarreness of the world due to that what you've stated here is true about people doing the best they do with what they've got. And when they are offered a new concept or paradigm that they resonate with, they will absorb it. It's evolution. I changed and healed with new and empowering maps and I constantly redesign my own maps of the world in order to create my life to serve me. I'm glad you are learning this stuff. It's very real in how people experience it on the road to empowerment. Peace.

You sound confident, yet.

Jeanie · May 2007

Ahnimus wrote:

Cool.

This is very similar in a lot of ways to Stephen Covey's The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People a great self-help book.

Yes. I have read parts of this book but haven't read it from cover to cover.
The other thing that I took away from the course was how we each percieve things differently. Loosely the following scenario and explanation was given me. I found it very illuminating and has helped no end with my communication skills. So we have an incident, but of those present each will focus on a different aspect of said incident. Some people are visual. They can view the incident and can tell you exactly how everything looked. What people were wearing, how the surrounds looked. Facial expressions. Anything that can be seen. These people will focus their attention with their eyes. Some people are auditory. At the same incident they can tell you everything that was said, any noises there may have been, if music was playing. Anything that might be heard, they are more likely to focus in on that.
And some people are oh I forget the term but I think it was pretty much emotive. And emotive people pick up on the feelings of others. How they feel while the episode is taking place. I think this is correct anyway. People generally focus in on one of these three ways. But can be a combination of all of them. It's very interesting and has proved very useful in dealing with people, especially at work.

angelica · May 2007

gue_barium wrote:

You sound confident, yet.

For the things I know as opposed to my beliefs, yes. For example, by experience one can find what practical applications do and do not work. When they work consistently over and over, I definitely have confidence in them.

chadwick · May 2007

angelica wrote:

I disagree, chadwick, my friend. Hypnosis is so natural and accessible for anyone to do with simple instructions. Some people are less suggestible than others, but it's amazing what can be done.

oh i know it can work/be done.
im just saying i find it difficult to be done with success online rather than
with a hypnotist guiding one through the whole concept of it.

Ahnimus · May 2007

chadwick wrote:

hypnosis online @ a .com service?
dude, that's not gonna work, i'm sure of that.
i'm even shocked a man of your intelligence sunk to such a level
at a .com hypnosis site, and thinking it may work.
dude, stop it.
haha.

metacafe.com is just a video site

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/541398/hypnotic_youth_induction_nlp/

angelica · May 2007

chadwick wrote:

oh i it can work/be done.
im just saying i find it difficult to be done with success online rather than
with a hypnotist guiding one through the whole concept of it.

Again I disagree. I've learned tons of stuff on auto-suggestion and affecting the unconscious through my own self-learning. People like Ahnimus and I thrive learning independently rather than handing our power to the "experts" and in this day and age this knowledge is widely available by those willing to share.

Jeanie · May 2007

angelica wrote:

........... Hypnosis is so natural and accessible for anyone to do with simple instructions. Some people are less suggestible than others, but it's amazing what can be done.

I find self hypnosis to be a very useful tool for quieting the mind.
I think having a qualified psychologist or hypnotherapist guide you initially is extremely beneficial and makes it so much easier to then go on to self hypnotise. I am a huge fan of self hypnosis and find it as beneficial as meditation.

angelica · May 2007

Jeanie wrote:

Yes. I have read parts of this book but haven't read it from cover to cover.
The other thing that I took away from the course was how we each percieve things differently. Loosely the following scenario and explanation was given me. I found it very illuminating and has helped no end with my communication skills. So we have an incident, but of those present each will focus on a different aspect of said incident. Some people are visual. They can view the incident and can tell you exactly how everything looked. What people were wearing, how the surrounds looked. Facial expressions. Anything that can be seen. These people will focus their attention with their eyes. Some people are auditory. At the same incident they can tell you everything that was said, any noises there may have been, if music was playing. Anything that might be heard, they are more likely to focus in on that.
And some people are oh I forget the term but I think it was pretty much emotive. And emotive people pick up on the feelings of others. How they feel while the episode is taking place. I think this is correct anyway. People generally focus in on one of these three ways. But can be a combination of all of them. It's very interesting and has proved very useful in dealing with people, especially at work.

And with NLP, you can tell by observing someone at any time, which their main maps are. For example, I was telling Ahnimus privately, last week, that by his Youtube videos, I could see when he was accessing visual cues in his mind, or when he was being auditory. and when you see this plainly written on someone's face, you can respond to their preferences, and build "rapport" wherein one can climb in their mind and influence them.

And this stuff is used all the time by the millions who use it--businesses, sales people, and so on. The psyche is very clearly mapped through various systems for those willing to learn how to take advantage of that, for good, not-so-good or for indifferent purposes.

angelica · May 2007

Jeanie wrote:

I find self hypnosis to be a very useful tool for quieting the mind.
I think having a qualified psychologist or hypnotherapist guide you initially is extremely beneficial and makes it so much easier to then go on to self hypnotise. I am a huge fan of self hypnosis and find it as beneficial as meditation.

I see your point. I'm just driven to independent learning, so I find the resources to teach myself what I need. edit: OOPS! forgot this:

chadwick · May 2007

angelica wrote:

Again I disagree. I've learned tons of stuff on auto-suggestion and affecting the unconscious through my own self-learning. People like Ahnimus and I thrive learning independently rather than handing our power to the "experts" and in this day and age this knowledge is widely available by those willing to share.

now you two are making sence.
i must say i stand corrected.
i been put in check, yet again.
i think actually my subconscious wanted to mess with Ahnimus.
haha.
but yes, i believe ya'll on the hypnosis gig.
with that being the case i hyponotize myself about everyday with meditation.

angelica · May 2007

chadwick wrote:

now you two are making sence.
i must say i stand corrected.
i been put in check, yet again.
i think actually my subconscious wanted to mess with Ahnimus.
haha.
but yes, i believe ya'll on the hypnosis gig.
with that being the case i hyponotize myself about everyday with meditation.

I do so with meditation, too.

I let myself go to the ground state of awareness that is there before our thoughts/emotions arise. With meditation, I allow myself to sink to the level of preform that underlies all form.

Peace, chadwick.

I'm sure your subconscious DID want to mess with him.

chadwick · May 2007

angelica wrote:

I do so with meditation, too. I let myself go to the ground state of awareness that is there before our thoughts/emotions arise. With meditation, I allow myself to sink to the level of preform that underlies all form. Peace, chadwick.

I'm sure your subconscious DID want to mess with him.

i do meditation for better breathing.
for peaceful energy to fill me.
serenity and tranquility is gained by doing meditation.
visualize ones goals for ones life.
mental telepathy with whomever.
lots of benefits to meditation.

angelica · May 2007

chadwick wrote:

i do meditation for better breathing.
for peaceful energy to fill me.
serenity and tranquility is gained by doing meditation.
visualize ones goals for ones life.
mental telepathy with whomever.
lots of benefits to meditation.

For sure. The benefits of meditation are very far reaching.

Jeanie · May 2007

angelica wrote:

And with NLP, you can tell by observing someone at any time, which their main maps are. For example, I was telling Ahnimus privately, last week, that by his Youtube videos, I could see when he was accessing visual cues in his mind, or when he was being auditory. and when you see this plainly written on someone's face, you can respond to their preferences, and build "rapport" wherein one can climb in their mind and influence them. And this stuff is used all the time by the millions who use it--businesses, sales people, and so on. The psyche is very clearly mapped through various systems for those willing to learn how to take advantage of that, for good, not-so-good or for indifferent purposes.

Yes, it's a very useful skill to cultivate!

Wish they could drag it into the 21st century and include situations like this one, the online cues.

Jeanie · May 2007

angelica wrote:

I see your point. I'm just driven to independent learning, so I find the resources to teach myself what I need. edit: OOPS! forgot this:

Fair enough.

What ever works for you angel.

I just feel better if I can find a good teacher that can explain things to me first.

Pretty much after that I'm happy to drive my own train!

gue_barium · May 2007

I didn't realize...

I'm all woods and nature and stuff.

angelica · May 2007

Jeanie wrote:

Yes, it's a very useful skill to cultivate!
Wish they could drag it into the 21st century and include situations like this one, the online cues.

I hear you.

At the same time, what you brought up can be discerned online. but it's merely a map and still we miss out on the essence, which to use Ahnimus for an example, makes a huge difference.

I can pick out key personality traits all the time on message boards...we all can at least unconsciously--we know who we resonate to or not. In terms of neurolinguistic programming, though, it's in the word choice. For example, I notice some people speak using visual descriptors. They might say "I see" or "it seems....blablah". If that dominates, I can use visuals back and connect most effectively. Some say "I think" this or that, and then we can know that using logic is more effective with their map. Others say "I feel...blah, blah" which makes them more kinesthetic, accessing the body and emotion/sense.

If you notice in my myspace pics, I've perpetually got my head tilted from side to side. Very auditory people do that. I'm a sucker for words and sounds, to huge degrees, and auditory descriptors like "mellifluous", or I say "I hear you" a lot.

I love to spot people who have natural preferences that I resonate with a mile away. It's so cool to feel that harmony. (auditory word

) Although I tend to blend different systems. My fave mapping is personality type, where I LOVE intuitive people, and I LOVE feelers.

Jeanie · May 2007

gue_barium wrote:

I didn't realize...

I'm all woods and nature and stuff.

Nothing wrong with that.

Ahnimus · May 2007

angelica wrote:

I hear you. At the same time, what you brought up can be discerned online. but it's merely a map and still we miss out on the essence, which to use Ahnimus for an example, makes a huge difference.

I can pick out key personality traits all the time on message boards...we all can at least unconsciously--we know who we resonate to or not. In terms of neurolinguistic programming, though, it's in the word choice. For example, I notice some people speak using visual descriptors. They might say "I see" or "it seems....blablah". If that dominates, I can use visuals back and connect most effectively. Some say "I think" this or that, and then we can know that using logic is more effective with their map. Others say "I feel...blah, blah" which makes them more kinesthetic, accessing the body and emotion/sense.

If you notice in my myspace pics, I've perpetually got my head tilted from side to side. Very auditory people do that. I'm a sucker for words and sounds, to huge degrees, and auditory descriptors like "mellifluous", or I say "I hear you" a lot.

I love to spot people who have natural preferences that I resonate with a mile away. It's so cool to feel that harmony. (auditory word ) Although I tend to blend different systems. My fave mapping is personality type, where I LOVE intuitive people, and I LOVE feelers.

I say "I hear you" and "I feel your pain" a lot.

angelica · May 2007

Ahnimus wrote:

I say "I hear you" and "I feel your pain" a lot.

I noticed that Ahnimus. On this board, you tend to predominantly give off a more "thinking" vibe, and that fits your "thinker" personality profile. But, on the phone, I felt a lot of warmth in your essence. You don't speak it in words, but I could feel a lot of compassion flowing through you, probably due to your experiences as an underdog. I did tell you you are quite balanced. In your vids, I didn't analyze it, but I noticed you were showing visually and auditorily. And the fact that you like to discuss philosophy for foreplay--or maybe you said you do so actually during sex--certainly says something for your auditory nature.

'I' am not consciousness

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