Saddam's late Christmas present...

sponger · December 2006

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

good riddance.........

How does his removal from power and subsequent execution make your life any better?

SoonForgotten2 · December 2006

sponger wrote:

How does his removal from power and subsequent execution make your life any better?

Because now he can sound like a real hard-ass on teh internets.

MakingWaves · December 2006

sponger wrote:

How does his removal from power and subsequent execution make your life any better?

It doesn't make anyones life better immediately. But we have to remember that this guy was evil. He had people killed for thinking differently and everyone has seen the pictures of the people he bombed with chemical weapons. I don't know if executing him is the answer, but we shouldn't talk about him as if he is a good guy getting a bad deal or compare him to our leaders. I know the Bush haters will compare Bush to Saddam but if you had been in Iraq ten years ago and posted stuff about hating Saddam, you would be dead. This comparison is just a little overboard.
Anyway, all we have to do is look at the thousands of people who volunteered in Iraq to be the person who pulls the lever to hang Saddam. He was an evil person and killed thousands of people for thinking differently.
Even I can see I am setting up a response that says "well that is what Bush is doing now by killing people in Iraq for thinking differently, isn't it". I don't know the answer to that one.

Byrnzie · December 2006

Everytime the U.S or any other country executes someone then that country proves itself to be just as barbaric and morally bankrupt as the worst serial killer.

know1 · December 2006

Byrnzie wrote:

Everytime the U.S or any other country executes someone then that country proves itself to be just as barbaric and morally bankrupt as the worst serial killer.

I agree. The murder of Saddam accomplishes nothing positive.

Rushlimbo · December 2006

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

good riddance.........

How ya doing ? LOL.

mookie9999 · December 2006

Byrnzie wrote:

Everytime the U.S or any other country executes someone then that country proves itself to be just as barbaric and morally bankrupt as the worst serial killer.

A-greed.

SPEEDY MCCREADY · December 2006

Rushlimbo wrote:

How ya doing ? LOL.

i knew you would like my post.....

hahahahahahaha......................

tybird · December 2006

enharmonic wrote:

Oh...and for using them on Kurds, while our allies in Turkey have slaughtered and continue to slaughter Kurds by the thousands up in the mountains?

I see. It all makes sense to me now. :(

It is amazing what prime geo-political real estate and hosting a major U.S. military facility will get you these days.....at least the Turks have historically balanced their genocidal efforts between Christians (Armenians) and Muslims (Kurds).

moeaholic · December 2006

Byrnzie wrote:

Everytime the U.S or any other country executes someone then that country proves itself to be just as barbaric and morally bankrupt as the worst serial killer.

it was an iraqi court. they went by iraqi law. the execution was an iraqi decision. not only that, but one of his attorneys was an american.

gue_barium · December 2006

Apparently, the execution is going to happen within the next few hours.

sponger · December 2006

MakingWaves wrote:

It doesn't make anyones life better immediately. But we have to remember that this guy was evil. He had people killed for thinking differently and everyone has seen the pictures of the people he bombed with chemical weapons. I don't know if executing him is the answer, but we shouldn't talk about him as if he is a good guy getting a bad deal or compare him to our leaders. I know the Bush haters will compare Bush to Saddam but if you had been in Iraq ten years ago and posted stuff about hating Saddam, you would be dead. This comparison is just a little overboard.
Anyway, all we have to do is look at the thousands of people who volunteered in Iraq to be the person who pulls the lever to hang Saddam. He was an evil person and killed thousands of people for thinking differently.
Even I can see I am setting up a response that says "well that is what Bush is doing now by killing people in Iraq for thinking differently, isn't it". I don't know the answer to that one.

I don't think he's a good guy, but I think he is a product of his environment. He grew up on the mean streets of backwater Iraq while dealing with an abusive step-father. He learned to survive by being ruthless and cunning. He essentially learned the law of the land, so to speak. His way of gaining and maintaining power was nothing new to those lands. He just happened to do it better than any of his predecessors.

So, in effect, he is not being executed for being evil. He's being executed for having ambitions and determination. By voting for his execution, Iraqis are essentially wiping their hands clean of the role they played in his creation. What they need to do instead is acknowledge that regardless of whatever evils he may have committed, he is still a son of Iraq, and as his father, Iraq needs to take responsibility for the way he turned out.

And if you ask me, the only reason why Bush hasn't gassed any Americans or tortured or executed americans is because he doesn't have the power to do those things. He's held back by a system of checks and balances that ensure no one evil leader can truly realize his dream of absolute power.

I think if Bush had the power to do so, he would declare all liberals a threat to national security and have them all rounded up. I think such a desire to oppress the opposition is in the heart of every politician. The rules have changed, but the people have not. So, by keeping Saddam alive, the world will be reminded that the only difference between a dictator and an elected official is the process, not the persona.

gue_barium · December 2006

sponger wrote:

I don't think he's a good guy, but I think he is a product of his environment. He grew up on the mean streets of backwater Iraq while dealing with an abusive step-father. He learned to survive by being ruthless and cunning. He essentially learned the law of the land, so to speak. His way of gaining and maintaining power was nothing new to those lands. He just happened to do it better than any of his predecessors.

So, in effect, he is not being executed for being evil. He's being executed for having ambitions and determination. By voting for his execution, Iraqis are essentially wiping their hands clean of the role they played in his creation. What they need to do instead is acknowledge that regardless of whatever evils he may have committed, he is still a son of Iraq, and as his father, Iraq needs to take responsibility for the way he turned out.

And if you ask me, the only reason why Bush hasn't gassed any Americans or tortured or executed americans is because he doesn't have the power to do those things. He's held back by a system of checks and balances that ensure no one evil leader can truly realize his dream of absolute power.

I think if Bush had the power to do so, he would declare all liberals a threat to national security and have them all rounded up. I think such a desire to oppress the opposition is in the heart of every politician. The rules have changed, but the people have not. So, by keeping Saddam alive, the world will be reminded that the only difference between a dictator and an elected official is the process, not the persona.

Pretty good post there.

Ahnimus · December 2006

Sponger, you forgot the part where the U.S. sold Saddam weapons. Giving him the impression that it was ok to use them. Amongst many other manipulations to Saddam.

sapperskunk · December 2006

Ahnimus wrote:

Sponger, you forgot the part where the U.S. sold Saddam weapons. Giving him the impression that it was ok to use them. Amongst many other manipulations to Saddam.

Ya know, I heard those weapons we sold him made up less than one percent of his total arsenal.

MrBrian · December 2006

well sponger, remember, some americans have been tortured under the patriot act, also sent to other countries. so it's not that far off.

With the patriot act you can also get locked up for a long time, no lawyer and such, it happens.

CJMST3K · December 2006

sponger wrote:

He just happened to do it better than any of his predecessors.

and now the Iraqi people got better than him, get to do it right back to him. Sunrise, sunset.

gue_barium · December 2006

CJMST3K wrote:

and now the Iraqi people got better than him, get to do it right back to him. Sunrise, sunset.

that's a fluid thought. i'll give you that much.

sponger · December 2006

Ahnimus wrote:

Sponger, you forgot the part where the U.S. sold Saddam weapons. Giving him the impression that it was ok to use them. Amongst many other manipulations to Saddam.

Iraqis voted for his execution, not americans. I'm talking about Iraqis owning up to the fact that Saddam is a reflection of their way of life -that he is not some enigmatic blemish on their proud history. They need to say, "Look, Iraq is a fucked up place to live in. It's no wonder why he have people like Saddam in control." Instead they want to play the victims. And victims will always be victims regardless of who they blame and execute.

Ahnimus · December 2006

sapperskunk wrote:

Ya know, I heard those weapons we sold him made up less than one percent of his total arsenal.

Still, it gives the impression they were ok to use.

Saddam's late Christmas present...

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