'Imagine' Christian lyrics... Why?!?!?

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  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    Bu2 wrote:
    We're stuck in a loop....

    :)
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  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    Ok, that REALLY REALLY REALLY hit a nerve. Covering someone's song is fine, but completly changing the original meaning, thats a low.

    FUCK Fredi D’Alessio.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    cornnifer wrote:
    Well actually, ritualistically attending church, singing hymns, going to confession, holy water, etc. is EXACTLY what makes a person RELIGIOUS. Christianity, in and of itself, in its purest form, is not a religion. It is a faith.
    There is a HUGE difference between religion and faith, religious and faithful.

    Christianity in it's earliest, and purest form was a branch of Gnosticism - i.e, direct contact with a higher spiritual power, the pursuit of mystical experiences e.t.c. It had nothing to do with faith.

    Edit: I ritualistically attend work five days a week. I also go to eat at the same noodle bar at roughly the same time every day too. And I worship beer.
    Am I religious? :confused:
    Am I the Messiah? :eek:
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Christianity in it's earliest, and purest form was a branch of Gnosticism - i.e, direct contact with a higher spiritual power, the pursuit of mystical experiences e.t.c. It had nothing to do with faith.

    Edit: I ritualistically attend work five days a week. I also go to eat at the same noodle bar at roughly the same time every day too. And I worship beer.
    Am I religious? :confused:
    Am I the Messiah? :eek:

    are you religious?
    do you offer up sacrifices to the almighty beer?

    are you the messiah?
    HA!!! LMAO!! highly doubt it. but good luck with that. :D:p
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  • sponger
    sponger Posts: 3,159
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Well, the Soviets weren't religious and yet Stalin still managed to wipe out about 30 million of his own people in the 1920's . Most of the top rank of the Nazi's also dabbled in occultism, and I don't think anyone believed their pretensions to be on some sort of messianic crusade. Nazism was fundamentally a secular force.
    Anyway, to be honest, I don't consider about 99% of supposed Christians to be religious at all. Most of these people who we label religious aren't religious at all. Going to a church once a week and singing hymns doesn't qualify you as being religious in my book. The church has failed Christianity. And unless you've experienced God first hand, through a direct religious/mystical experience, then you are not religious.


    Hitler cited christianity as his ideological platform on many occasions. This is easily googled.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    sponger wrote:
    Hitler cited christianity as his ideological platform on many occasions. This is easily googled.

    Hitler was also praised by the church and some religious institutions called him the "new voice of God".
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    catefrances wrote:
    are you religious?
    do you offer up sacrifices to the almighty beer?

    are you the messiah?
    HA!!! LMAO!! highly doubt it. but good luck with that. :D:p

    Do you not feel swayed by the power of my message pit sermons? Want to come join my movement? I'll even appoint you as my first disciple! :cool:

    The only request upon my followers is that they anoint themselves with holy beer every day of the week.
  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Hitler was also praised by the church and some religious institutions called him the "new voice of God".
    same as bush, oh wait bush just speaks to god or so he says.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Do you not feel swayed by the power of my message pit sermons? Want to come join my movement? I'll even appoint you as my first disciple! :cool:

    My only request upon my followers is that they anoint themselves with holy beer every day of the week.


    i'll join your movement. but i'll be no ones disciple. not even yours steve. :D:p
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  • sponger
    sponger Posts: 3,159
    Also, my thoughts on soviet communist atheism are that it doesn't really qualify as atheism within the present context because soviet communist atheism was more along the lines of militant atheism, which precludes it from being applied in a manner that is consistent with true atheist ideals.

    Stalin instituted his version of the "separation between church and state", and I think this is where the confusion begins. This is because it was not in fact a separation between church and state. Rather, it was the oppression of church, which is an entirely different concept.
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  • Kann
    Kann Posts: 1,146
    sponger wrote:
    Hitler cited christianity as his ideological platform on many occasions. This is easily googled.

    It is easily googled. But the results aren't as straightforward as that. I just googled it and the first two links state Hitler was an atheist who occasionaly used religious symbols to manipulate hatred. Actually (according to link n°2, wikipedia) he seemed to loath christianity.

    And on topic the song really seems to suck. I didn't hear, yet, a "good as original" cover of Imagine, but with different lyrics it certainly won't get any better! I don't know who owns the rights to this song but if they wished to keep the spirit of the song free from stupid covers they shouldn't allow such covers
  • Consumer_#11121980
    Consumer_#11121980 Posts: 27
    fundamentalist christian wrote:
    Imagine there's no hatred,
    It isn’t hard to do,
    No cause to kill or die for,
    And one religion too,
    Imagine all the people
    Living in Christ’s peace ~

    lol no hatred? It isnt hard to do?? ROFLMAO
    Hope he means except for the gays. I mean c'mon, no hatred for gays? Oh and the jews of course, they killed my god. Oh, oh right, and the scientists, they make me feel way too insecure about my beliefs, with their mean evil little snaketongues (there's just no arguing with those).
    And then there's the muslims of course, and people who have premarital sex, do abortions, divorce, use condoms, atheists..and a few other condemned ones unworthy of mention.

    No hatred? How the fuck would i do that ?!? Slaughter them all or what? but hey! No cause to kill and die for...?? goddamn, god's ways are confuuuusing!!


    /sarcasm
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Consumer_#11121980 wrote:
    lol no hatred? It isnt hard to do?? ROFLMAO
    Hope he means except for the gays. I mean c'mon, no hatred for gays? Oh and the jews of course, they killed my god. Oh, oh right, and the scientists, they make me feel way too insecure about my beliefs, with their mean evil little snaketongues (there's just no arguing with those).
    And then there's the muslims of course, and people who have premarital sex, do abortions, divorce, use condoms, atheists..and a few other condemned ones unworthy of mention.

    No hatred? How the fuck would i do that ?!? Slaughter them all or what? but hey! No cause to kill and die for...?? goddamn, god's ways are confuuuusing!!


    /sarcasm
    ...
    Yeah... I think the point the dude is trying to make is that there wouldn't be any hatred... because if you are living in in Christ's peace, you aren't gay, therefore, no gays... or Jews... or Muslims. There would not be Evolution because we all would believe in Creation. They do have to be slaughtered.. just converted.
    The world would be a better place if only we were all **Christians.
    ...
    **Note: The term 'Christians' can be substituted for most other large organized religions, i.e. Muslims.
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  • VINNY GOOMBA
    VINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,828
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Why would you do that? Why?

    How do you come across stuff like this? Does someone email it to you to piss you off?
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    VINNY GOOMBA wrote:
    How do you come across stuff like this? Does someone email it to you to piss you off?

    No, similar lyrics are mentioned in the preface to Richard Dawkin's "The God Delusion". I did a Google search for "and one god too" and it was there.
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  • searchlightsoul
    searchlightsoul Posts: 583
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Yeah... I think the point the dude is trying to make is that there wouldn't be any hatred... because if you are living in in Christ's peace, you aren't gay, therefore, no gays... or Jews... or Muslims. There would not be Evolution because we all would believe in Creation. They do have to be slaughtered.. just converted.
    The world would be a better place if only we were all **Christians.

    The world would be a very boring place...............and a freaking lie.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Yeah... I think the point the dude is trying to make is that there wouldn't be any hatred... because if you are living in in Christ's peace, you aren't gay, therefore, no gays... or Jews... or Muslims. There would not be Evolution because we all would believe in Creation. They do have to be slaughtered.. just converted.
    The world would be a better place if only we were all **Christians.
    ...
    **Note: The term 'Christians' can be substituted for most other large organized religions, i.e. Muslims.

    Then "Dude" is pretty damn ignorant. He's conveniently overlooked several cases of priests molesting children. Such as; Ollie O'Grady.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
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    The Beatles can make their own "bible" I suppose and write all kinds of crazy shit...
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    surferdude wrote:
    I didn't realize "Imagine" was an atheist hymn. My bad. Thought it was just another pop song by a pop singer. Can you recommend a good atheist church for me to go to, I'd love to hear an atheist choir do this song justice.

    the original song was thought to be a description of heaven. then again; some said it described communism.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Then "Dude" is pretty damn ignorant. He's conveniently overlooked several cases of priests molesting children. Such as; Ollie O'Grady.
    ...
    Trust me... I'm not defending the dude. I think he's fucking creepy.
    ...
    And who knows... to the priest, cornholing a 10 year old boy is Heavan to him.
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