'I' am not consciousness

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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I see, so you just don't like reality, so you deny it?

    no. who said i didnt like reality. what i don't like is other people and their collective and individual bullshit. and i don't deny it. i acknowledge it and take steps to distance myself from it.
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  • sicnevol
    sicnevol Posts: 180
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Imagine this. In order for me to know what I think, or to know how I act, I must be self-aware. This is what we call consciousness.

    But, 'I' am not my consciousness. 'I' am what 'I' am conscious of. 'I' am in no way my awareness of what 'I' am, but rather 'I' am what 'I' am aware of.
    ou should read the Path of the middle way, The buddha figured this out thousands of years ago,,,,,
    That's two things we've got, Tape and Time.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    no. who said i didnt like reality. what i don't like is other people and their collective and individual bullshit. and i don't deny it. i acknowledge it and take steps to distance myself from it.

    Like I said, if you want to try it yourself, you can easily alter your consciousness or terminate it temporarily. I bet you terminate your consciousness every night when you go to sleep. I don't see why you are so apprehensive to the science of the human mind.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • sicnevol
    sicnevol Posts: 180
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Like I said, if you want to try it yourself, you can easily alter your consciousness or terminate it temporarily. I bet you terminate your consciousness every night when you go to sleep. I don't see why you are so apprehensive to the science of the human mind.
    because it disances him for the "self" he has always know. If this self is some weird brain abnormality, then he isn't really him. Hard to describe, but thats why he is apprehensive.....


    sorry to butt in
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    sicnevol wrote:
    because it disances him for the "self" he has always know. If this self is some weird brain abnormality, then he isn't really him. Hard to describe, but thats why he is apprehensive.....


    sorry to butt in
    "she"
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  • sicnevol
    sicnevol Posts: 180
    angelica wrote:
    "she"
    ahh, Cough, sorry, `"she " here as well
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    sicnevol wrote:
    ahh, Cough, sorry, `"she " here as well
    Oh, pardon me, I'm just confusing myself. :)
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  • sicnevol
    sicnevol Posts: 180
    angelica wrote:
    Oh, pardon me, I'm just confusing myself. :)
    which self are you confusing? the inner or the outer?


    Sorry its a psyc joke
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    sicnevol wrote:
    which self are you confusing? the inner or the outer?


    Sorry its a psyc joke
    The "I" is confusing "my" "self". Which is inner and which is outer?? I can never tell anymore. ;)
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    sicnevol wrote:
    ou should read the Path of the middle way, The buddha figured this out thousands of years ago,,,,,

    I know this, many many people have figured it out. Democritus, Leucippus, Jesus Christ, etc..
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    sicnevol wrote:
    because it disances him for the "self" he has always know. If this self is some weird brain abnormality, then he isn't really him. Hard to describe, but thats why he is apprehensive.....


    sorry to butt in

    I'm interested to know why a person can't just accept reality and work with it. It's not that hard.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I'm interested to know why a person can't just accept reality and work with it. It's not that hard.
    What is reality here, Ahnimus? The theory? Or what we experience?
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    angelica wrote:
    What is reality here, Ahnimus? The theory? Or what we experience?

    Well I think I've consistently shown that reality isn't what you experience. So, it must be something else.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Well I think I've consistently shown that reality isn't what you experience. So, it must be something else.
    Are you avoiding the question?
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Like I said, if you want to try it yourself, you can easily alter your consciousness or terminate it temporarily. I bet you terminate your consciousness every night when you go to sleep. I don't see why you are so apprehensive to the science of the human mind.

    in all honesty ryan, i dont know what happens to my consciousness when i sleep.
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    angelica wrote:
    Are you avoiding the question?

    No, I answered your question. It is not what you experience.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • sicnevol
    sicnevol Posts: 180
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Well I think I've consistently shown that reality isn't what you experience. So, it must be something else.
    so what is that something else?
    That's two things we've got, Tape and Time.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    in all honesty ryan, i dont know what happens to my consciousness when i sleep.

    I do :p

    It gets anasthesized by chemical. Some hallucinagens like dimethyltryptamine that cause you to dream.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    No, I answered your question. It is not what you experience.
    When you, or I and say catefrances are sitting here having a debate, what is real? Is the theory of the brain more real than us sitting here having experiences as humans?
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • sicnevol
    sicnevol Posts: 180
    Ahnimus wrote:
    No, I answered your question. It is not what you experience.
    so what is it? you can;t describe somethign by saying what it is not.

    Here's an example. your cat is not blue. Doesn't give me any information about the cat does it?
    That's two things we've got, Tape and Time.

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