Office work

Abookamongstthemany · December 2006

know1 wrote:

It's significant, but I think it's a decent amount to work. It certainly not this huge burden some people make it out to be. I find the ones who do think it's too much are the ones that waste hours and hours a day watching TV or movies.

I hardly watch tv but do enjoy dvds on weekend nights. There are so many things I would love to do but never have the time. It's too much because life is for living not working just so you can.

Abookamongstthemany · December 2006

bootlegger10 wrote:

I think 80% of the country would kill for a 40 hour a week job.

Of course, because people need money to live. In our society you have to work to earn your keep. Like life is about being productive...but what exactly are you producing? Profits for someone else that you will never be able to enjoy. Most peoples pay goes to just getting them by. With this beautiful world around us, it's a shame that we have to work just to live instead of working doing the things we love or working on things that enhance and enrich our lives. I know you're going to say everyone can do that but how many people can really actually realize that kind of satisfaction out of life and capitalism still work? The systems not built for people to realize their dreams.

gue_barium · December 2006

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Of course, because people need money to live. In our society you have to work to earn your keep. Like life is about being productive...but what exactly are you producing? Profits for someone else that you will never be able to enjoy. Most peoples pay goes to just getting them by. With this beautiful world around us, it's a shame that we have to work just to live instead of working doing the things we love or working on things that enhance and enrich our lives. I know you're going to say everyone can do that but how many people can really actually realize that kind of satisfaction out of life and capitalism still work? The systems not built for people to realize their dreams.

Capitalism is fine. It's the misunderstood empowerment of those who don't know what to do with themselves but find a way to make money. Any way. You know?

angelica · December 2006

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Of course, because people need money to live. In our society you have to work to earn your keep. Like life is about being productive...but what exactly are you producing? Profits for someone else that you will never be able to enjoy. Most peoples pay goes to just getting them by. With this beautiful world around us, it's a shame that we have to work just to live instead of working doing the things we love or working on things that enhance and enrich our lives. I know you're going to say everyone can do that but how many people can really actually realize that kind of satisfaction out of life and capitalism still work? The systems not built for people to realize their dreams.

I agree with you.

Also, my 24 year old daughter has a flexible job and she chooses the least amount of hours just to pay bills, and spends the rest of her time doing self-improvement--learning, and developing art skills, and uncovering who she is. She does not buy into the conventional system at all. She will gladly keep her focus off of material things in order to grow and flourish personally. It's unfortunate that to the vast majority, this kind of mindset is basically unheard of--or dramatically misunderstood as "laziness", etc. Social ostracization is a way to keep people in line, though. Many of us contribute to it, and keep it going based purely on our programming, without awareness of the consequence of our actions.

Abookamongstthemany · December 2006

gue_barium wrote:

Capitalism is fine. It's the misunderstood empowerment of those who don't know what to do with themselves but find a way to make money. Any way. You know?

I don't think that is all it is. Conditioning exists, as well. But I am not really in the mood to debate this. It kinda saddens me. I just wanted to type out my thoughts and have that be enough. I know many will disagree but I'm not going to go pages defending it when I know it will be fruitless.

bootlegger10 · December 2006

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Of course, because people need money to live. In our society you have to work to earn your keep. Like life is about being productive...but what exactly are you producing? Profits for someone else that you will never be able to enjoy. Most peoples pay goes to just getting them by. With this beautiful world around us, it's a shame that we have to work just to live instead of working doing the things we love or working on things that enhance and enrich our lives. I know you're going to say everyone can do that but how many people can really actually realize that kind of satisfaction out of life and capitalism still work? The systems not built for people to realize their dreams.

Yeah, I was just making a general statement about the 40 hour workweek dissapearing.

Since the beginning of time, I would say people have worked to provide food and shelter. Did the farmer 200 years ago want to be a farmer? No, it was a necessity. Work has always been a means to provide for the staples in our lives.

I don't think any society is perfect. But I think in our society people can generally work in an area they enjoy, or at least caters to their strengths. With all of the scholarships out their for minorities and poorer folks, I do think that anyone who can say yes to school, and no to crime and mischief, can go far in life. I'm friends with college recruiters, and I know that diversity is as important as anything in colleges today. Just look at any college recruiting brochure...if there is one minority at the school, he or she will be on the cover. I will admit that some people have to work more for the dreams, but I think it is reasonable to be able to work hard in this country and realize your dream, or at least be better off than most of the rest of the world.

Abookamongstthemany · December 2006

angelica wrote:

I agree with you.

Also, my 24 year old daughter has a flexible job and she chooses the least amount of hours just to pay bills, and spends the rest of her time doing self-improvement--learning, and developing art skills, and uncovering who she is. She does not buy into the conventional system at all. She will gladly keep her focus off of material things in order to grow and flourish personally. It's unfortunate that to the vast majority, this kind of mindset is basically unheard of--or dramatically misunderstood as "laziness", etc. Social ostracization is a way to keep people in line, though. Many of us contribute to it, and keep it going based purely on our programming, without awareness of the consequence of our actions.

Thank you, Angelica!! You always make me feel sane. I get the selfish, lazy comments all the time, too. I'm living for me not living to work...anytime I can get out of working, I'm jumping all over it. Time spent on me is worth way more than any money I could earn. Cheers to your daughter!!

gue_barium · December 2006

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

I don't think that is all it is. Conditioning exists, as well. But I am not really in the mood to debate this. It kinda saddens me. I just wanted to type out my thoughts and have that be enough. I know many will disagree but I'm not going to go pages defending it when I know it will be fruitless.

You've decided "capitalism" is the evil, and it isn't. I suppose after a millenia of generations it will and can be equivocated with something like human sacrifice, like Mayans sacrificing virgins on the mountain top, but, I know that isn't what you're about.

Abookamongstthemany · December 2006

gue_barium wrote:

You've decided "capitalism" is the evil, and it isn't. I suppose after a millenia of generations it will and can be equivocated with something like human sacrifice, like Mayans sacrificing virgins on the mountain top, but, I know that isn't what you're about.

I don't believe in good and evil. I believe in what is working for society and what's not. So what am I about?

gue_barium · December 2006

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Thank you, Angelica!! You always make me feel sane. I get the selfish, lazy comments all the time, too. I'm living for me not living to work...anytime I can get out of working, I'm jumping all over it. Time spent on me is worth way more than any money I could earn. Cheers to your daughter!!

She always gives me a craving for Cocoa Puffs.

gue_barium · December 2006

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

I don't believe in good and evil. I believe in what is working for society and what's not. So what am I about?

Wait a second, don't turn this around on me.

Let me ask you this: Is Capitalism good or bad?

You don't have to answer now, I know it's sleepy time.

It's cool, all is cool. Happy Birthday.

I'm guessing you would answer that Capitalism is Bad.

I'm not saying you're wrong.

Abookamongstthemany · December 2006

gue_barium wrote:

Wait a second, don't turn this around on me.

Let me ask you this: Is Capitalism good or bad?

You don't have to answer now, I know it's sleepy time.

It's cool, all is cool. Happy Birthday.

I'm guessing you would answer that Capitalism is Bad.

I'm not saying you're wrong.

It's a bad idea by people who view it as a good one. What are you carrying on about?

Abookamongstthemany · December 2006

gue_barium wrote:

Wait a second, don't turn this around on me.

Let me ask you this: Is Capitalism good or bad?

You don't have to answer now, I know it's sleepy time.

It's cool, all is cool. Happy Birthday.

I'm guessing you would answer that Capitalism is Bad.

I'm not saying you're wrong.

You remind me of someone but I'll keep that thought to myself.

angelica · December 2006

gue_barium wrote:

Wait a second, don't turn this around on me.

Interesting. I thought she was explaining her position, which is all about her.

I'm guessing you would answer that Capitalism is Bad.

I'm not saying you're wrong.

You are the one turning this around to being about you. She told you she doesn't believe in good and evil. If you have a different agenda, that's not about her.

gue_barium · December 2006

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

It's a bad idea by people who view it as a good one. What are you carrying on about?

Shit. You may outlast me on this argument.

The thing is, this is Che's thread. If he doesn't go in for Environmental Science, I think he makes a good transcendent of a new Rage Against the Machine. If he's musically inclined.

El_Kabong · December 2006

pickupyourwill wrote:

Here's my 2 cents....for what its worth anyway.

The 9-5 working world is a facade. 40 hr/ wk. office and factory jobs are not useless because they are necessary to keep the world running. However, I will always believe in the motto "all in moderation". These people invest 40 hrs each week to their job and many times take them on as another family----but then what happens to their personal life and family at home? Many people have alot of trouble trying to balance work life with the home life and in many cases, it just doesn't work. Unless of course your girlfriend/boyfriend/spouse works with you or you've worked out some way to include the family in your work.

I feel that many people can get burnt out on the traditional standards of a work week. It may have worked for our grandparents--- but they also still valued the importance of the housewife to help alleviate the stress of the husband----a notion that is unfortunately overlooked in this day and age. Most couples are so concerned with maintaining a 2-income family to gain more money, that they lose sight of their quality of life---meaning that they never have enough time for everything and everyone is always too stressed out. The little important things get overlooked and their children get neglected in many subtle ways.

So, I guess what I'm getting at is that you should try to build a career that is flexible--like working from home or being your own boss or put two different part time jobs together. This is what I've found to work for me so far. Good luck to ya, Cheguevara6.

i read that just a few years ago the avg 2 income family only had slightly more income than single income families just a few decades ago...

it's like we're conditioned from childhood to not allow our humanity to grow. we spend 7-8 hrs a day in schools isolated from ppl outside our age and most of the time we're not allowed to even talk to them...that time is spent being taught the same useless stuff year after year...then we our time outside of school is eaten up by homework and tv...there is no time for families or community

El_Kabong · December 2006

bootlegger10 wrote:

Yeah, I was just making a general statement about the 40 hour workweek dissapearing.

Since the beginning of time, I would say people have worked to provide food and shelter. Did the farmer 200 years ago want to be a farmer? No, it was a necessity. Work has always been a means to provide for the staples in our lives.

I don't think any society is perfect. But I think in our society people can generally work in an area they enjoy, or at least caters to their strengths. With all of the scholarships out their for minorities and poorer folks, I do think that anyone who can say yes to school, and no to crime and mischief, can go far in life. I'm friends with college recruiters, and I know that diversity is as important as anything in colleges today. Just look at any college recruiting brochure...if there is one minority at the school, he or she will be on the cover. I will admit that some people have to work more for the dreams, but I think it is reasonable to be able to work hard in this country and realize your dream,or at least be better off than most of the rest of the world.

i think there's a bit more poor ppl w/o access to higher 'education' than scholarships...not to mention the ones who grew up in a shitty educational system and environment that just seemed to fall by the wayside like so many do

angelica · December 2006

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Thank you, Angelica!! You always make me feel sane. I get the selfish, lazy comments all the time, too. I'm living for me not living to work...anytime I can get out of working, I'm jumping all over it. Time spent on me is worth way more than any money I could earn. Cheers to your daughter!!

My daughter's boyfriend is very intelligent, and he went out and became a trucker, so that he could work one day a week--four a month, trucking for a temporary service at his own bare necessity. He spends the rest of his time learning, learning, learning. His own mother is constantly on his case because of his "poor work ethic", that is drastically different than her own. He sees through the system and the idea of committing one's life to the purposes of others rather than one's own purposes.

My boyfriend, who has a vast educational background in architecture and engineering, works a few days a week at temporary services, in labour jobs, when he needs to, in order to "survive" while spending the majority of his time working on creating his own workspace and business.

I'm surrounded by open, aware people who are open to the inner voice and their personal calling. I personally don't think it's at all lazy to answer the call of life in one's self. I understand many do, but that's based on their own value system, which in that case is quite irrelevent as a standard in judging others. Someday the idea of uncovering one's dreams and goals and living as an extension of that will be normal. It's certainly healthy, if you can learn to manage the slings and arrows of those who don't understand.

gue_barium · December 2006

angelica wrote:

Interesting. I thought she was explaining her position, which is all about her.

You are the one turning this around to being about you. She told you she doesn't believe in good and evil. If you have a different agenda, that's not about her.

We exchange ideas here, angelica. In the here and now. We share ideas. It's always moving. It's never "me". Or you. Peace to you. I've seen your art. It is very good.

angelica · December 2006

gue_barium wrote:

We exchange ideas here, angelica. In the here and now. We share ideas. It's always moving. It's never "me". Or you. Peace to you. I've seen your art. It is very good.

Are you pooping again.

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