House passes resolution criticizing Bush's Iraq policy

2

Comments

  • bacchanal
    bacchanal Posts: 149
    A NON-BINDING RESOLUTION MEANS NOTHING.....just political posturing!

    both sides:rep and dem...can kiss my ass these days!!!!!!!!
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    bacchanal wrote:
    A NON-BINDING RESOLUTION MEANS NOTHING.....just political posturing!

    both sides:rep and dem...can kiss my ass these days!!!!!!!!

    There ya have it. Its politics at the expense of our soldiers lives. Other than withdraw what have the dems actually proposed to bring stability to the region? Not a whole lot. They just want power. Now that they have some, you've seen what they've done with it. Blow hot air
  • enharmonic
    enharmonic Posts: 1,917
    A nonbinding resolution is a vote of no confidence. While it might not have any legislative teeth, it is a powerful political instrument that IMO is the moral near-equivalent of censure.

    Sadly, Now that Bush has proof that Iran is supplying bombs to insurgents, nobody will get behind Bush because we invaded Iraq on bunk intel. This alone is proof that American cred is in the toilet as long as Bush is on the throne. It will likely take a couple of decades to restore our credibility...if we can at all.

    We haven't even started to deal with the whole rendition issue, and it is being downplayed here in the states...but we essentially side-stepped the Geneva Convention by setting up secret tortue facilities in Europe. Combine that with the fact that America does not acknowledge the authority of the world court, and you have the makings for a lot of ill diplomatic will for years to come.
    new music: http://www.myspace.com/blackbirdsymphonique

    old music: http://www.myspace.com/slowloader
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    Last Exodus wrote:
    We do have a constitution we occassionaly have to follow. Congress does not have the power to directly order troops home. Only the President can. All Congress can do is withold money making sure our men who are their have less ability to defend themselves...

    Yeah I understand that...but I still find it useless because it is already well known what the Democrats think about the matter (well this year at least :))...if they think this symobolic gesture will accomplish anything then I guess that is what they see it has...just finding it does nothing to help the situation.....
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    How many that voted for this resolution also voted to go to war? And I know that people can change their minds, but these particular people just change their minds when it is to their advantage politically. Principle means nothing to them. I cannot support ANYONE who voted to go to war initially.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    Yeah I understand that...but I still find it useless because it is already well known what the Democrats think about the matter (well this year at least :))...if they think this symobolic gesture will accomplish anything then I guess that is what they see it has...just finding it does nothing to help the situation.....


    The thing that bothers me about the Democrats is that they just dont have a single idea on how to resolve the problem. Most of them voted FOR the Iraq war initiative on the same intel as the President moved. Now all of a sudden they know better? I dont think so. They just want the Presidency. I dont think they give two shits about the people being killed or the risk a divided country can have on the people actually in harms way. They just want power and are using this war as their way to it.
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    know1 wrote:
    How many that voted for this resolution also voted to go to war? And I know that people can change their minds, but these particular people just change their minds when it is to their advantage politically. Principle means nothing to them. I cannot support ANYONE who voted to go to war initially.
    bingo. and if you actually read about what was going on in the White House in the months leading up to Iraq George W seriously questioned the logic and the intel. I can back that up. This was Cheney's war from the get go.
  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    know1 wrote:
    How many that voted for this resolution also voted to go to war? And I know that people can change their minds, but these particular people just change their minds when it is to their advantage politically. Principle means nothing to them. I cannot support ANYONE who voted to go to war initially.

    Barack Obama did not vote to go to war.
    Feels Good Inc.
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    I don't like this. That's all I can say.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    great the democrats are finally calling bush out formally....almost 4 goddamn years into this horrible war.

    I think we all should heed Sean penn's advice. At the recent protest in DC he said "And if they don't stand up and make a resolution as binding as the death toll, we're not going to be behind those politicians. We're here, and we’re going to be in local districts, and we’re going to push this until this resolution is binding, the money stops and the troops come home."
    he has a point. Over 3,000 kids have died as a result of this war, shouldnt this be more than a nonbinding resolution? Even Jon Stewart criticized it.

    Its good to try and make your voice heard, but this vote is symbolic.

    I say we heed the advice of many people and cut the funds. Their is a house resulution being circulated right now. Thats the only way to end it. The only way. By cutting the funding, it is binding, and its more than symbolic, its a real action.

    It seems to me, the democrats have a choice to make. Do they do what every democrat politician has done for years, especially those running for president, make themselves appear less leftwing or radical than they may be, or do they actually go out and try to do something, reguardless of the political ramifications or the potential harm to their potential presidential aspirations.

    This has been a huge pet peeve of mine about the Dems. They never seem to want to go the full distance. They never put their money where their mouths are.

    If I was a politician, I would demand the immediate withdrawal of all troops, and to support the cutting of all funds from this war. Its the right thing to do. I mean its our generation thats dying here, and they cant even bring a binding resolution to the table? Is that leadership?

    Thats my problem. Thats why obama aint getting my vote. He is only for this nonbinding resolution. He isnt for cutting funds. Kucinich has from the start wanted all troops out immediately. he is the only democrat calling for that.

    Symbolic votes arent doing anything and wont do anything. The time is now, for action, to bring the troops home.

    And I agree with Sean Penn, those who dont vote to bring the troops home now, and lets make that clear THIS INCLUDES DEMS AND REPUBLICANS, none will get our votes.
  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    notice the threads title, "criticizing". Its an accurate title, but shows what a farce this thing is. Its not an action, its just symbolic stuff. Nothing is going to come of it.

    Bush knows he has to have money to fund the war. Thus why the 185 billion he plans to use in 2007 on this war, will be voted on in a few weeks by Democrats. Do they have the guts to tell him that they will not allow him that money? Thats binding right there.

    Judging by the way democrats have acted since 2001, they will continue to give him funds and not pass binding resolutions, and not cut the funds, yet will continue to complain as if they are not at least somewhat responsible for the killing thats going on.

    If I was the mother, father, son or daughter of a troop in Iraq, I would be ashamed of what the democrats are doing. On the NBC nightly news they interviewed kids at a school, these kids had parents in Iraq. One kid said "anytime we take a picture at home, with friends or with family, or at holidays, there is always a big space missing, somethings missing". I got a lump in my throat. The Democrats should walk up to those kids and tell them they are too interested in political aspirations to bring their fathers and mothers home from Iraq.

    I am so sick of reading that more people have died in iraq. Lets end this war. Its gone on long enough
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    notice the threads title, "criticizing". Its an accurate title, but shows what a farce this thing is. Its not an action, its just symbolic stuff. Nothing is going to come of it.

    Bush knows he has to have money to fund the war. Thus why the 185 billion he plans to use in 2007 on this war, will be voted on in a few weeks by Democrats. Do they have the guts to tell him that they will not allow him that money? Thats binding right there.

    Judging by the way democrats have acted since 2001, they will continue to give him funds and not pass binding resolutions, and not cut the funds, yet will continue to complain as if they are not at least somewhat responsible for the killing thats going on.

    If I was the mother, father, son or daughter of a troop in Iraq, I would be ashamed of what the democrats are doing. On the NBC nightly news they interviewed kids at a school, these kids had parents in Iraq. One kid said "anytime we take a picture at home, with friends or with family, or at holidays, there is always a big space missing, somethings missing". I got a lump in my throat. The Democrats should walk up to those kids and tell them they are too interested in political aspirations to bring their fathers and mothers home from Iraq.

    I am so sick of reading that more people have died in iraq. Lets end this war. Its gone on long enough

    dude, you're foaming at the mouth!
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    I am so sick of reading that more people have died in iraq. Lets end this war. Its gone on long enough

    You don't give a damn about how many people die in Iraq. If you did, you'd actually care about the consequences of your opinions.

    do you have any idea how STUPID, serioulsy, how closed-minded, and self-absorbed, and just plain dumb, this point of view is? Do you realize how many more people will actually die if we were to leave today?
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    You don't give a damn about how many people die in Iraq. If you did, you'd actually care about the consequences of your opinions.

    do you have any idea how STUPID, serioulsy, how closed-minded, and self-absorbed, and just plain dumb, this point of view is? Do you realize how many more people will actually die if we were to leave today?


    And I say to that, that is Iraq. If Iraq needs to settle its differences that way, let them because they're going to anyway.

    Funny how nobody interfered with America during that Civil War.
    all posts by ©gue_barium are protected under US copyright law and are not to be reproduced, exchanged or sold
    except by express written permission of ©gue_barium, the author.
  • The Illinoisemakers
    The Illinoisemakers Posts: 461
    inmytree wrote:
    I think this is a good thing...

    this is the sort of debate and discussion needed before this effort ever took place, sadly, 9/11 was used to push down the throats of those who opposed here and throughout the world...

    Iraq is broken, and we are not the ones to fix it, the Iraqi's and those in the region will fix it...and we may not like how it looks, but that's too bad...it's broken beyond our ability to repair it...

    Yeah lets let the Iraqis fix it. We can pack up and leave, take all of our soldiers away, let the death squads have a field day, slaughtering whoever they want. Then we can kick out our contractors and let all the hard work of rebuiding destroyed or out of date infastructure go to ruin. That's a great idea.

    This vote was truly pointless.
  • The Illinoisemakers
    The Illinoisemakers Posts: 461
    gue_barium wrote:
    And I say to that, that is Iraq. If Iraq needs to settle its differences that way, let them because they're going to anyway.

    Funny how nobody interfered with America during that Civil War.

    Just gross. No value for human life.

    American Civil War vs Iraq War, is comparing apples to oranges.
  • binger
    binger Posts: 179
    Did anybody hear Bush say "Sometimes money trumps peace" the other day? Kinda spooky.
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    You don't give a damn about how many people die in Iraq. If you did, you'd actually care about the consequences of your opinions.

    do you have any idea how STUPID, serioulsy, how closed-minded, and self-absorbed, and just plain dumb, this point of view is? Do you realize how many more people will actually die if we were to leave today?


    the answer is no
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    binger wrote:
    Did anybody hear Bush say "Sometimes money trumps peace" the other day? Kinda spooky.


    put your night light on. then the boogie man wont come to get you
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    great the democrats are finally calling bush out formally....almost 4 goddamn years into this horrible war.

    I think we all should heed Sean penn's advice. At the recent protest in DC he said "And if they don't stand up and make a resolution as binding as the death toll, we're not going to be behind those politicians. We're here, and we’re going to be in local districts, and we’re going to push this until this resolution is binding, the money stops and the troops come home."
    he has a point. Over 3,000 kids have died as a result of this war, shouldnt this be more than a nonbinding resolution? Even Jon Stewart criticized it.

    Its good to try and make your voice heard, but this vote is symbolic.

    I say we heed the advice of many people and cut the funds. Their is a house resulution being circulated right now. Thats the only way to end it. The only way. By cutting the funding, it is binding, and its more than symbolic, its a real action.

    It seems to me, the democrats have a choice to make. Do they do what every democrat politician has done for years, especially those running for president, make themselves appear less leftwing or radical than they may be, or do they actually go out and try to do something, reguardless of the political ramifications or the potential harm to their potential presidential aspirations.

    This has been a huge pet peeve of mine about the Dems. They never seem to want to go the full distance. They never put their money where their mouths are.

    If I was a politician, I would demand the immediate withdrawal of all troops, and to support the cutting of all funds from this war. Its the right thing to do. I mean its our generation thats dying here, and they cant even bring a binding resolution to the table? Is that leadership?

    Thats my problem. Thats why obama aint getting my vote. He is only for this nonbinding resolution. He isnt for cutting funds. Kucinich has from the start wanted all troops out immediately. he is the only democrat calling for that.

    Symbolic votes arent doing anything and wont do anything. The time is now, for action, to bring the troops home.

    And I agree with Sean Penn, those who dont vote to bring the troops home now, and lets make that clear THIS INCLUDES DEMS AND REPUBLICANS, none will get our votes.


    Money diverted from the war will just mean less protection for the troops. Is that what we want? Because we all know Bush is going to hand this war off to the next guy either way...

Categories