Mos Def Arrested While Performing 'Katrina Clap' outside the VMAs
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            SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:cant seem to answer yours????
 im pretty sure i answered it in post #45 of this thread.....i said YES!!!
 they forgot??
 they didnt know???
 or just decided to pay a fine???
 now i wouldnt call what they did stupid......i would call it illegal....and that is why they were arrested.....
 Do you really think the city would have granted Mos Def a permit to perform across the street of a venue that already had a couple thousand people in it? NO... Should he have been arrested... if only he refused to disperse after he was told to... doesnt sound like they asked him to leave first.10.31.93 / 10.1.94 / 6.24.95 / 11.4.95 / 10.19-20.96 / 7.16.98 / 7.21.98 / 10.31.00 /8.4.01 Nader Rally/ 10.21.01 / 12.8-9.02 / 6.01.03 / 9.1.05 / 7.15-16,18.06 / 7.20.06 / 7.22-23.06 / Lolla 070
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            SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:cant seem to answer yours????
 im pretty sure i answered it in post #45 of this thread.....i said YES!!!
 they forgot??
 they didnt know???
 or just decided to pay a fine???
 now i wouldnt call what they did stupid......i would call it illegal....and that is why they were arrested.....
 Are you serious!? You know they wouldn't arrest Madonna or Clay Aiken. Well, I'll just have to disagree with you then.If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
 Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
 -Oscar Wilde0
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            too add im glad he got arrested and it may have even been planned... I had no idea his new album was coming out on the 19th of this month, now I do... plus it gives some much needed attention to Katrina...10.31.93 / 10.1.94 / 6.24.95 / 11.4.95 / 10.19-20.96 / 7.16.98 / 7.21.98 / 10.31.00 /8.4.01 Nader Rally/ 10.21.01 / 12.8-9.02 / 6.01.03 / 9.1.05 / 7.15-16,18.06 / 7.20.06 / 7.22-23.06 / Lolla 070
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            Abookamongstthemany wrote:Are you serious!? You know they wouldn't arrest Madonna or Clay Aiken. Well, I'll just have to disagree with you then.
 Clay!!! You coming with us!!! :rolleyes: yeah right 10.31.93 / 10.1.94 / 6.24.95 / 11.4.95 / 10.19-20.96 / 7.16.98 / 7.21.98 / 10.31.00 /8.4.01 Nader Rally/ 10.21.01 / 12.8-9.02 / 6.01.03 / 9.1.05 / 7.15-16,18.06 / 7.20.06 / 7.22-23.06 / Lolla 070 10.31.93 / 10.1.94 / 6.24.95 / 11.4.95 / 10.19-20.96 / 7.16.98 / 7.21.98 / 10.31.00 /8.4.01 Nader Rally/ 10.21.01 / 12.8-9.02 / 6.01.03 / 9.1.05 / 7.15-16,18.06 / 7.20.06 / 7.22-23.06 / Lolla 070
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            dg1979us wrote:The beatles were on the roof of a private building, that is a little different then being on a public street. And the fact of the matter is this song and its message is getting much more notoriety because of his arrest, so I dont even see his arrest as a bad thing really.
 I think it's a good thing for the song and cause, as well. But I don't like how the cops handled it at all.If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
 Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
 -Oscar Wilde0
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            Abookamongstthemany wrote:Are you serious!? You know they wouldn't arrest Madonna or Clay Aiken. Well, I'll just have to disagree with you then.
 How do you know that? You are arguing a hypothetical with no basis and trying to make it a race issue it seems. The fact of the matter is he broke a law, and if he thought he would just have to pay a fine, then he knew he was breaking a law. Dont get me wrong, it wouldnt have bothered me a bit if the cops just broke it up, but your implying things that you have absolutely no way of backing up because they are purely hypothetical.0
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 go read the lyrics to this song the articulate genius mos def wrote....Abookamongstthemany wrote:Leaks.
 You are assuming things based on your prejudice. No where has reported anything like this. I've read he complied with no problems.
 Now all rappers have to hate the police....geez, stereotype much? is that all you know how to talk in?
 it is titled....MR. NIGGA.......
 the articulate genius mos def basically calls every police officer a racist....
 did someone say stereotype???Take me piece by piece.....
 Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....0
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            Abookamongstthemany wrote:I think it's a good thing for the song and cause, as well. But I don't like how the cops handled it at all.
 Thats fine and perfectly reasonable, but I dont think this is much of an issue at all.0
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            SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:go read the lyrics to this song the articulate genius mos def wrote....
 it is titled....MR. NIGGA.......
 the articulate genius mos def basically calls every police officer a racist....
 did someone say stereotype???
 whats good for the goose, is rarely good for the gander, with some people at least. Try to point that out subtly, and you're baiting. Try to use extreme statments to point out the ridiculousness of their argument, and you get banned. Try to present them with facts, they simply dismiss them. Sad really.Why go home
 www.myspace.com/jensvad0
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            Skitch Patterson wrote:Yeah, and you're just as guilty as the guy who said Mos Def was a thug
 you should see these white kids i see at the mall....i'm about to move to a black neighborhood where it's safer!Do you remember Rock & Roll Radio?0
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            SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:go read the lyrics to this song the articulate genius mos def wrote....
 it is titled....MR. NIGGA.......
 the articulate genius mos def basically calls every police officer a racist....
 did someone say stereotype???
 The police actually do act racist alot and it is a problem that sould be addressed. Where does Mos Def say ALL police are racist or are you putting your own twist to it? And even if Mos Def was the biggest stereotypical person alive, he still should have treated this way by the police.If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
 Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
 -Oscar Wilde0
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            SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:go read the lyrics to this song the articulate genius mos def wrote....
 it is titled....MR. NIGGA.......
 the articulate genius mos def basically calls every police officer a racist....
 did someone say stereotype???
 Say ho everybody say ho
 bop po quay yo
 I said shake your soul like way back in the day yo
 bop po quay yo everybody say ho
 Everybody say hooooo hooo
 Everybody say ho
 And check it out now
 Who is cat eating out on the town
 And make the whole dining room turn they head around
 Mr Nigga Nigga Nigga
 He got the speakers in the trunk
 With the bass on pump(?)
 Who be riding up in the highrise elevator
 Other tenants who be praying they ain't the new neighbor
 Mr Nigga, Nigga Nigga
 They try to play him like a chump
 Cause he got what they want
 He under thirty years old
 But already he's a pro
 Designer trousers slung low
 Because his pockets stay swoll'
 Could afford to get up and be anywhere he go
 VIP at the club, backstage at the show
 (Yes y'all) the best crib, the best clothes
 Hottest whips on the road
 Neck and wrists on froze (say word)
 Checks with O's o-o-o-o-ohs
 Straight all across the globe
 Watch got three time-zones
 Keep a digital phone up to his dome
 Two assistants
 Two bank accounts, two homes
 One problem
 Even with the O's on his check
 The po-po stop him and show no respect
 "Is there a problem officer?"
 Damn straight, it's called race
 That motivate the jake (woo-woo) to give chase
 Say they want you successful, but that ain't the case
 You livin large, your skin is dark
 They flash a light in your face
 Now, who is cat dining out on the town
 Me'tradie wanna take a whole year to sit him down
 Mr Nigga, Nigga Nigga
 He got the speakers in the trunk
 With the bass on pump(?)
 Now, who is the cat at Armani buying wears
 With the tourists who be asking him, do you work here?
 Mr Nigga, Nigga Nigga
 Nigga Nigga
 Yo, the Abstract with the Mighty Mos Def
 White folks got it muffled across beneath they breathe
 "I didn't say it.."
 But they'll say it out loud again
 When they deal with their close associates and friends
 You know
 Sneak it in with they friends at the job
 Happy hour at the bar
 While this song is in they car
 And even if they've never said it, lips stay sealed
 Their actions reveal how their hearts really feel
 Like, late night I'm on a first class flight
 The only brother in sight
 The flight attendent catch fright
 I sit down in my seat, 2C
 She approach officially talking about, "Excuse me"
 Her lips curl up into a tight space
 She don't believe that I'm in the right place
 Showed her my boarding pass,
 And then she sort of gasped
 All embarrassed put an extra lime in my water glass
 An hour later here she comes by walking past
 "I hate to be a pest but my son would love your autograph"
 They stay on Nigga patrol on american roads
 And when you travel abroad they got world Nigga laws
 Some folks get on a plane go as they please
 But I go over seas and I get over siezed
 London-Heathro, me and my people
 They think that illegal's a synonym for Negro
 Far away places, customs agents flagrant
 They think the dark face is smuggle waiting in cases
 Bags inspected, now we arrested
 Attention directed to contents of our intestines
 Urinanalyis followed by X-rays
 Interegated and detained to damn near the next day
 No evidence, no appology and no regard
 Even for the big american rap star
 For us especially, us most especially,
 A Mr Nigga VIP jail cell just for me
 "If I knew you were coming I'd have baked a cake
 Just got some shoe-polish, painted my face"
 They say they want you successful
 But then they make it stressful
 You start keeping pace, they start shaking up the tempo
 Now, who is cat riding out on the town
 State trooper want to stop in his ride, pat him down
 Mr Nigga, Nigga Nigga
 He got the speakers in the trunk
 With the bass on pump(?)
 Now, who is the cat with the hundred dollar bill
 They gotta send it to the back to make sure the shit is real
 Mr Nigga, Nigga Nigga
 Nigga Nigga Nigga
 You can laugh and criticize Michael Jackson if you wanna
 Woody Allen, molested and married his step-daughter
 Same press kicking dirt on Michael's name
 Show Woody and Soon-Ye at the playoff game, holding hands
 Sit back and just bug, think about that
 Would he get that type of dap if his name was Woody Black?
 OJ found innocent by a jury of his peers
 They been fucking with that Nigga for last five years
 Is it fair, is it equal, is it just, is it right?
 Do they do the same shit when the defendent face is white?
 If white boys doing it, well, it's success
 When I start doing, well, it's suspect
 Don't hate me, my folks is poor, I just got money
 America's five centuries deep in cotton money
 You see a lot of brothers caked up, yo straight up
 It's new, Y'all living off of slave traders paper
 But I'm a live though, yo I'm a live though
 Putting up the big swing for my kids yo
 Got my mom the fat water-front crib yo
 I'm a get her them pretty bay windows
 I'm a cop a nice home to provide in
 A safe environment for seeds to reside in
 A fresh whip for my whole family to ride in
 And if I'm still Mr Nigga, I won't find it suprising
 yeah, he's a fucking poet.
 If it walks like a thug, talks like a thug, smells like a thug, and walks like a thug..............its usually a thug.Why go home
 www.myspace.com/jensvad0
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            SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:go read the lyrics to this song the articulate genius mos def wrote....
 it is titled....MR. NIGGA.......
 the articulate genius mos def basically calls every police officer a racist....
 did someone say stereotype???
 No where does he say every cop is racist... he clearly explains the problem of racial profiling, which happens everyday...10.31.93 / 10.1.94 / 6.24.95 / 11.4.95 / 10.19-20.96 / 7.16.98 / 7.21.98 / 10.31.00 /8.4.01 Nader Rally/ 10.21.01 / 12.8-9.02 / 6.01.03 / 9.1.05 / 7.15-16,18.06 / 7.20.06 / 7.22-23.06 / Lolla 070
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            PaperPlates wrote:Laws are laws, and rules are rules, why should anyone be exempt>?
 this is soooooo funny coming from you!standin above the crowd
 he had a voice that was strong and loud and
 i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
 eager to identify with
 someone above the crowd
 someone who seemed to feel the same
 someone prepared to lead the way0
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            Abookamongstthemany wrote:The police actually do act racist alot and it is a problem that sould be addressed. Where does Mos Def say ALL police are racist or are you putting your own twist to it? And even if Mos Def was the biggest stereotypical person alive, he still should have treated this way by the police.
 You dont have any evidence of racism. I certainly agree that racism is still a problem and many cops certainly have racist tendencies, but because a black person is arrested for breaking a law does not automatically equate to racism.0
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            PaperPlates wrote:yeah, he's a fucking poet.
 If it walks like a thug, talks like a thug, smells like a thug, and walks like a thug..............its usually a thug.
 If you dont think racial profiling doesnt happen or exist you are in need of some serious help...10.31.93 / 10.1.94 / 6.24.95 / 11.4.95 / 10.19-20.96 / 7.16.98 / 7.21.98 / 10.31.00 /8.4.01 Nader Rally/ 10.21.01 / 12.8-9.02 / 6.01.03 / 9.1.05 / 7.15-16,18.06 / 7.20.06 / 7.22-23.06 / Lolla 070
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            MasterModeler wrote:No where does he say every cop is racist... he clearly explains the problem of racial profiling, which happens everyday...
 Much like he clearly states that whitey may not say it in the open, but when we are behind closed doors we call "them" the n word.
 Its far more likely, that behind closed doors, he's most likely more racist than most "whitey's".
 Just ask Chris Rock> The most racist people on earth, are old black men. Why go home Why go home
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            SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:well you tell me.....
 did the beatles or U2 break any laws????
 mos def was given a summons for operating a sound reproduction device without a permit....
 yes...the beatles had their rooftop performance shut down by the police...not only did they not have a permit but for disturbing the peace...no arrests were made, they were told to stop and eventually they did...the u2 video i mentioned was based on this event...if you recall it starts w/ them in top of a building, the police telling them to stop and bono saying 'we're being shut down'
 yes, we've established he was given a summons...where was he given this summons? the police station? how did he get there? was in handcuffs when he arrived? to me, that is being arrestedstandin above the crowd
 he had a voice that was strong and loud and
 i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
 eager to identify with
 someone above the crowd
 someone who seemed to feel the same
 someone prepared to lead the way0
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 in this thread YOU have been referred to as....a rascist,a bigot,a troll,and ignorant.......PaperPlates wrote:whats good for the goose, is rarely good for the gander, with some people at least. Try to point that out subtly, and you're baiting. Try to use extreme statments to point out the ridiculousness of their argument, and you get banned. Try to present them with facts, they simply dismiss them. Sad really.
 YOU have also been told that you have your head up your ass.....
 i love it........heheheheheTake me piece by piece.....
 Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....0
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            PaperPlates wrote:Much like he clearly states that whitey may not say it in the open, but when we are behind closed doors we call "them" the n word.
 Its far more likely, that behind closed doors, he's most likely more racist than most "whitey's".
 Just ask Chris Rock> The most racist people on earth, are old black men. 
 So you dont think its true that white people use the n word they are alone? Please tell me you are not this ignorant...10.31.93 / 10.1.94 / 6.24.95 / 11.4.95 / 10.19-20.96 / 7.16.98 / 7.21.98 / 10.31.00 /8.4.01 Nader Rally/ 10.21.01 / 12.8-9.02 / 6.01.03 / 9.1.05 / 7.15-16,18.06 / 7.20.06 / 7.22-23.06 / Lolla 070
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