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  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    NCfan wrote:
    I'm pretty sure his point was that the world couldn't have won the war without the US. Not that we single handedly won the war, just that if we didn't come to the aid of Europe, the Axis powers would have won. That's all, and I see no grounds to dispute that.

    Considering the vast majority of the war did not take place on our soil, yet we still rallied to help the allies is a source of pride. I see no reason for that to be wrong.


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  • NoK
    NoK Posts: 824
    Peter C wrote:
    We all know that if you live in a foreign country you have to abide by local laws and customs, but what pisses me off is that in this country we bend over backwards to accomodate the needs of people from all nationalities, religions and beliefs, yet this generosity is not returned when our people visit their country. Just go to speakers corner in Hyde Park,these morons will slag off Uk and US soliders and whats happens to them???...Nothing!!! Sickens me.

    Do you not think the centuries of Western interference in their lands has anything to do with this? Just because you treat immigrants like you treat natives (which is bullshit) doesn't mean they will just forget you used to buy and sell them not too long ago. Its more deep-seeded.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    810wmb wrote:
    oh canada, oh canada

    bacon and beer

    we freed the world

    damn my feet are cold

    You know more about WW2...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • genie
    genie Posts: 2,222
    NoK wrote:
    You lumped the whole middle-east into a "potential breeding ground for terrorists". To get an opinion you shouldn't go visit the most extreme part and make an opinion. It's hard for opinions to change when you already have preconceived ideas.

    what you're saying is true. yes. i don't doubt it
    but don't you worry my "preconveived ideas" do change if i see that i'm wrong.

    but then it's very hard to make a choice isn't it? do you know who bombed London underground? one of them was a normal teacher and a family man, another was a good student......it's very hard to make a decision when everything is nothing as it seems to be.
  • NoK
    NoK Posts: 824
    genie wrote:
    what you're saying is true. yes. i don't doubt it
    but don't you worry my "preconveived ideas" do change if i see that i'm wrong.

    but then it's very hard to make a choice isn't it? do you know who bombed London underground? one of them was a normal teacher and a family man, another was a good student......it's very hard to make a decision when everything is nothing as it seems to be.

    And all the serial killers that seem to be normal people? Your soldiers that are sent to these places and are able to drop bombs on civilians? Does that make you live in fear of befriending your fellow country men?

    I see no difference between terrorism and killing civilians in a corrupt war. If I was having this discussion with an Iraqi who lost his family and house from coalition bombing and is in fear of the West and lumps them all in the "Evil" category I would tell him exactly the same thing.
  • genie
    genie Posts: 2,222
    NoK wrote:
    And all the serial killers that seem to be normal people? Your soldiers that are sent to these places and are able to drop bombs on civilians? Does that make you live in fear of befriending your fellow country men?

    I see no difference between terrorism and killing civilians in a corrupt war. If I was having this discussion with an Iraqi who lost his family and house from coalition bombing and is in fear of the West and lumps them all in the "Evil" category I would tell him exactly the same thing.

    and this is exactly how war is created in the first place.

    but anyway i rest my case, i've got to do some damn work now.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    malabogia wrote:
    do you know that Quaran, the holy book of islam, claims that it cannot be changed anyway, not even a word of it, because it is Allah's word and Allah protects it from being changed. Here is the perfect religion for you, with the personal insurance of god himself but still results speak louder than the cause.
    I still say, welcome to atheism. I am stubborn bastard :)

    How are we to know centuries later that what is written in the Qu'ran is excatly what Allah said. That is my point, none of us in this day and age know what the original teachings where of the founders of these religions. Over time mankind has changed the teaching to the point where the original text no longer exists.

    I do not suscribe to any organized religion simply because mankind has corrupted them all. None of them are pure anymore, morphed and rewritten to fit what those in power want it to say. Even atheism in itself is a belief. A belief in no god, but a beliefs just like Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc...
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Religion is perfect, haha.

    Nothing in our existance is perfect, that includes religion, but if we are solely focusing on what is to blame for the oppression in the Middle East let's say religion is not the culprit. It is manking with all of our flaws and imperfections that has taken something that can be a source of hope and peace and preverted it into a tool of oppression and hatred.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    810wmb wrote:
    hey, if it wasn't for us you would be singing heil hitler

    The Us did not save the world single handedly from tyranny during WW II. If you think about it the Russians played a huge role in the defeat of Nazi Germany and even Hitler himself played a significant role in his own defeat. Had he not invaded Russia the Germanys could have mounted a much better defense against the Allied forces invading Normandy and D-Day would have been a diseaster for us. The US played a significant role but we are by no means the lone hero and savior of the world.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    810wmb wrote:
    yeah right, i'm soooo ashamed...by the way canada really kicked some ass over there...y'all should be so proud...we had ended it before you got your soldiers unfrozen. you guys even have soldiers, or do y'all just throw snowballs at the bad guys?

    i watched private ryan once, just so you know

    it's the same old shit...we waited too long then - so now we don't fuck around, get in the middle of the shit, and we should be ashamed of that too.

    America, the only place where no matter what you do, it's wrong.

    Actually Canadien soldier fought during D-Day. I believe it was either Juno or Gold Beach that was taken primarily by Canadien forces. You grasp of history is either extremely lacking or you are just trolling. Either way it's just sad.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    mammasan wrote:
    Actually Canadien soldier fought during D-Day. I believe it was either Juno or Gold Beach that was taken primarily by Canadien forces. You grasp of history is either extremely lacking or you are just trolling. Either way it's just sad.

    you know what? bullshit!

    either read the whole thread or whatever

    you know what else?

    fuck canada

    big fucking deal, this dude goes off on the U.S. saying we should be ashamed of ourselves..he made the point more frozenheads died during the war the our troops

    they fucked around for a long time before uncle sam came and showed 'em how it's done.

    it's called wwII - the very name implies that the WORLD was in it.

    bottom line the motherfucker would prob still be going on today if we hadn't stepped in


    edit - once again we did too little too late, or we are sticking our nose in somebody else's biz...i wish we wouldn't help not a single bitch in this world...let the fuckers kill each other until they are done. when a earthquake, oil spill, big wave or whatever damn thing comes - keep our asses at home, let 'em all fend for themselves.

    fuck 'em all

    bunch of ungrateful crybabies
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    810wmb wrote:
    you know what? bullshit!

    either read the whole thread or whatever

    you know what else?

    fuck canada

    big fucking deal, this dude goes off on the U.S. saying we should be ashamed of ourselves..he made the point more frozenheads died during the war the our troops

    they fucked around for a long time before uncle sam came and showed 'em how it's done.

    it's called wwII - the very name implies that the WORLD was in it.

    bottom line the motherfucker would prob still be going on today if we hadn't stepped in

    I did read the whole thread and not one single person down played the role the US played in the war. Everyone has admitted that the US played an important role in defeating Hitler. The point that people where trying to make is that the US was not the lone hero here. Russia, UK, and Canada all played a role in the defeat of Germany. To not acknowledge that fact is a slap in the face to all the soldiers of those countries who sacrificed their lives. So you are the one being disrespectfull not the other members who have stated that other countries came to the call and many men from many nationalities scarificed their lifes, not just Americans.

    Also as other and myself have pointed out had Hitler listened to his military commanders and not invaded Russia not even our involvment would have stopped Hitler's crusade. The Germany military was better trained and better armed than ours. We would have never been able to penetrate Fortress Europe with the Russian invading from the East. This would have also impacted our efforts in the Pacific as we would have had to draw on resources from that theatre to aid in our efforts in Europe.

    So in short you are wrong by not giving credit where credit is due. Yes US involvment helped win the war but don't forget about the other countries that where involved in the effort because without them there would have been no victory.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    810wmb wrote:
    edit - once again we did too little too late, or we are sticking our nose in somebody else's biz...i wish we wouldn't help not a single bitch in this world...let the fuckers kill each other until they are done. when a earthquake, oil spill, big wave or whatever damn thing comes - keep our asses at home, let 'em all fend for themselves.

    fuck 'em all

    bunch of ungrateful crybabies

    Well anyone who would say we did too little or we waited to long doesn't know their history either. FDR wanted to help out the French and Brits but unfortunetly he knew that Congress would never allow it. This was seen as a European problem but FDR had the forsight to know that once Hitler was done with Europe the US would be next on his list. The US government and military supplied the British to the best of their abilities while simulateuosly preparing our own military for the possibility of our own entrance into the war.

    It is unfortunate that it did take several years before we jumped into the fray but I believe thatup untill that point we where under-prepared to participate in a full out war anyway. It was probably better that we did wait a bit build up our military so once we did enter the war we would do so with the trained forced and equipment necessary to wage a successful campaign.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    810wmb wrote:
    bunch of ungrateful crybabies

    You expect the entire world to thank the Americans for their part in WWII and believe me, they do thank the Americans, yet you have no respect for any of the other Allied Forces and in fact the only one here who is down playing anyone's role is you.

    Frankly, it's just pathetic.
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  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    Songburst wrote:
    It's hilarious to me that somebody so ignorant can so confidently bash this crap out on the keyboard from day to day. Canada actually sacrificed a higher percentage of the population to the war than the US did. Of course we fought throughout the whole war though, so I guess those numbers are inflated. All that red, white and blue rah rah rah bullshit that you get fed from diapers really skews your perspective on the world.
    WWII would not have been won without the US. They were pretty much the only Allied country with both raw materials and production facilities (Canada was miles behind the States in manufacturing capabilities). It was a collective effort to win the war but the Americans involvement was irreplaceable because what they provided the other Allied countries could not.

    I love Canada's role in WWI and WWII but realistically we provided the easiest resource to use in a war, men to die.
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    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071130/ap_on_re_af/sudan_british_teacher

    I officially dont give a fuck about Sudan anymore.
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    surferdude wrote:
    WWII would not have been won without the US. They were pretty much the only Allied country with both raw materials and production facilities (Canada was miles behind the States in manufacturing capabilities). It was a collective effort to win the war but the Americans involvement was irreplaceable because what they provided the other Allied countries could not.

    I love Canada's role in WWI and WWII but realistically we provided the easiest resource to use in a war, men to die.


    in a nutshell............
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    Collin wrote:
    Frankly, it's just pathetic.

    don't call me frankly
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • NCfan
    NCfan Posts: 945
    810wmb wrote:
    hey, if it wasn't for us you would be singing heil hitler

    Ah ha, this is how this thread got turned into the WWII pissin match. In the future, please don't use this argument as it reflects poorly on all Americans. If this is what you think, then so be it. Humility is the word I'm lookin for here.
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    NCfan wrote:
    Ah ha, this is how this thread got turned into the WWII pissin match. In the future, please don't use this argument as it reflects poorly on all Americans. If this is what you think, then so be it. Humility is the word I'm lookin for here.

    look on the second page *i think* the dude is going on about how oppressive the U.S. is etc.

    i understand yr point, but fuck that.

    a *little* gratitude would be nice every now and then.

    the next fucking time the U.K. is getting the hell bombed out of them, you think they'll look to us for help?


    i forgot - fuck canada
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat

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