“Cheney’s fondest pipe dream” ....War with Iran

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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,249
    Robert Fisk is a veteran war correspondent and one of the world"s most experienced journalists covering the Middle East. He has reported from across the Arab world for the past thirty years. He was in Iraq in the 1980s during the Iran-Iraq war, in the early 1990s during the Persian Gulf War and most recently during the U.S. invasion and occupation. He has also reported on the civil wars in Algeria and Lebanon, the Iranian revolution, the Russian invasion of Afghanistan, and Israel"s occupation of Gaza and the West Bank.
    AMY GOODMAN: Robert Fisk, we have thirty seconds. What would happen if the US attacked Iran?

    ROBERT FISK: Hell disaster again. You try to get out of one war by starting another. I think the Iranians would find some way of hitting back, and it would not be the same kind of war, you see. We're not talking about a land war. We're talking about bombarding it. And the Iranians, both as a people, as well as all the mullahs, they would want to hit back again. It would be a war. It wouldn't stop there. You can't say, “OK, we're going to stop bombarding. It will carry on.” That's a problem.

    Taken from an interview with Robert Fisk on Osama bin Laden at 50, Iraqi Death Squads and Why the Middle East is More Dangerous Now Than in Past 30 Years

    I find it odd that a majority of the terrorist attackers on 9/II our greatest attack on the homeland were from Saudi Arabia and nowhere can I find something saying we may consider attacking or to investigate Saudi Arabia.

    We went straight to Afghanistan then Saddam in IRAQ and now IRAN. The US is looking so very impressive in the eyes of the world.

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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    jlew24asu wrote:
    are you american?

    I certainly dont think its ok for Iran to assist in killing US troops.


    no im not american. and i fail to see what that has to do with anything anyway. if you dont want your troops shot at, blown up or killed then you don't invade countries. tis so so simple.

    and i don't think it's ok for american troops, or any other country's troops for that matter, to be killing iraqis.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    catefrances wrote:
    no im not american. and i fail to see what that has to do with anything anyway. if you dont want your troops shot at, blown up or killed then you don't invade countries. tis so so simple.

    and i don't think it's ok for american troops, or any other country's troops for that matter, to be killing iraqis.

    it matters because I do not think its ok for Iran to be assiting in killing american troops. since we invaded, you think its ok.

    we didnt invade Iran, we invaded Iraq. why is it ok for Iran to interfere?

    it truly sickens me that you dont see that as a problem. hell, even eddie supports the troops.
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,249
    jlew24asu wrote:
    it matters because I do not think its ok for Iran to be assiting in killing american troops. since we invaded, you think its ok.

    we didnt invade Iran, we invaded Iraq. why is it ok for Iran to interfere?

    it truly sickens me that you dont see that as a problem. hell, even eddie supports the troops.

    Again why don't we go after Saudi Arabia they're fighters coming from that coutry who are killing Ameicans too. I don't see us attacking SA.

    Just because a weapon found in Iraq that supposedly says it's from Iran doesn't mean Iran sent it to Iraq.
    AMY GOODMAN: The Lieberman-sponsored resolution condemning Iranians fighting in Iraq for killing US soldiers, but then the report coming out that there are more Saudi fighters in Iraq than Iranian fighters.

    NIR ROSEN: It’s difficult for me to understand why the Shias would need Iranian fighters. Iraqis are very good at killing, as we’ve seen. Shias were in the army. They were the majority of the army. Shias were in the Fedayeen Saddam, as well. And they’ve been very eager to fight the Americans -- the Mahdi Army, other groups.

    So Iran might be sponsoring various Shia militias, of course. It has its own proxies in Iraq: the Supreme Council, one of our main allies, the Dawa Party, one of our main allies, the Sadr Movement to a lesser extent, and, of course, some of the Kurdish parties, as well. Iran has a very good relationship with various Iraqi movements.

    I am skeptical that they are actually sending fighters to Iraq. I just don’t see the need for it. Iraqis are very well trained. They might be sending some weapons. But then again, there’s also a black market in weapons, so just because a weapon is Iranian doesn’t mean that it’s necessarily been sold by Iran. Various groups use American weapons. It doesn’t mean that the Americans are arming people, although, in fact, we are arming militias.

    I mean, it’s very hypocritical for the US to complain about any foreign intervention in Iraq in the first place, given that we occupied Iraq and destroyed it, and now we’re arming Sunni militias in various neighborhoods, making the situation much worse. In various Sunni neighborhoods of Baghdad, we’re creating our own militias. We are the ones who armed the police and the army, who are, in effect, controlled by a sectarian Shia militia. So it’s absurd to take the American accusations seriously, except that they are intending to go to war against Iran.

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    g under p wrote:
    Again why don't we go after Saudi Arabia they're fighters coming from that coutry who are killing Ameicans too. I don't see us attacking SA.

    Just because a weapon found in Iraq that supposedly says it's from Iran doesn't mean Iran sent it to Iraq.


    Peace


    thats a very good point. fuck the saudis. those saudi fighters should be killed when they enter Iraq.. but I dont want war with saudia arabia. or Iran.
  • meme
    meme Posts: 4,695
    jlew24asu wrote:
    it matters because I do not think its ok for Iran to be assiting in killing american troops. since we invaded, you think its ok.

    we didnt invade Iran, we invaded Iraq. why is it ok for Iran to interfere?

    it truly sickens me that you dont see that as a problem. hell, even eddie supports the troops.

    Are you an American?
    Did you know you owe your independence largely to the intervention of another country?
    France, go figure...
    ... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    jlew24asu wrote:
    it matters because I do not think its ok for Iran to be assiting in killing american troops. since we invaded, you think its ok.

    we didnt invade Iran, we invaded Iraq. why is it ok for Iran to interfere?

    it truly sickens me that you dont see that as a problem. hell, even eddie supports the troops.

    why is it okay for the US to invade iraq?

    i do see a problem. US interference.

    i don't give a fucking shit what eddie vedder supports. that's his prerogative. and nothing whatsoever to do with me.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    meme wrote:
    Are you an American?
    Did you know you owe your independence largely to the intervention of another country?
    France, go figure...

    Iran is denying it is involved in Iraq. the US and Iraq government claim to have evidence to prove it. he said she said. but the fact remains US troops are getting killed by forces other than pissed off Iraqis.

    and France openly helped America...... 300 hundred years ago.

    nice comparison
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    catefrances wrote:
    why is it okay for the US to invade iraq?
    i do see a problem. US interference.

    i don't give a fucking shit what eddie vedder supports. that's his prerogative. and nothing whatsoever to do with me.
    it's not. no one is saying it is.
    i'm done talking to you. you make me sick
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

    IRAN IS COOPERATING WITH INSPECTIONS AGAIN!
    But we wouldn't know that, since they don't report REAL news in America.
    Only what they want you to know!

    :(

    this is the exact reason why I think war will be avoided. If Iran cooperates with the IAEA, there is no reason to go to war. no country in the world would support bush/cheney if that happened. nor would its people. and bush is only in office a short time and doesnt have time to prepare for an invasion and then leave it to a new american president.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    jlew24asu wrote:
    it's not. no one is saying it is.
    i'm done talking to you. you make me sick

    mission accomplished. ;):p
    dont get pissed off at me cause your government is screwing you over.
    not once have i said tis okay for anyone to be doing any killing. but the way you go on you seem ignorant of the fact that when you invade a soveriegn nation there's a chance they have friends that feel the need to help resist that invasion.
    and to top it off you're rather indignant about it all, as if i've slighted you personally.
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    jlew24asu wrote:

    we didnt invade Iran, we invaded Iraq. why is it ok for Iran to interfere?

    when you look at the premise for the invasion.....and the fact that it has been debunked, and the occupation continues....and the fact that it was an illegal invasion, with no international support......and the US has called Iran a part of the axis of evil and has massive armies right next door to Iran...now the US is using the same tactics to gain support for strikes against Iran (fear of WMD).....I would have to ask the opposite - Why ISN'T it ok for Iran to interfere?


    and I can't believe you called cate "hunny". I dont' know if I should laugh or call you names....
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    catefrances wrote:
    mission accomplished. ;):p
    dont get pissed off at me cause your government is screwing you over.
    not once have i said tis okay for anyone to be doing any killing. but the way you go on you seem ignorant of the fact that when you invade a soveriegn nation there's a chance they have friends that feel the need to help resist that invasion.
    and to top it off you're rather indignant about it all, as if i've slighted you personally.

    like I said, I'm done with you. you are advocating its ok that Iran assist in killing the evil occupiers. you have given a few reasons as to why. and then you run and hide..."well im not saying its ok to kill anyone".....yes you are. you want the last word? take it.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Drowned Out wrote:
    when you look at the premise for the invasion.....and the fact that it has been debunked, and the occupation continues....and the fact that it was an illegal invasion, with no international support......and the US has called Iran a part of the axis of evil and has massive armies right next door to Iran....I would have to ask the opposite. Why ISN'T it ok for Iran to interfere?
    i'm done talking about this. I dont support Iran attacking US troops in Iraq. period. you or cate or anyone else is not going to convince me otherwise so drop it.

    Drowned Out wrote:
    and I can't believe you called cate "hunny". I dont' know if I should laugh or call you names....

    what the fuck are you talking about?
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    jlew24asu wrote:

    whoooaaa slow down hunny. I dont have proof because I have never been there......


    Did we hit a nerve jlew?

    I don't get it.....it only makes sense for Iran to interfere.
    It sounds like you're crying "it's not fair".
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Drowned Out wrote:
    Did we hit a nerve jlew?

    I don't get it.....it only makes sense for Iran to interfere.
    It sounds like you're crying "it's not fair".

    :D I guess I did. sorry cate hunny.
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    jlew24asu wrote:
    i'm done talking about this. I dont support Iran attacking US troops in Iraq. period. you or cate or anyone else is not going to convince me otherwise so drop it.

    No one asked you to support it. I don't support it. But from Iran's viewpoint, it only makes sense. You asked why it was ok for Iran to interfere, I asked why not.....There are two sides to it, as per....
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    jlew24asu wrote:
    like I said, I'm done with you. you are advocating its ok that Iran assist in killing the evil occupiers. you have given a few reasons as to why. and then you run and hide..."well im not saying its ok to kill anyone".....yes you are. you want the last word? take it.

    im not the one running and hiding.
    i am advocating defence, nothing more. why shouldn't someone help the iraqis. that's all i'm saying. the US and pals shouldn't get an easy ride in iraq. they should have expected resistance. and what do you know..? they're getting it.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Drowned Out wrote:
    No one asked you to support it. I don't support it. But from Iran's viewpoint, it only makes sense. You asked why it was ok for Iran to interfere, I asked why not.....There are two sides to it, as per....

    if it only makes sense for them to do it. why dont they openly say it. why the denial. you think they are doing the greater good by killing americans right? get the evil occupiers out of Iraq

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