If you're racist and you know it, VOTE McCAIN

Pj_Gurl wrote:

Senator McCain. How quickly we forget.

"I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."

Not to mention Palin calling the Iraq war a task from God, essentially meaning killing Muslims was a task from God... unless someone else wants to say otherwise?

digster wrote:

Just because he said it doesn't make it true. Three of the most important swing-states are Pennsylvania, Ohio and Michigan, and these states all have substantial amounts of working-class rural areas where that racism that permeated the Democratic primaries ran rampant according to polls. Is any Democrat, Republican or Independent honestly going to say that there will not be a substantial and possibly game-changing result due to these prejudices? And before someone comes back with saying "well, black people are voting for Obama. That's racist also." The problem with this is that white voters made up 77% of the last presidential electorate, and that percentage will probably not decrease extremely significantly despite Obama's new voters.

problem is, there's no way to counter it. if someone votes for mccain because he doesn't want to vote for a black person........what are you going to do? this election really sucks balls, if you think about it. if obama loses, people are going to scream "it's because he's black!" and if mccain loses, people are going to scream "it's because he had a woman on his ticket!" not everyone will be saying that, but that's what will make the news.

i still haven't fully comitted to either one of them. i might take a break this election, it all depends on how the debates go.

BetterThanYou wrote:

problem is, there's no way to counter it. if someone votes for mccain because he doesn't want to vote for a black person........what are you going to do? this election really sucks balls, if you think about it. if obama loses, people are going to scream "it's because he's black!" and if mccain loses, people are going to scream "it's because he had a woman on his ticket!" not everyone will be saying that, but that's what will make the news.

i still haven't fully comitted to either one of them. i might take a break this election, it all depends on how the debates go.

Of course, there'll be no way to ever tell for sure. The one way I would be pretty sure of a loss based upon race would be the so-called "Bradley effect", which is named after an African-American mayor of Los Angeles who ran for Governor in California. He was consistently and solidly leading his white opponent, but then found on election he had lost by an equally solid margin. White voters turned out for him far less than expected, and the polls that showed him in a solid lead were all wrong? Doubtful.

If Obama leads by 5+ points, nationally or in swing states, and loses by more than 2 to 3 points, what other explanation would there be? Suddenly the electorate, despite a presumably large voter turnout, decided that he was not equpped enough? There are going to be a fair amount of people who will not publicly state their prejudices but will just be unwilling to vote for a black man. We're only forty years from the end of legislated segregation; is it so surprising that there will still be pervasive racism?

know1 wrote:

Honestly, in this campaign the only racists I've seen have been associated with Obama.

And the Clintons.

chopitdown wrote:

i think it's racist that they are talking about obama at a "brown-bag" lunch. Why do they insert color or race in to everything? It's kinda funny, in everyday conversations I hear more Obama supporters saying race is playing a role than I hear McCain supporters. Once again, some democrats are looking to try to play the victim card somehow and keep it in their back pockets in case they lose.
At the end of the day both candidates will have people who vote for or against them based on race and a lot more people that vote for or against them based on policy.

you mean the way the republicans are playing the victim card by refusing to allow their VP to do interviews because the big bad media is being too mean to their delicate female candidate? they've been screaming sexism every chance they get :rolleyes:

of course mccain supporters aren't going to talk about race being an issue. nobody wants to seem racist.

i don't think it's that big a deal, but it is a legitimate concern and the fact that it is uncomfortable for a lot of people to admit or consider doesn't mean racism doesn't exist.

RainDog wrote:

Obama is running as the Democratic candidate for president. As the black vote tends to go Democratic by huge margins no matter who's at the top of the ticket, I'm not so sure they're just voting for him because he's black.

As I said before, it's a way of side-stepping the issue, because people, including McCain supporters, want to make it seem like the numbers of race-based voters (including whites voting against Obama and blacks voting for McCain), will "balance themselves out"; these vote tallies would likely be close enough that it'll make the entire race-based electorate meaningless. That's complete BS. The electorate in the 2004 race was 77% white voters, and I don't believe that number has dropped below 75 for any presidential race in recent memory. So even if Obama brings out this groundswell of black voters, it'll still mean that about 72% of the electorate will be white voters. And if 12% of that section of the electorate decides who to vote for President for based on race (as they publicly admitted in the Democratic primaries), then it's hard to see anyway Obama could win this. Saying racial votes for McCain and racial votes for Obama will cancel each other out is a nice way of avoiding the issue, but it's just not true.

chiefojibwa wrote:

i was just talking to my wife about this. IF, and i think it's a big if at this point, but IF mcsame pulls this one off it will be because obama is black.

Could be. Unfortunately we'll never know because there is no way to prove anything. It could also be that the dems have no idea how to run an effective national campaign. They should have had a slam dunk w/ Gore as the encumbant running against a dimwit. They should have had a slam dunk w/ Kerry running against that same dimwit who didn't have a great approval rating and had already screwed things up. Just a reminder, both of these guys were white. So just because the dems should have a slam dunk with a candidate doesn't mean it will happen. They are phenomenal at taking a lead in to the final stretch and losing it.

chiefojibwa wrote:

i was just talking to my wife about this. IF, and i think it's a big if at this point, but IF mcsame pulls this one off it will be because obama is black.

I think the fact that he likes to steal all kinds of $ from people that work and give it to those that don't will play a bigger part.