Israel, US, and Abbas want peace...Hamas doesn't

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    SundaySilence wrote:
    The six day war was a defensive war and Isreal was justified in its preemptive strikes.

    It wasn't though, was it. On both counts.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    MrSmith wrote:
    Is 3 generations better? how about 4? I don't know the answer but you have to put a number on it. if you go back far enough in history every nation on earth had someone else living there at one time who was forced out or destroyed. Sucks but thats the way it is. Dwell on the present and the future, not the (increasingly distant) past.

    So you think that the Palestinians could today just turn around and say:

    "O.k, we give in! Now we'll stop resisting and fighting to get our stolen land back, and instead simply live peaceful lives in harmony with our benevolent neighbours!"

    I don't know what fantasy you've dream't up in your head about what life is like there for these people, but allow me to just say that it's no bed of roses. Checkpoints, interrogations, summary executions, homes being bulldozed, continued illegal settlement building by Israel, no soveriegnty over land, air, or sea space, the threat of snipers and missiles attacks on a daily basis, e.t.c, e.t.c.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Progress was made in 1993 in Oslo? Please elaborate.

    And I'll repeat again, for the 100th time. Hamas has every right to refuse to recognise Israel. Israel in it's current incarnation is engaged in an illegal occupation of Palestinian land. Now proceed to ignore my comment and forget I ever said it. I'll repeat it again the next time you rehash your horseshit statement about Hamas needing to recognise Israel.
    As for your other point about Hamas having to 'renounce violence', that is just too pathetic to be worthy of comment.

    you can repeat it all you want. you support an organization that 100% supports nothing but violence. you have never once mentioned something they have done wrong.

    you support acts like brainwashing children
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WHdWgES-Uw

    you support and encourage this...
    http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/html/final/eng/bu/hamas/character.htm

    The murderous terrorist attack perpetrated by Hamas in Jerusalem (19 August 2003) killing 21 civilians, a third of which were children, has effectively ended the brief cease fire (“hudna”) which had actually not been observed by Hamas or other terrorist organizations. Since the outbreak of hostilities (September 2000), Hamas carried out over 500 terrorist attacks killing 390 people and injuring 2,100 (mostly civilians).


    you actually applaud such things. they can do no wrong.

    I will call out Israel for all the wrong they do. I'll repeat that 1000 times. Israel is guilty of many horrible things.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    'renounce violence', that is just too pathetic to be worthy of comment.

    wow, were you beat as a child?

    renouncing violence has now become pathetic? I'm glad you posted that statement. it shows alot about you and your mindset.
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    Byrnzie wrote:
    They can begin by offering to negotiate with them for a start. Secondly, I'd recommend that Israel offer to talk with Hamas in the absence of the U.S. It's the U.S government afterall that has blocked any chance of a peace settlement over the past 36 years. I think Israel would be better off doing what is best for it's own people and cease allowing itself to be used as nothing but a corrupt military outpost for U.S imperial interests.

    I kind of disagree with this. Israel has much influence over the US as well, and while the US adds to its corruption, it is still present without the US.
    Byrnzie wrote:
    So you think that the Palestinians could today just turn around and say:

    "O.k, we give in! Now we'll stop resisting and fighting to get our stolen land back, and instead simply live peaceful lives in harmony with our benevolent neighbours!"

    You forgot to mention, "And sleep on the remnants of our bulldozed homes like nothing happened!"
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    wow, were you beat as a child?

    renouncing violence has now become pathetic? I'm glad you posted that statement. it shows alot about you and your mindset.

    Israel telling the Palestinians to renounce violence is pathetic. You obviously can't see that. Pity.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    jlew24asu wrote:
    you can repeat it all you want. you support an organization that 100% supports nothing but violence. you have never once mentioned something they have done wrong.

    you support acts like brainwashing children
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WHdWgES-Uw

    you support and encourage this...
    http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/html/final/eng/bu/hamas/character.htm

    The murderous terrorist attack perpetrated by Hamas in Jerusalem (19 August 2003) killing 21 civilians, a third of which were children, has effectively ended the brief cease fire (“hudna”) which had actually not been observed by Hamas or other terrorist organizations. Since the outbreak of hostilities (September 2000), Hamas carried out over 500 terrorist attacks killing 390 people and injuring 2,100 (mostly civilians).


    you actually applaud such things. they can do no wrong.

    I will call out Israel for all the wrong they do. I'll repeat that 1000 times. Israel is guilty of many horrible things.

    I thought you might ignore this post
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I thought you might ignore this post

    I know it wasn't directed at me at all, but I'll respond nonetheless.

    The thing with your posts, is it's like watching (and yes, I will dare to say) a biased news report. You mention that Israel "does bad things" but you go on to say and give a report on what "terrorist activity" Hamas has done, and just ignore anything about Israel. That's how news reporters get away with being biased, but slipping a little thing about Israel but going on about Hamas.

    Honestly, you know damn well Israel does things Hamas do with a multitude of perhaps 10 times, if not more. Why do you go on saying Hamas "prevents peace" when it is clear who is the more disruptive military group in the region? Israel definitely does not always act in defense to strikes from "terrorist" groups from Palestine. In fact, they are on the offensive many many times.

    Quit saying Hamas is the ONLY one preventing peace. It's certainly not true. And don't respond to my entire post by just posting some bullshit about me mentioning a biased news report. that's not the point of my post, it's an example, and in my opinion, a valid one.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I thought you might ignore this post

    Right, and It wouldn't be possible for me to dig up about 100 links to articles detailing atrocities carried out by Israel?
    It would be too easy. But why state the obvious?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    _FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:
    I know it wasn't directed at me at all, but I'll respond nonetheless.

    The thing with your posts, is it's like watching (and yes, I will dare to say) a biased news report. You mention that Israel "does bad things" but you go on to say and give a report on what "terrorist activity" Hamas has done, and just ignore anything about Israel. That's how news reporters get away with being biased, but slipping a little thing about Israel but going on about Hamas.

    Honestly, you know damn well Israel does things Hamas do with a multitude of perhaps 10 times, if not more. Why do you go on saying Hamas "prevents peace" when it is clear who is the more disruptive military group in the region? Israel definitely does not always act in defense to strikes from "terrorist" groups from Palestine. In fact, they are on the offensive many many times.

    Quit saying Hamas is the ONLY one preventing peace. It's certainly not true. And don't respond to my entire post by just posting some bullshit about me mentioning a biased news report. that's not the point of my post, it's an example, and in my opinion, a valid one.

    Thanks. You said it better than me.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    _FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:
    I know it wasn't directed at me at all, but I'll respond nonetheless.

    The thing with your posts, is it's like watching (and yes, I will dare to say) a biased news report. You mention that Israel "does bad things" but you go on to say and give a report on what "terrorist activity" Hamas has done, and just ignore anything about Israel. That's how news reporters get away with being biased, but slipping a little thing about Israel but going on about Hamas.

    Honestly, you know damn well Israel does things Hamas do with a multitude of perhaps 10 times, if not more. Why do you go on saying Hamas "prevents peace" when it is clear who is the more disruptive military group in the region? Israel definitely does not always act in defense to strikes from "terrorist" groups from Palestine. In fact, they are on the offensive many many times.

    Quit saying Hamas is the ONLY one preventing peace. It's certainly not true. And don't respond to my entire post by just posting some bullshit about me mentioning a biased news report. that's not the point of my post, it's an example, and in my opinion, a valid one.

    You noticed that?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    you actually applaud such things.

    As for me applauding atrocities carried out by either side, you clearly are just trying to provoke me to getting banned by responding to your post with what I really think of it.
    On this occasion, I won't take the bait.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    heh i think i found the perfect costume for my nephew for halloween.

    Palestinian Kindergartener!!!
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    You noticed that?

    :D
    Sarcasm. Don't you just love it?
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    Five Against One is right Jlew, you should pick one side and defend it at all costs, not recognizing anything wrong that 'your side' does. You should only repeatedly point out the 'other side's' wrongdoing without ever for a second recognizing that both sides share in at least some of the blame. Admitting that 'your side' is less than 100% noble and pure is a sure sign that your argument is flawed and you are weak.

    Don't ever acknowledge that at least some of the 'other side's' argument might be true, instead ignore it and be secure in your own self righteousness, for you are truly the chosen one and 'your side' is infallible.

    I'm really very dissappointed in you Jlew. I expected more.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    MrSmith wrote:
    heh i think i found the perfect costume for my nephew for halloween.

    Palestinian Kindergartener!!!

    That's easy, just toss a dirty blood stained sheet over him and pretend he's a corpse..
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    MrSmith wrote:
    Five Against One is right Jlew, you should pick one side and defend it at all costs, not recognizing anything wrong that 'your side' does. You should only repeatedly point out the 'other side's' wrongdoing without ever for a second recognizing that both sides share in at least some of the blame. Admitting that 'your side' is less than 100% noble and pure is a sure sign that your argument is flawed and you are weak.

    Don't ever acknowledge that at least some of the 'other side's' argument might be true, instead ignore it and be secure in your own self righteousness, for you are truly the chosen one and 'your side' is infallible.

    I'm really very dissappointed in you Jlew. I expected more.

    Thanks for completely ignoring what I was saying.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    _FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:
    I know it wasn't directed at me at all, but I'll respond nonetheless.

    The thing with your posts, is it's like watching (and yes, I will dare to say) a biased news report. You mention that Israel "does bad things" but you go on to say and give a report on what "terrorist activity" Hamas has done, and just ignore anything about Israel. That's how news reporters get away with being biased, but slipping a little thing about Israel but going on about Hamas.
    I have and will continue to call out Israel when they are in the wrong. so you for to say I ignore Israel is pure bullshit. Israel is illegally occupying some land. Israel shouldn't have secret prisons. Israel retaliates much to harshly to hamas resistance.
    _FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:
    Honestly, you know damn well Israel does things Hamas do with a multitude of perhaps 10 times, if not more. Why do you go on saying Hamas "prevents peace" when it is clear who is the more disruptive military group in the region? Israel definitely does not always act in defense to strikes from "terrorist" groups from Palestine. In fact, they are on the offensive many many times.
    hamas ideology along with other islamic extremist groups is to kill themselves in the name of allah.

    Israel is getting along just fine with fatah and the ENTIRE west bank. don't tell me Israel isnt capable of peace. up until this point hamas is not.
    _FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:
    Quit saying Hamas is the ONLY one preventing peace. It's certainly not true. And don't respond to my entire post by just posting some bullshit about me mentioning a biased news report. that's not the point of my post, it's an example, and in my opinion, a valid one.

    first of all, I'll say whatever the fuck I want. second of all, hamas is the only party preventing peace. Israel has a right to exist regardless if you, byzine and hamas don't believe so. and I'm allow an opinion too, a valid one.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    As for me applauding atrocities carried out by either side, you clearly are just trying to provoke me to getting banned by responding to your post with what I really think of it.
    On this occasion, I won't take the bait.

    its not bait. you do applaud it. those innocent people deserve to die. its part of the resistance you support. if enough people die maybe Israel will get the point and give back all the land it sits on and move to Europe or Mongolia or the jungles of southeast asia.

    I suppose you could condemn such acts, but why would you?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    hamas ideology along with other islamic extremist groups is to kill themselves in the name of allah.

    That's a rather simplified way of putting it. Why don't they all just engage in a mass suicide pact then?
    jlew24asu wrote:
    Israel is getting along just fine with fatah and the ENTIRE west bank.

    You think they're all just getting along fine do you?

    UN alarm at Palestinian poverty
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6387843.stm

    Poverty in Palestine
    http://www.waronwant.org/?lid=4204
    jlew24asu wrote:
    Israel has a right to exist regardless if you, byzine and hamas don't believe so.

    Please provide evidence that I believe Israel has no right to exist. Ah, you can't! I thought so!
    I believe Israel has no right to exist in it's current state - I.e, with it's illegal settlements.

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