Eddie's politics from VH1

PaperPlates · July 2006

Skitch Patterson wrote:

I am becoming increasingly convinced that Mike especially has some views that differ from eddies, at least on some level. In interviews after the Denver/03 and other Bushleaguer related incidents, i got an impression he wasnt totally on board with ed politically (no specfic quotes, just a general feel)... and then with the new album there was an interview before it came out about how they all understand its Ed's band, and they kinda give into him.. and Last night, Mike was VERY vague in the question about politics.

Well at least now maybe the "right wingers" know we have an ally in PJ. I wonder if Mike was offended for the fans at the "eff em" comment, or if he was personally offended. Joke or not, the "eff em" wasnt necessary. The question wasnt " hey ed, some fans think your an ass and have different opinions then yours"> An " f-em" would be appropriate in that case. The question was something like " alot of your fanbase have different political views, whats your opinion on that?" 'F-em???' Another truly open minded liberal. Im sorry, backpedal all you want ed, that was uncalled for, and not in line with the question asked of you.

And I thought Betterman was dedicated to the bastid that married his momma. Its a political song???????? hahahahaha ok ed.

hippiemom · July 2006

Skitch Patterson wrote:

my only issue was the random insertion of John Roberts into the "here's to the state of..." song.
What has he really done or said wrong other than being liked by Bush?

As chief justice, he in a way symbolizes a very conservative court. Also, without going over each individual ruling (I do legal research for a living, and it's a holiday weekend ... not doing it), he's agreed most often with the two most arch-conservative justices (Alito 87.5% and Scalia 77.5%), and least with Justice Stevens (35%), who Ed is probably a big fan of. I don't know if Ed had particular rulings in mind, or chose him because he's chief justice, but there's no question that for someone on the left there's plenty not to like there.

hippiemom · July 2006

PaperPlates wrote:

Well at least now maybe the "right wingers" know we have an ally in PJ. I wonder if Mike was offended for the fans at the "eff em" comment, or if he was personally offended. Joke or not, the "eff em" wasnt necessary. The question wasnt " hey ed, some fans think your an ass and have different opinions then yours"> An " f-em" would be appropriate in that case. The question was something like " alot of your fanbase have different political views, whats your opinion on that?" 'F-em???' Another truly open minded liberal. Im sorry, backpedal all you want ed, that was uncalled for, and not in line with the question asked of you.

Lighten up, it was a joke

Sexy2aFault · July 2006

dg1979us wrote:

He would be fine if he were on the right show. Bill Maher isnt a show where people get shouted over like a cable news station. I dont think I have ever really seen him in a political discussion. I have seen him on stage giving his political opinion, and I have read interviews, but those arent in depth. I would like to see him where he has an outlet to be in depth, and Bill Maher's show was the first one that sprung to mind.

I don't think Ed has much more depth to be honest. Most of us don't, and that is OK. He may use words like "en masse" and "Omni-present" to seem more "researched" but he comes off as someone who has simply swallowed the opinions of his fave commentators just like the majority of us.. Ed is one of those people, not unlike Michael Moore and GW Bush, that polarize people with their presentation. I agree with most of what Ed says (along with Moore) but when he speaks condescendingly of people who disagree with him (like perhaps unintentionally suggesting they wear "blinders") it detracts from whatever point he is making.

I am also unsure of the productivity that would come from "The state of Mississppi", but who cares, it has a great melody! As always, I respect Ed's conviction and his willingness to express them. I am sure he will get his act down perfect as he gets more comfortable with his platform. He has potential to be a good spokesman for his cause. Though he did blow it by wearing them "blinders" in 2000 and dreaming of a Nader White House, that kind of screwed us in the A.

Skitch Patterson · July 2006

hippiemom wrote:

As chief justice, he in a way symbolizes a very conservative court. Also, without going over each individual ruling (I do legal research for a living, and it's a holiday weekend ... not doing it), he's agreed most often with the two most arch-conservative justices (Alito 87.5% and Scalia 77.5%), and least with Justice Stevens (35%), who Ed is probably a big fan of. I don't know if Ed had particular rulings in mind, or chose him because he's chief justice, but there's no question that for someone on the left there's plenty not to like there.

Thats what my point is though- It comes off as attacking him just for being a conservative justice and as a figurehead. I dont see where's done anything specifically that should have drawn ed's ire---- it comes off as a "i hate anythign conservative" ....

If he said Rumsfeld or Rice or anyone blatent, it would have fit a lot better.

hippiemom · July 2006

Skitch Patterson wrote:

Thats what my point is though- It comes off as attacking him just for being a conservative justice and as a figurehead. I dont see where's done anything specifically that should have drawn ed's ire---- it comes off as a "i hate anythign conservative" ....

If he said Rumsfeld or Rice or anyone blatent, it would have fit a lot better.

I see what you're saying. If I were going to single out a justice, it would definitely be Scalia ... he has such a long history now, that may have been more understandable to most of the viewers. Still, it hardly comes as a surprise that Ed hasn't liked and will continue not to like most of what comes out of the Roberts court.

Skitch Patterson · July 2006

hippiemom wrote:

I see what you're saying. If I were going to single out a justice, it would definitely be Scalia ... he has such a long history now, that may have been more understandable to most of the viewers. Still, it hardly comes as a surprise that Ed hasn't liked and will continue not to like most of what comes out of the Roberts court.

Not a surprise at all, but it kinda hurts his credibility as an open minded guy. Like I said, it came off to me (im a bit biased, i know) as an "i hate anything republican" as opposed to calling out the people that have done things to warrent being called out in song.

Carlos D · July 2006

Commy wrote:

question: What do you think of fans that may have different ideologies than you and the band?

Ed:Fuck em. Maybe it'll get them to ask questions, to get them to take their blinders off.

Such a sick response.

I don't agree with Ed's views on abortion,not even one bit.But I wouldn't say,''Fuck him,'' for having a different opinion.

PaperPlates · July 2006

hippiemom wrote:

Lighten up, it was a joke

I dont get it.

"Paperplates, what do you think of the liberal people on this board?"

"Fuck them"

Lighten up, that was a joke.

Get it?

kenny olav · July 2006

If Ed wasn't busy touring, I think he'd do some good to go on shows like Bill Maher's or even Bill O'Reilly's... holy shit... Ed on 'the Factor'... that would be HILARIOUS.

ryan198 · July 2006

Kenny Olav wrote:

If Ed wasn't busy touring, I think he'd do some good to go on shows like Bill Maher's or even Bill O'Reilly's... holy shit... Ed on 'the Factor'... that would be HILARIOUS.

Yes...while Eddie was mumblin' Bill O'Reilly would be speaking over him, telling him that he's the reason why 'Merica was in such a state of disrepair, etc. Eddie would finally get something out which totally refuted O'Relly's moronic banter, but Billy would be like "we're past that Eddie, now about gay marriage ..."

hippiemom · July 2006

PaperPlates wrote:

I dont get it.

"Paperplates, what do you think of the liberal people on this board?"

"Fuck them"

Lighten up, that was a joke.

Get it?

Did you say that with the same tone of voice and look in your eye that Ed had when he said it? If so ... yeah, I get it

Commy · July 2006

Sexy2aFault wrote:

I don't think Ed has much more depth to be honest. Most of us don't, and that is OK. He may use words like "en masse" and "Omni-present" to seem more "researched" but he comes off as someone who has simply swallowed the opinions of his fave commentators just like the majority of us.. Ed is one of those people, not unlike Michael Moore and GW Bush, that polarize people with their presentation. I agree with most of what Ed says (along with Moore) but when he speaks condescendingly of people who disagree with him (like perhaps unintentionally suggesting they wear "blinders") it detracts from whatever point he is making.

I am also unsure of the productivity that would come from "The state of Mississppi", but who cares, it has a great melody! As always, I respect Ed's conviction and his willingness to express them. I am sure he will get his act down perfect as he gets more comfortable with his platform. He has potential to be a good spokesman for his cause. Though he did blow it by wearing them "blinders" in 2000 and dreaming of a Nader White House, that kind of screwed us in the A.

Actually that's not true at all. See, there is right way to look at the world, and a wrong way. There's reality, and then there is a view seen through blinders.

All he did was said the war was wrong, killing babies, said the people that support the republican party are the ones most adversely afected by them. He spoke the truth...

And its not that its ED saying it...it sthat someone is saying it VH1...a media outlet. Someone saying the right things on a major tv outlet is always a positive step. Maybe it'll get someone to open a book..

PaperPlates · July 2006

Some words when spoken, cant be taken back.

hippiemom wrote:

Did you say that with the same tone of voice and look in your eye that Ed had when he said it? If so ... yeah, I get it

IDk, did you make the same face mike did when Ed made his "joke"?? Did mike just "not get it"? Ed backpedalled faster than a Kerry at a fund raiser.

Byrnzie · July 2006

dg1979us wrote:

Bill Maher or somebody of that nature needs to have Ed on next season. Everybody obviously knows his political stances, but I would love to see him on a show like that where he can get more in depth than he is able to in a concert setting.

I saw Chomsky on the Maher show and they simply interviewed him by way of satellite, and then allowed a couple of twats on the panel to insult him once he'd gone. They didn't give Chomsky a chance to defend himself and engage in reasoned debate. I thought it was bloody awful. Chomsky would have destoyed the twat who slagged him off for the remainder of the show. The best of Chomsky that I've seen is when he is placed in a debate with someone. He is brilliant in that situation. I don't think that Vedder, on the otherhand, is someone who likes confrontation. I can't imagine him faring too comfortably in the presence of some Bush backer. But then, who knows?

dg1979us · July 2006

Byrnzie wrote:

I saw Chomsky on the Maher show and they simply interviewed him by way of satellite, and then allowed a couple of twats on the panel to insult him once he'd gone. They didn't give Chomsky a chance to defend himself and engage in reasoned debate. I thought it was bloody awful. Chomsky would have destoyed the twat who slagged him off for the remainder of the show. The best of Chomsky that I've seen is when he is placed in a debate with someone. He is brilliant in that situation. I don't think that Vedder, on the otherhand, is someone who likes confrontation. I can't imagine him faring too comfortably in the presence of some Bush backer. But then, who knows?

They always have satelite guests and the reason Chomsky was on satelite is because he probably didnt want to be on the panel. So that isnt necessarily Maher's fault because I am sure he has invited Chomsky to be on the panel on numerous occasions.

And if he (I assume you mean Ed not Chomsky) cant be comfortable around Bush backers then to me that would indicate a lack of confidence in his beliefs. And quite frankly, I think Ed is probably really confident in his beliefs so I dont think that would be an issue.

El_Kabong · July 2006

PaperPlates wrote:

Well at least now maybe the "right wingers" know we have an ally in PJ. I wonder if Mike was offended for the fans at the "eff em" comment, or if he was personally offended. Joke or not, the "eff em" wasnt necessary. The question wasnt " hey ed, some fans think your an ass and have different opinions then yours"> An " f-em" would be appropriate in that case. The question was something like " alot of your fanbase have different political views, whats your opinion on that?" 'F-em???' Another truly open minded liberal. Im sorry, backpedal all you want ed, that was uncalled for, and not in line with the question asked of you.

And I thought Betterman was dedicated to the bastid that married his momma. Its a political song???????? hahahahaha ok ed.

hahahahaha maybe you should take a look at who mike gives money to!

http://opensecrets.org/indivs/search.asp?NumOfThou=0&txtName=mccready&txtState=%28all+states%29&txtZip=&txtEmploy=&txtCand=&txt2004=Y&Order=N

MCCREADY, MICHAEL
SEATTLE,WA 98144
SELF EMPLOYED/GUITAR PLAYER
8/31/2003
$1,500
Dean, Howard

MCCREADY, MICHAEL
SANTA MONICA,CA 90405
SELF-EMPLOYED/MUSICIAN
9/24/2004
$400
No Vote Left Behind

MCCREADY, MIKE
SANTA MONICA,CA 90405
PEARL JAM/MUSICIAN
10/9/2004
$1,116
America Coming Together

http://opensecrets.org/indivs/search.asp?NumOfThou=0&txtName=mccready&txtState=%28all+states%29&txtZip=&txtEmploy=&txtCand=&txt2000=Y&Order=N

MCCREADY, MICHAEL D MR
BELLEVUE,WA 98005
SELF-EMPLOYED/MUSICIAN
7/17/2000
$2,000
Nader, Ralph

pjalive21 · July 2006

El_Kabong wrote:

hahahahaha maybe you should take a look at who mike gives money to!

http://opensecrets.org/indivs/search.asp?NumOfThou=0&txtName=mccready&txtState=%28all+states%29&txtZip=&txtEmploy=&txtCand=&txt2004=Y&Order=N

MCCREADY, MICHAEL
SEATTLE,WA 98144
SELF EMPLOYED/GUITAR PLAYER
8/31/2003
$1,500
Dean, Howard

MCCREADY, MICHAEL
SANTA MONICA,CA 90405
SELF-EMPLOYED/MUSICIAN
9/24/2004
$400
No Vote Left Behind

MCCREADY, MIKE
SANTA MONICA,CA 90405
PEARL JAM/MUSICIAN
10/9/2004
$1,116
America Coming Together

http://opensecrets.org/indivs/search.asp?NumOfThou=0&txtName=mccready&txtState=%28all+states%29&txtZip=&txtEmploy=&txtCand=&txt2000=Y&Order=N

MCCREADY, MICHAEL D MR
BELLEVUE,WA 98005
SELF-EMPLOYED/MUSICIAN
7/17/2000
$2,000
Nader, Ralph

impressive how you got this info...or should i say scary?

PonderingMyMaker · July 2006

hippiemom wrote:

As chief justice, he in a way symbolizes a very conservative court. Also, without going over each individual ruling (I do legal research for a living, and it's a holiday weekend ... not doing it), he's agreed most often with the two most arch-conservative justices (Alito 87.5% and Scalia 77.5%), and least with Justice Stevens (35%), who Ed is probably a big fan of. I don't know if Ed had particular rulings in mind, or chose him because he's chief justice, but there's no question that for someone on the left there's plenty not to like there.

You (or Ed) may disagree with Roberts (supposed) stance on abortion but...if you take an objective look at Robert's career, accomplishments, personal life and still dislike him...I would submit that you're not a very good judge of character.

Milhouse VanHouten · July 2006

Kenny Olav wrote:

If Ed wasn't busy touring, I think he'd do some good to go on shows like Bill Maher's or even Bill O'Reilly's... holy shit... Ed on 'the Factor'... that would be HILARIOUS.

I still can't for the life of me understand why anyone who actually wanted to have a real debate on any topic would go on Bill O'Reilly's show.

I also would love to see Ed on The Daily Show. I'm kind of surprised that it hasn't happened yet. It would have been great if he'd appeared in 2004 during the Vote For Change tour.

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