How is abortion morally ethical.....

decides2dream · October 2006

brain of c wrote:

abortion is easy @ 20.

not so, at forty.

don't know about that. i am two years from 40, and no way would i want to be pregnant/have a child now, or at 40. yikes.

however, it is what it is......believe what you want.....just don't try to force your set of beliefs on others. sure, i have a hard time accepting people fighting over it, especially when i think 89% of abortions occur before the 12th week......and the arguement of multiple abortions, i have not seen convincing arguements of repeat offenders, not that it is anyone's business in the first place. bottomline, it IS legal, THANKFULLY, so yea...don't believe in it, don't do it...but don't try and take away the rights of others to do so.

i guess for me i see far worse things occuring in this world, causing living breathing people soo much pain, and you are going to argue over the 'rights' of a living thing, that has no conception of pain, no central nervous system....no idea that it exists...and why? to me, it is a complex of human life being superior above all else...but even that, some are pro-life and yet for the death penalty, etc....yea...i just don't get it. sure, i understand some have various definitions of when 'human life' begins...but if ALL human life is sacred to you, then it must be across the board. can't pick/choose in my opinion...and it can;t be about responsibility/consequences for your actions...abortion IS a viable responsibility/consequence for the action.

Abuskedti · October 2006

I still can't decide.. I still feel an instinct to protect a baby... I can't get myself to say I am ok with abortion. However, I do respect people that make that decision. I see so many children suffering.. So many people that should not be parents with multiple children.. so many poor and hungry children.. I also can't get myself to say its right to force someone to have a baby.

sigh... and I always have an opinion... Damn it!

I will say this though - I am against pro-lifers.. I believe they have priority issues... It seems if they cared so much about children - they would be as seriously against poverty - and shitty schools and unsafe streets - and the ridiculous heath care system... so many problems - and all of them are accepted as just the way it is - except for abortion - well to that I say horse shit!

decides2dream · October 2006

Abuskedti wrote:

I still can't decide.. I still feel an instinct to protect a baby... I can't get myself to say I am ok with abortion. However, I do respect people that make that decision. I see so many children suffering.. So many people that should not be parents with multiple children.. so many poor and hungry children.. I also can't get myself to say its right to force someone to have a baby.

sigh... and I always have an opinion... Damn it!

I will say this though - I am against pro-lifers.. I believe they have priority issues... It seems if they cared so much about children - they would be as seriously against poverty - and shitty schools and unsafe streets - and the ridiculous heath care system... so many problems - and all of them are accepted as just the way it is - except for abortion - well to that I say horse shit!

there is no 'baby' in this equation. a zygote, a fetus does NOT equate a baby. COULD be, if allowed to develop and no problems, natural or unnatural along the way...but nonetheless, still NOT a baby. just sayin'.....

Abuskedti · October 2006

decides2dream wrote:

there is no 'baby' in this equation. a zygote, a fetus does NOT equate a baby. COULD be, if allowed to develop and no problems, natural or unnatural along the way...but nonetheless, still NOT a baby. just sayin'.....

ahhh.. When they are two days old - they don't seem to be much of people - all goofy looking and floppy... But pretty important

decides2dream · October 2006

Abuskedti wrote:

ahhh.. When they are two days old - they don't seem to be much of people - all goofy looking and floppy... But pretty important

absolutely agree.

however, we're not discussing that, now are we? for me, i can differentiate the two, quite clearly. no matter what, it is always an important decision. however, there is a great distinction in my mind...and there are plenty of 'living things'...and being something 'alive'...in and of itself, does not afford special privileges to me. add the fact that such life cannot exist outside it's host/mother...all the more.........a woman's decision for what 'lives' inside her.

anyhoo.......have a great evening.

Abuskedti · October 2006

decides2dream wrote:

absolutely agree.

however, we're not discussing that, now are we? for me, i can differentiate the two, quite clearly. no matter what, it is always an important decision. however, there is a great distinction in my mind...and there are plenty of 'living things'...and being something 'alive'...in and of itself, does not afford special privileges to me. add the fact that such life cannot exist outside it's host/mother...all the more.........a woman's decision for what 'lives' inside her.

anyhoo.......have a great evening.

You too

Puck78 · October 2006

soulsinging wrote:

why can't you say she chose to go into the bar and get drunk and accept a ride home from her good friend, then he raped her. being raped while you are drunk and alone with a boy is part of the risk of engaging in that behavior. she should bear the responsibility for putting herself in a position where there might be consequences. you don't intend to get raped, but it might happen. statistically, it's even more likely than getting pregnant while on the pill. so shouldn't she bear the consequences of taking that risk?

so you're saying that it is HER fault if HE's not able to understand that a "no" is a "no" and not a "yes"?

Jackhammer · October 2006

Hey, everyone knows that when a woman says "no", she actually means "yes"!

Juuust kiddin'

soulsinging · October 2006

Puck78 wrote:

so you're saying that it is HER fault if HE's not able to understand that a "no" is a "no" and not a "yes"?

no, im asking the pro-lifers to justify their arbitrary distinction between "responsible" behavior and irresponsible behavior. they say it's not ok to murder innocent life. then they go on to say that it is ok in the circumstance of rape. so basically, it IS ok to murder innocent life, but only under the circumstances they deem justifiable. they say a woman who has sex while on birth control is irresponsible if she has an abortion even after that birth control fails. if we're talking about forcing people to be responsible like the pro-lifers want, we can take it to ridiculous extremes. women are irresponsible for getting into situtations where they can be raped. people in car accidents are irresponsible for driving when they know it is a risk they will get hurt. you see how ridiculous that criteria is?

we dont deny people the ability to get insurance money after a car accident just becos they know that there are certain risks inherent in driving, nor do we jail people who kill others in car accidents if they were doing everything they could while driving to avoid that risk. so why deny women abortion just becos there are certain risks inherent in sex, even if they take reasonable steps to avoid those risks?

they will say it is becos killing a baby is diff from getting into a car accident. thus, we are back to protecting innocent life. but if that is the case, then they MUST be consistent in protecting innocent life and cannot justify saying abortion is ok in rape, becos it would still be killing an innocent baby. however, they make this concession for political reasons, becos they know the majority of the country finds their views unreasonable. thus, their "respect for life" is nothing more than a political ploy that is more open to compromise than they are willing to admit. it is NOT about protecting innocent life, it is about deterring sex. this is all just a matter of degrees... where do we draw the line? and i simply dont think the pro-life side is logical unless it is opposed to ALL abortion equally.

also, interesting side note learned in my criminal law class while discussing rape: 60% of women admit that they have said no when they meant yes, becos they feel they are expected to resist so they're not seens as easy or slutty. but that's a whole other thread

Jackhammer · October 2006

got a brilliant idea.

Americans are responsible, as a whole, for having Junior elected.
He is definitly a major threat to the world, so we have to do something about that issue

Next point is then, making americans illegal all over the world

callen · October 2006

soulsinging wrote:

also, interesting side note learned in my criminal law class while discussing rape: 60% of women admit that they have said no when they meant yes, becos they feel they are expected to resist so they're not seens as easy or slutty. but that's a whole other thread

I'd like to see a survey to address:

Women that have orgasms to those that don't and corresponding views on abortion.

and....weight of men and corresponding veiw on abortion...was trying how good looking they were..but too subjective.

How is abortion morally ethical.....

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