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EvilMerlin
EvilMerlin Posts: 1,865
edited November 2008 in A Moving Train
If you're against Prop 8...here's an online petition you can sign after the recent saddening outcome for many.

http://www.petitiononline.com/seg5130/petition.html

Thanks to chiqui and her friend. :)
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  • gobrowns19
    gobrowns19 Posts: 1,447
    EvilMerlin wrote:
    If you're against Prop 8...here's an online petition you can sign after the recent saddening outcome for many.

    http://www.petitiononline.com/seg5130/petition.html

    Thanks to chiqui and her friend. :)

    Wish i could sign this. I saw a picture of some people cheering when this was passed and they looked so happy at other people's expense, it made me feel sick to my stomach.
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  • JaneNY
    JaneNY Posts: 4,438
    I wish I could sign it too - this occurrence is such a reactionary event. My Dad (who was gay) is probably turning in his grave. How 20th century of them. Eventually it will be overturned, I do believe though.
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  • jimed14
    jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    What are the legal ramification of this petition?

    I'll sign it ... but, what can really be done?
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  • chiquimonkey
    chiquimonkey Posts: 9,337
    *bump*
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    gobrowns19 wrote:
    Wish i could sign this. I saw a picture of some people cheering when this was passed and they looked so happy at other people's expense, it made me feel sick to my stomach.

    Sounds a little bit like when I was watching the celebration in Grant Park.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    floyd1975 wrote:
    Sounds a little bit like when I was watching the celebration in Grant Park.


    Hahaha...that's what I was thinking when I read that. I know for one thing, if I'm ever in the middle of a big group of democrats like at Grant park, I'm leaving my wallet at home. ;)
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  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    floyd1975 wrote:
    Sounds a little bit like when I was watching the celebration in Grant Park.



    funny?



    soooooooooooooo not the same thing.
    disagreeing ovr who should be president does not infringe on your individual rights. voting is part of our democracy. owrking towards infringing on the civil rights of other citizens runs completely counter to what our founding fathers fought for and worked towards in establishing our government.


    grant park illustrated the celebration of our democracy at work.
    people celebrating the passage of prop 8 illustrates hatred and bigotry.
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  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    decides2dream wrote:
    funny?



    soooooooooooooo not the same thing.
    disagreeing ovr who should be president does not infringe on your individual rights. voting is part of our democracy. owrking towards infringing on the civil rights of other citizens runs completely counter to what our founding fathers fought for and worked towards in establishing our government.


    grant park illustrated the celebration of our democracy at work.
    people celebrating the passage of prop 8 illustrates hatred and bigotry.

    It's not simply disagreeing over who should be president. It's the "change for me" and use of our tax system to redistribute wealth that I have a problem with. It's celebrating a candidate who runs on an idea that all of those celebrating deserve everything their neighbor has because their neighbor makes a few dollars more than them. This is infringing on individual rights and it is the exact same thing for me to watch these people as it is for the person I quoted to watch the celebration of a democratically passed proposition in California.

    I really don't care about gay marriage. Legal or not, it has absolutely no effect on my life.
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Hahaha...that's what I was thinking when I read that. I know for one thing, if I'm ever in the middle of a big group of democrats like at Grant park, I'm leaving my wallet at home. ;)

    That may work. They may take your home though and give it to someone who deserves it.
  • Indifference
    Indifference Posts: 2,784
    jimed14 wrote:
    What are the legal ramification of this petition?

    I'll sign it ... but, what can really be done?

    Nothing - the people have voted.

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  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    floyd1975 wrote:
    It's not simply disagreeing over who should be president. It's the "change for me" and use of our tax system to redistribute wealth that I have a problem with. It's celebrating a candidate who runs on an idea that all of those celebrating deserve everything their neighbor has because their neighbor makes a few dollars more than them. This is infringing on individual rights and it is the exact same thing for me to watch these people as it is for the person I quoted to watch the celebration of a democratically passed proposition in California.

    I really don't care about gay marriage. Legal or not, it has absolutely no effect on my life.



    see what happens, then judge.
    whereas this prop 8 from the GET GO...GUARANTEES taking AWAY RIGHTS. period. we could argue back and forth about obama/mccain...but bottomline, this election went EXACTLY as our democracy was set up to do. this prop 8 runs absolutely counter to those ideals. so it IS...VERY different. don't see it that way, fair enough.




    and...exactly. really the whole point.
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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    floyd1975 wrote:
    It's not simply disagreeing over who should be president. It's the "change for me" and use of our tax system to redistribute wealth that I have a problem with. It's celebrating a candidate who runs on an idea that all of those celebrating deserve everything their neighbor has because their neighbor makes a few dollars more than them. This is infringing on individual rights and it is the exact same thing for me to watch these people as it is for the person I quoted to watch the celebration of a democratically passed proposition in California.

    I really don't care about gay marriage. Legal or not, it has absolutely no effect on my life.

    your viewpoint is a little extreme don't you think? It's not quite like you stand in line and have the same piece of bread and water rationing like your neighbour ... there is a lot of fear-mongering across the board - this notion of socialism is nowhere close to reality ...
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    Indifference wrote:
    Nothing - the people have voted.


    The question is, did the voters even have the right to vote on this issue...

    Seems to me government is infrigning upon personal choices that don't harm others, so they should get the hell out of the way and ensure that every citizen has access to their chosen loved one in the hosiptal, has access to employer's offered health care, etc.

    It's time to stop legislating when it doesn't effect others.
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  • AmentsChick
    AmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    Glad to see this thread on the Pit. If it wasn't already I was going to post the link to the petition. I signed it this morning.
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  • Indifference
    Indifference Posts: 2,784
    cincybearcat wrote:
    The question is, did the voters even have the right to vote on this issue...

    Seems to me government is infrigning upon personal choices that don't harm others, so they should get the hell out of the way and ensure that every citizen has access to their chosen loved one in the hosiptal, has access to employer's offered health care, etc.

    It's time to stop legislating when it doesn't effect others.


    Obviously that is an opinion that the majority of people living in CA disagree with.

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  • AmentsChick
    AmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    Indifference wrote:
    Obviously that is an opinion that the majority of people living in CA disagree with.

    In the 1950s it was also the 'majority of people' who believed that African Americans should be seperate from whites. God forbid they use the same bathrooms and drinking fountains.
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  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    cincybearcat wrote:
    The question is, did the voters even have the right to vote on this issue...

    Seems to me government is infrigning upon personal choices that don't harm others, so they should get the hell out of the way and ensure that every citizen has access to their chosen loved one in the hosiptal, has access to employer's offered health care, etc.

    It's time to stop legislating when it doesn't effect others.



    :)
    well said.
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    Let's just breathe...


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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    Indifference wrote:
    Obviously that is an opinion that the majority of people living in CA disagree with.


    But I don't think it matters what they think on every issue...this is one of those issues. The freedom of the individual trumps the morality of others when it harms no one.

    Frankly, I'm surprised it has taken this long and apparently is going to take a lot longer for gay marriage to become a nationwide reality.

    Let's focus on reducing spending, lowering taxes, getting government out of the way, reforming welfare to be a hand up instead of a hand out, holding people accountable, etc...let's get the hell out of the way of an indivual's choice of who he/she wishes to "marry".
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  • Thorns2010
    Thorns2010 Posts: 2,201
    So the Fact Vs. Fiction thing on it, were those actual topics mentioned during the ads to get support for it??

    How can they legally do that?? Because those topics had NOTHING to do with Prop 8 as far as I understand it.
  • Indifference
    Indifference Posts: 2,784
    AmentsChick wrote:
    In the 1950s it was also the 'majority of people' who believed that African Americans should be seperate from whites. God forbid they use the same bathrooms and drinking fountains.

    And now there is AA who will be president. I'm with you on the issue - but there was a vote and your/my side lost - need to accept and move on and try again, educate, support/donate towards the cause when it comes up again. Crying over results is useless.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20081106/us_time/whygaymarriagewasdefeatedincalifornia

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