America, From Freedom to Fascism

Wastedteen · July 2006

I've seen quite a few adds for this film up on many websites but have yet to see it make any waves in the media. I'd be really interested in seeing it but you have to understand that like most documentaries it is going to be one sided. Documentaries usually don't contain much debate.

rightondude · July 2006

JaneNY wrote:

As a matter of fact, I did see the first post. It is mainly allegations, with no supporting documentatioin posted, other than a link to apparently a movie. The funny thing is I probably agree with you - I am familiar with the 14 signs of fascism, and I do see signs in the U.S. that are quite disquieting. However your earlier writing and now your insulting tone are a turn-off unfortunately and these get in the way of receptivity to your message.

* The American Middle Class is shrinking. Why?

* College tuition at private schools have risen on average by about 250-300% over the last 15 years but are NOT factored into the cost of living index. Why?

* Corporate America is outsourcing high paying jobs. Why?

* Real Estate Price increases are outpacing salary increases but are NOT factored into the cost of living index. Why?

* Americans need to go into debt to pay for their basic material needs. Why?

* The American dollar has lost 35% of its value since 2001. Why?

All taken from my original post which started the thread. Those are mere allegations?!?!?

hmm..I'm sorry are you feeling ok? Your logic seems highly unusual. I can't sugar coat this topic for you sorry Jane.

rightondude · July 2006

Wastedteen wrote:

I've seen quite a few adds for this film up on many websites but have yet to see it make any waves in the media. I'd be really interested in seeing it but you have to understand that like most documentaries it is going to be one sided. Documentaries usually don't contain much debate.

Granted, but that's where personal intelligence and objective opinion plays in.

rightondude · July 2006

If anyone is looking for a primer to America From Freedom to Fascism or more aptly named "The World From Freedom to Fascism" rather watch this docu, it'll blow your doors off:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6666372716915416357

Pearl Jam and toast · July 2006

rightondude wrote:

* The American Middle Class is shrinking. Why?

* College tuition at private schools have risen on average by about 250-300% over the last 15 years but are NOT factored into the cost of living index. Why?

* Corporate America is outsourcing high paying jobs. Why?

* Real Estate Price increases are outpacing salary increases but are NOT factored into the cost of living index. Why?

* Americans need to go into debt to pay for their basic material needs. Why?

* The American dollar has lost 35% of its value since 2001. Why?

All taken from my original post which started the thread. Those are mere allegations?!?!?

hmm..I'm sorry are you feeling ok? Your logic seems highly unusual. I can't sugar coat this topic for you sorry Jane.

I think she meant that she wants clear-cut proof of those facts (not allegations).

All those things are very much true, but i think the responsibility of checking them relies heavily on the reader as well as the speaker

rightondude · July 2006

I'm just assuming people are up on their current events and state of affairs. Sorry to come off unsavory..the topic itself is very unappealing

danmac · July 2006

jammin1586 wrote:

We feared more terrorist attacks.

Supporters of the terror campaign now aren't acting out of fear, but out of principle.

On point one, then you are a sheep. Do you fear being killed in your car? 15,000 americans are killed each year on the roads.

Its about perspective. You are willing to sacrifice the freedoms and liberties of 285 million Countrymen, women and children in retaliation for 3000 deaths.

What terror campaign? One strike on US soil (perhaps by people other than whom your Govt. say), and suddenly its a 'Long War'.

danmac · July 2006

rightondude wrote:

hmm..I'm sorry are you feeling ok? Your logic seems highly unusual. I can't sugar coat this topic for you sorry Jane.

Don't bother sugar coating anything mate. Some people wil not swallow something until they are no longer allowed to taste.

Some people won't know what they had until its gone. Freedom, I mean.

Isn't it funny when the good amongst us provide factual information on this board, all we get screamed down with is "FACT FACT FACT!" as if we have to prove that Government statistics (as in the Voter fraud) or United Nations statistics, or Human Rights Watch, or the BBC , or Amnesty International, or The US Prison Service, or Reuters, or any other number of credbile, unbiased, and established sources are subject to further introspection.

Its the equivalent of screaming Anti semite when we question the actions of Israel. It's all these sad little people have to fall back on. Argument and rhetoric. Well, screw 'em I say. Can't help those that are blind to truth and reason, those that are better off than others, those who live life without a care for fellow human beings, no matter where they live, nor the colour of their skin, nor the size of their house, car, bank balance.

JaneNY · July 2006

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

I think she meant that she wants clear-cut proof of those facts (not allegations).

Yes, exactly. I'd like some references, to research, posted. Not just a link to a movie. One can say college tuition has risen 250-300% over 15 years time, but until there's a documented source (scholarly journal? research paper?) for this, it could be construed as allegation. I mean, I could write:
"The population of rattlesnakes in central New York has been increasing over the past 10 years. Why?" But if I don't give you a source for this statement, its poor scholarship and not necessarily to be taken as fact. Same for the original statements. And again, rightondude, insulting people is not going to help win them over to your ideas. You should be able to handle a little questioning and skepticism without being insulting particularly if you feel strongly (clearly you do) about this.

rightondude · July 2006

All the facts are presented according to the reviews

America, From Freedom to Fascism

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