what's the fucking deal with Israel?

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  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    sweetpotato wrote:
    actually, if anyone paid any attention to the actual substance of what i said, i said that both sides are responsible. but the thread poses the question, what is WRONG with israel? (i'm paraphrasing, but that's the gist, am i right?). seems pretty one-sided to me, no? and the thread starter is an america-hater from the wonderfully diverse and truly enlightened island of ireland, which has so many lessons to teach us, right? like about living peacefully with ONE other group for years... oh, yeah, they couldn't manage that. let's see. oh, here's one- like showing religious tolerance... oops, failed at that, too. hmmm. i'm at a loss. what exactly does ireland contribute, aside from thousands of immigrants and now millions of native-born americans? imagine that! a country who opened its arms to you, and certainly still does, and we suck! talk about ingrates.

    i just think that if the criticism was coming from a country that HASN'T greatly benefitted from america's willingness to open its borders and spend lots of cash all around the world, it might be a little easier to swallow. unfortunately, there aren't many countries who fit that description.
    LMFAO... your opinion means absolutely nothing to me :) since you've chosen to ignore the other posts that answer your very questions! The title does not say 'what is wrong with israel?' it says 'what's the fucking deal with Israel?' and the first post elaborates on what I wanted to know... mainly why does your government support Israel blindly... using your money... and why do you find that acceptable? As for the rest of your post... proves your ignorance and why your opinion is null :) but thanks for the laugh.
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    sweetpotato wrote:
    actually, if anyone paid any attention to the actual substance of what i said, i said that both sides are responsible. but the thread poses the question, what is WRONG with israel? (i'm paraphrasing, but that's the gist, am i right?). seems pretty one-sided to me, no? and the thread starter is an america-hater from the wonderfully diverse and truly enlightened island of ireland, which has so many lessons to teach us, right? like about living peacefully with ONE other group for years... oh, yeah, they couldn't manage that. let's see. oh, here's one- like showing religious tolerance... oops, failed at that, too. hmmm. i'm at a loss. what exactly does ireland contribute, aside from thousands of immigrants and now millions of native-born americans? imagine that! a country who opened its arms to you, and certainly still does, and we suck! talk about ingrates.

    i just think that if the criticism was coming from a country that HASN'T greatly benefitted from america's willingness to open its borders and spend lots of cash all around the world, it might be a little easier to swallow. unfortunately, there aren't many countries who fit that description.

    Iraq springs to mind.

    Maybe Hels should make a new thread. What's the fucking deal with SweetPotato?

    Your points about tolerance are pretty laughable, coming from a country that's conducting a war on terror that's tantamount to a war on Islam. And you wanna talk about Irish folks living peacefully with each other... how many school shootings have you had in the last year? And that's just cos some kids went batshit crazy, not even over national borders.

    Keep in mind - we're Irish. We eat potatoes like you for dinner every night. :)
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  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    sweetpotato wrote:
    and so do we, but if you really feel that way, why do you feel the need to bash us every chance you get?
    When did I bash you? :confused: My previous post being an exception... cos that was in response to your ignorance :D
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    sweetpotato wrote:
    no, but her incessant criticism is fucking irritating. we;re far from perfect, but we're still pretty great. don't you agree? do you enjoy being shit on constantly by non-americans??


    Our foreign policy is fucking shite


    I don't give a shit who agrees with me or where they happen to be from. It doesn't take American eyes to see our imperialist, murderous ways and reject them.
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  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    sweetpotato wrote:
    that still implies that you assume you and the palestinians were/are the wronged parties and therefore somewhat blameless.

    as far as this newfound diversity, that's fabulous. welcome to the 21st century.
    It doesn't imply that at ALL... the Palestinians are the ones who are being wronged RIGHT NOW! Doesn't fucking matter what happened 1000 years ago... it probably does to them but they'll learn that you can't have a future living in the past! if it does to you well that's your problem.
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  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Why does criticism of American foreign policy always have to equal hating America?
    And why does that make the Irish ingrates? They should have to agree with our official stance on Israel to still be considered grateful?? :confused:
    Abook... meet my good friend 'brick wall' :)
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    Verona??? it's all surmountable
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  • sweetpotato
    sweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Iraq springs to mind.

    Maybe Hels should make a new thread. What's the fucking deal with SweetPotato?

    Your points about tolerance are pretty laughable, coming from a country that's conducting a war on terror that's tantamount to a war on Islam. And you wanna talk about Irish folks living peacefully with each other... how many school shootings have you had in the last year? And that's just cos some kids went batshit crazy, not even over national borders.

    Keep in mind - we're Irish. We eat potatoes like you for dinner every night. :)


    that's stupid. i am just as anti-war as most americans. have you read any papers lately? the war is, um, pretty unpopular here. and you're gonna compare a handful of horrible school shootings to years and years of "the troubles"?? :D now who's laughable??
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    Abook... meet my good friend 'brick wall' :)


    Oh we've met. :)
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    sweetpotato wrote:
    that's stupid. i am just as anti-war as most americans. have you read any papers lately? the war is, um, pretty unpopular here. and you're gonna compare a handful of horrible school shootings to years and years of "the troubles"?? :D now who's laughable??

    All I'm saying is Iraq probably doesn't appreciate America's big policy of spreading your love all over the world. Whether the world wants it or not.
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  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    sweetpotato wrote:
    that's stupid. i am just as anti-war as most americans. have you read any papers lately? the war is, um, pretty unpopular here. and you're gonna compare a handful of horrible school shootings to years and years of "the troubles"?? :D now who's laughable??
    Still you :) the troubles are over m'dear :)
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    Verona??? it's all surmountable
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    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
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  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    NMyTree... you may as well be talking about Northern Ireland 10/15 years ago. I said this will NOT work overnight... but you have to place the foundations of equality NOW and it will take years but people WILL realise there is no other way. This is the only way it worked in NI... it DID take years but of course it did. But until those foundations are placed and whilst it continues the way it is... they're not even on the ROAD to peace yet. Like I said about segregation in US and apartheid in SA... none of these things happen overnight... but it WILL happen if that's what you work towards. There are plenty of people on BOTH sides who want peace and we need to give THEM a platform rather than the ones who speak of hate.


    Like I said Helen, I agree completely. And yes, I am aware of the similarities to Northern Ireland. I truely hope people start putting presure on both sides, highlight and raise the people who want peace to the forefront and diminish/marginalize the haters and vicious of both sides.
  • sweetpotato
    sweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    ok, you all win. america sucks. ireland is wildly diverse. israelis are to blame for everything in the middle east. and once again, a solitary voice of dissent is bullied by the board mafia.

    excellent. you've all changed the world in this thread, too, btw. as you so often do.

    toddler needs attention. and to think, he's 1/2 irish!
    "Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."

    "Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore

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    ~ed, 8/7
  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    NMyTree wrote:
    Like I said Helen, I agree completely. And yes, I am aware of the similarities to Northern Ireland. I truely hope people start putting presure on both sides, highlight and raise the people who want peace to the forefront and diminish/marginalize the haters and vicious of both sides.
    It would be lovely to see... the reality is quite different... not to do the whole Clinton/Bush thing but I think if Clinton had a few more years, they woulda got it :o
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    Verona??? it's all surmountable
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    Chicago 07? And love
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    sweetpotato wrote:
    ok, you all win. america sucks. ireland is wildly diverse. israelis are to blame for everything in the middle east. and once again, a solitary voice of dissent is bullied by the board mafia.

    excellent. you've all changed the world in this thread, too, btw. as you so often do.

    toddler needs attention. and to think, he's 1/2 irish!

    America doesn't suck. Ireland is as diverse as a lot of developed countries. Israel can't keep putting ALL the blame on Palestine.

    And once again, the poster that made a wildly unjustified attack on an entire country plays the victim. :)
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  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    sweetpotato wrote:
    ok, you all win. america sucks. ireland is wildly diverse. israelis are to blame for everything in the middle east. and once again, a solitary voice of dissent is bullied by the board mafia.

    excellent. you've all changed the world in this thread, too, btw. as you so often do.

    toddler needs attention. and to think, he's 1/2 irish!
    Yes, we win... cos that's exactly what we've been saying throughout the thread :confused::D *note... extremely high level of sarcasm*

    There was no bullying... you came out all guns a blazing and rather than giving a reasoned calm opposition... you start spouting a load of bull about what you 'know' about Ireland :D but really... thank you for the laugh.
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    Verona??? it's all surmountable
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    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    And once again, the poster that made a wildly unjustified attack on an entire country plays the victim. :)
    quite ironic... don't ya think? ;)
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    sweetpotato wrote:
    ok, you all win. america sucks. ireland is wildly diverse. israelis are to blame for everything in the middle east. and once again, a solitary voice of dissent is bullied by the board mafia.

    excellent. you've all changed the world in this thread, too, btw. as you so often do.

    toddler needs attention. and to think, he's 1/2 irish!


    Sometimes people just disagree with you. That's all it was.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    quite ironic... don't ya think? ;)

    It struck me right after I hit submit. :p
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    Yes, we win... cos that's exactly what we've been saying throughout the thread :confused::D *note... extremely high level of sarcasm*


    Yep, we won a bunch of made-up points of that no one even came close to saying.

    That makes all kinds of sense. :D
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
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  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    sweetpotato wrote:
    ok, you all win. america sucks. ireland is wildly diverse. israelis are to blame for everything in the middle east. and once again, a solitary voice of dissent is bullied by the board mafia.

    excellent. you've all changed the world in this thread, too, btw. as you so often do.

    toddler needs attention. and to think, he's 1/2 irish!

    And this post illustrates it all.

    No one ever said any of that. NO ONE !!!

    It's only in your lazy interpretation and perception, that you come to these absurd and barely though-out conclusions.

    How many times do people have to plainly state that both sides are to blame?

    People here are clearly and severely criticizing and unhappy with American Foreign Policy. AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY !!!!

    NO ONE !!! said anything about the whole country and all it's people sucking. Are you capable of making the distinction? Can you comprehend the differences? NO ONE is bashing America.

    Ultimately, American Foreign Policy is truely more about American Foreign/International Corporate policy and interests; than anything else.

    That's the reality of it.

    This thread is specifically about calling attention to Israel's behavior and their part in the neverending conflict. It's a focused topic of discussion.

    Rather than a loose, wide, all encompassing topic of discussion. Understand?

    If you utilize the search function in this forum and type in " Palestine" or " Palestinian ". You will come across plenty of posts/threads dedicated to calling attention to the Palestinian's behavior and role in this conflict.

    You'll find plenty of posts by me, there.

    I have no idea why your mentality is so Black or White.....All or Nothing .....One extreme or the other.

    Most people fully realize that reality occurs more to the middle gray area, not to one extreme or the other. Won't you join us there?:)

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