Question to Christians about Jesus's family

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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    soulsinging wrote:
    why that but not for having sex with a man, marrying a man, having a baby out of wedlock, having an abortion, cheating on my wife, etc...?

    Who said he wouldn't?
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  • markymark550
    markymark550 Columbia, SC Posts: 5,224
    soulsinging wrote:
    why that but not for having sex with a man, marrying a man, having a baby out of wedlock, having an abortion, cheating on my wife, etc...?
    I meant more along the fact that God is compassionate and forgiving about all your sins, but was just using that as an example. If the person is truly sorry for whatever sins they have committed, I believe God will forgive them.
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    markymark550 wrote:
    It's not a sin to drink alcohol. The sin in going out and getting drunk is overindulgance. Without a Bible handy here at work, I'm not sure where it's stated, but it is in there. However, since I believe that God is compassionate and forgiving, he will forgive you for drinking too much every now and then.
    My personal take is that it is frowned on in the bible to go get loaded. But it didn't make the top ten rules to follow. Kinda like homosexuality. Frowned upon but didn't make the top ten rules. I wouldn't go to church to get drunk nor would I expeect the church to support this behaviour. But I don't want to be condemned for it either, accept me as I am knowing that I'm trying to grow as a person and working on becoming more of the person God and Jesus would want me to be.
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  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    soulsinging wrote:
    why that but not for having sex with a man, marrying a man, having a baby out of wedlock, having an abortion, cheating on my wife, etc...?

    it is true that folks like to choose which sins actually apply. For example, a hetero can get all fired up and self-righteous about homosexuality because it's not exactly difficult to not be gay when you're not gay, lol.
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  • markymark550
    markymark550 Columbia, SC Posts: 5,224
    surferdude wrote:
    My personal take is that it is frowned on in the bible to go get loaded. But it didn't make the top ten rules to follow. Kinda like homosexuality. Frowned upon but didn't make the top ten rules. I wouldn't go to church to get drunk nor would I expeect the church to support this behaviour. But I don't want to be condemned for it either, accept me as I am knowing that I'm trying to grow as a person and working on becoming more of the person God and Jesus would want me to be.
    just because it's not in the top 10 doesn't mean it's not wrong
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    fanch75 wrote:
    it is true that folks like to choose which sins actually apply. For example, a hetero can get all fired up and self-righteous about homosexuality because it's not exactly difficult to not be gay when you're not gay, lol.

    precisely. my favorites are the christians who refuse to use birth control but still have sex before they're married. that's pretty funny. "a condom is too sinful to be forgiven, but god's ok with me knocking her up and leaving her a single mother for life."
  • Ms. Haiku
    Ms. Haiku Washington DC Posts: 7,389
    Restless Soul wrote:
    Does it make any difference to you if Jesus had a family? As in brothers and sisters? Or children and a wife (such as mary magdalene)? What about if the church was found to be involved in a big cover-up of any evidence that these people existed?

    I'm just curious how christians and catholics would feel about this because they showed a programme here on Christmas day about the fact that the church had covered up information on Jesus's family. According to the programme, which kind of followed along the da vinci code line, there is apparently evidence in bible which indicates Jesus had brothers and sisters with their names, which contradicted with the image of the Virgin mary so was covered up. I can't remember the passages now but the church has said these names were actually joseph's kids or they were jesus's friends or cousins or whatever. Apparently whatever the truth is, the cover-up continues.

    So my point is if the church is so interested in covering-up any so-called evidence, what difference will it make to you, as a follower of Christianity, if Jesus did have a family, or the virgin mary hadn't been a virgin, or that Jesus had had a wife and kids?

    Will it really make a difference to your faith, or your understanding of your faith? Just curious really!
    I first thought that this could be a possiblity after reading Christopher Moore's Lamb. It's hilarious, but it basically challenges my previous understanding of Jesus' family as you do with other posters in this thread. It wouldn't change my faith.
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  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    markymark550 wrote:
    just because it's not in the top 10 doesn't mean it's not wrong
    I've never said it wasn't wrong to get loaded. But as a person who is far from perfect the top ten commandments and Jesus' two rules help me prioritize the areas in my life to make changes first. If it is wrong then I am accountable to God and Jesus and not any church or individual.

    It's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning. I see nothing wrong having fun on Saturday night that doesn't have you feeling bad about on Sunday morning.
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  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    soulsinging wrote:
    precisely. my favorites are the christians who refuse to use birth control but still have sex before they're married. that's pretty funny. "a condom is too sinful to be forgiven, but god's ok with me knocking her up and leaving her a single mother for life."

    Well, there are all kinds of hypocrits. I've lied before, but I still believe lying is wrong and will get pissed off if someone lies to me. Also, I hope that I never lie in the future, though I may and certainly have.

    I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Hypocracy in of itself isn't a bad thing, because at least it recognizes right and wrong, even if we fall short of our own standads from time to time. Of course, the example you cite above has a bit more consequences for all involved than one's own personal moral struggles. :)

    It's when folks get all uppity & whatnot, that is aggravating to me.

    Edit: All of the above applies when sincerety is involved, not creating insincere "loopholes" in order to justify ones own bad behavior.
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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    markymark550 wrote:
    It's not a sin to drink alcohol. The sin in going out and getting drunk is overindulgance. Without a Bible handy here at work, I'm not sure where it's stated, but it is in there. However, since I believe that God is compassionate and forgiving, he will forgive you for drinking too much every now and then.


    Ephesians 5:18
    Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit.

    The way i read this, and i could be wrong, is not really a condemnation of drinking per se. i see it more as a caution against drunkenness because of the all other things that drunkeness can lead to.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    soulsinging wrote:
    but god's ok with me knocking her up and leaving her a single mother for life."
    I really don't think God is okay with this. Jesus came with two rules; love God with all thy heart and love your neighbour. Bailing on a single mother pregnant with your child is not very loving in my books. I seriously don't think I could be friends with a guy who did this, or a woman who intentionally becomes a single parent.
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  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    cornnifer wrote:
    Ephesians 5:18
    Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit.

    However, Natural Light is not mentioned, therefore, one coudl assume that God wants us to drink Natty.
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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    soulsinging wrote:
    precisely. my favorites are the christians who refuse to use birth control but still have sex before they're married. that's pretty funny. "a condom is too sinful to be forgiven, but god's ok with me knocking her up and leaving her a single mother for life."

    As a Christian i also sometimes giggle at some of the types you allude to here. The problem is when you attempt to discredit Jesus and Christianity itself, because of the laughable behavior of SOME people. Their obvious hypocrisy does not discredit the faith.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    cornnifer wrote:
    Ephesians 5:18
    Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit.

    The way i read this, and i could be wrong, is not really a condemnation of drinking per se. i see it more as a caution against drunkenness because of the all other things that drunkeness can lead to.
    That's more or less my take, but I take a pretty liberal reading of it so I don't feel bad for the couple times a year I get drunk. I do have to admit that it's a lot easier to fall into temptation when drunk.

    I could have it completely wrong. Time and death will tell.
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    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • markymark550
    markymark550 Columbia, SC Posts: 5,224
    surferdude wrote:
    I've never said it wasn't wrong to get loaded. But as a person who is far from perfect the top ten commandments and Jesus' two rules help me prioritize the areas in my life to make changes first. If it is wrong then I am accountable to God and Jesus and not any church or individual.

    It's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning. I see nothing wrong having fun on Saturday night that doesn't have you feeling bad about on Sunday morning.
    I'm far from perfect as well and occasionally like to drink to excess, so I see what you mean. I'm not saying you are a bad person or anything like that, I'm just stating what's in the scripture. A sin is a sin no matter how good or bad you feel about it...that's pretty much black and white. All in all we are all held accountable to God, and like I stated before if you are truly sorry for your sins and are repentant, I believe God will forgive your sins.
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    fanch75 wrote:
    However, Natural Light is not mentioned, therefore, one coudl assume that God wants us to drink Natty.
    If we can agree on Fat Tire or Kilkenney we have a deal.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    fanch75 wrote:
    However, Natural Light is not mentioned, therefore, one coudl assume that God wants us to drink Natty.

    In a pinch, absolutely. i think there is a passage somewhere, however, that states "do not get drunk on Natuaral light, as it will have you shitting through a screen door", or something like that. Samuel Adams is completely acceptable though. :D
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    How did a thread about Jesus' family break down into a discussion of the beer we should drink while getting drunk? Only on a moving train.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • markymark550
    markymark550 Columbia, SC Posts: 5,224
    surferdude wrote:
    How did a thread about Jesus' family break down into a discussion of the beer we should drink while getting drunk? Only on a moving train.
    lol....I was about to post the same thing

    at least it has been an interesting theological discussion
  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    surferdude wrote:
    How did a thread about Jesus' family break down into a discussion of the beer we should drink while getting drunk? Only on a moving train.

    Because Fanch is in the thread.
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