Controversies of the Mind

Purple Hawk wrote:

i'm afraid I missed the beauty of the post..can anyone dumb it down and highlight the point?

Are you talking about ClimberInOz's point? The point is we don't have absolutes, or definite absolute facts. It's more about probabilities. Science is always changing, and the facts are being looked at differently all the time. Highlight: We're moving from the old mechanistic view of exactness into the quantum view of probabilities.

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Purple Hawk wrote:

actually, science isn't changhing, science is a process of testing falsifiable hyphotheses...but it's saturday night, and I'm REALLY questioning myself for getting into this at this point

of course science isn't changing...human understanding of science is what is changing.

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Taken from 'What the Bleep!? Down the Rabbit Hole' which I watched last night and loved!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN_Y5CnsokQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDIqNTDi96I

Trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNbsPtTmlgA

I love the one physicist in the "What the Bleep" movies. Fred Alan Wolf. He went beyond his physics background to become also an expert in consciousness. http://fredalanwolf.blogspot.com/ or http://www.fredalanwolf.com/#AK

"If we look at the field of psychology 120 years ago, you will find that many models of human behavior were based on the then current understanding of the physical world. Freud in particular used mechanics as a means to explain motivation and desire. In fact a lot of human behavior was based on the mechanical view so that even today we emphasize the mechanical cause and effect way of thinking about the human body. This has met with a great deal of success, but with the advent of Chinese medical systems and Indian metaphysics something new has been added. This new addition cannot be explained by Newtonian mechanics. It involves the subjective world--a world we each must live in whether or not we like it. This world involves what we call today in quantum physics the observer. According to quantum physics, even though we know that the observer plays a major role in putting together what we observe as reality, we cannot find the observer inside of the body. Hence we find through quantum physics a bridge connecting the subjective universe with the objective universe.
Those of us in the Bleep movie see this connection as something very important and worth talking about and doing research on. Many scientists are satisfied with merely doing research on the objective world even though they know full well that a complementarity principle exists in which the observer can change what is observed. "


I love your new signature quotes, Abook.

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Thanks

You see this problem going on all the time on the board. If someone has an idea or thought that isn't already widely accepted they're treated as if they are crazy. It's as if to say there can be no new ways of seeing anything past their own noses because society is comfortable with it that way. How short sighted. I would never sell myself short like that and block out the room for infinite possibilities to exist.

this is uncomfortable, but I agree with every single sentence! DAMNIT!

I think you underestimate people here...i think people that post here (not people in general, unfortunately) can see past their own nose...again, i think it's funny...people who are genuinely passionate about politics have so much in common, but are so far apart when it comes to ideology. those of us on the right are just as distrustful of institutions and government as you guys are...anyways, it's the same thing i've been ranting...we all have many more agreements, than disagreements...only if you can get over your hatred of capitalism