Global Warming Can Be Stopped, World Climate Experts Say

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  • Posts: 1,268
    farfromglorified wrote:
    If environmentalism stopped at the words of climatologists, then I'd agree with you on the "perception" issue. Now, the rest of this I completely agree with. "Environmentalist" is not and should not be a "bad word". But if enough fools start teaching algebra, "mathematician" will become a bad word too.

    The politicized nature of this is what is destroying the movement. Reason has been sacrificed for control, and the very idea that a 3.6 degree difference in temperature represents a perceived end-of-times scenario demonstrates how little people think about the issue at this point. If humanity in its current form cannot rationally deal with fluctuations in temperature, be them manmade or otherwise, climate-driven doomsdays are nothing more than redundant.

    I just realized that I must be really bad at debating or getting my point across. Your first paragraph, as well as the first sentence in your second paragraph, is exactly my problem with 'the movement' and I thought I made that clear. I even took it step further when I gave you the example of air pollution in China. The politicized nature is hurting the cause.
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    know1 wrote:
    Now that's an argument that makes some logical sense.

    How long is this cooling phase supposed to last and how extensive will it be? If it's supposed to be an ice age and last for tens of thousands of years, then perhaps it's wise to encourage a little global warming.

    unfortunately; it's not an ice age. just a cooling thrend because we're a little further from the sun. the real problem will occur when the warming trend starts again. for an ice age to develope; we must have a catastrophic event that would block the sun; such as a meteor or nuclear winter.
  • Posts: 475
    America as a whole will not care about Global Warming until New York and Los Angeles end up like New Orleans.

    End of story.
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    baraka wrote:
    I just realized that I must be really bad at debating or getting my point across. Your first paragraph, as well as the first sentence in your second paragraph, is exactly my problem with 'the movement' and I thought I made that clear. I even took it step further when I gave you the example of air pollution in China. The politicized nature is hurting the cause.

    I understand that you think that, and I wasn't trying to setup the statements as fundamental disagreements. I simply see you coming at this from two angles: rationality and political bias. In one sentence you seem to reject political statements, and then soon after you seem to grasp onto their concepts. But perhaps I'm simply ascribing to you positions you don't hold, and for that I would certainly apologize.
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    Derrick wrote:
    America as a whole will not care about Global Warming until New York and Los Angeles end up like New Orleans.

    End of story.

    china puts out much more pollution than the us. in fact; they say the pollution in LA is from china. the winds bring it accross the ocean.
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    onelongsong wrote:
    unfortunately; it's not an ice age. just a cooling thrend because we're a little further from the sun. the real problem will occur when the warming trend starts again. for an ice age to develope; we must have a catastrophic event that would block the sun; such as a meteor or nuclear winter.

    So all ice ages were caused by meteors or some other catastrophic event, and without those we do not have ice ages?
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    know1 wrote:
    So all ice ages were caused by meteors or some other catastrophic event, and without those we do not have ice ages?

    you can't make a blanket statement like that. the permian extinction was caused by the siberian flats warming the earths temperature to the point where frozen methane started melting. this raised the temperature another 4 to 5 degrees killing 95% of life on the planet. the dinosaur extinction is believed to be caused by a meteor. other causes are volcanic activity putting dust into the air blocking sunlight. there's a reason behind everything.
  • Posts: 13,066
    Derrick wrote:
    America as a whole will not care about Global Warming until New York and Los Angeles end up like New Orleans.

    End of story.

    Quite possibly...and probably only because boat engines are less gas consuming than car engines :D

    The pseudo-American dream...a hummer in every driveway...big mac combo's baby...supersize my assfat... lol :D
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    onelongsong wrote:
    china puts out much more pollution than the us. in fact; they say the pollution in LA is from china. the winds bring it accross the ocean.

    Probably... As well, all the carbon soot from China is floating up and settling on the Greenland glaciers turning them brown which in turn makes them melt faster...

    nasty...it a global problem...everyones doing it.
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Posts: 3,527
    onelongsong wrote:
    china puts out much more pollution than the us. in fact; they say the pollution in LA is from china. the winds bring it accross the ocean.

    the US is by far the leading polluter and emitter of gHg
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    polaris wrote:
    the US is by far the leading polluter and emitter of gHg

    the reports i've seen show differently; but you must be the top scientist.
  • Posts: 3,527
    onelongsong wrote:
    the reports i've seen show differently; but you must be the top scientist.

    what reports are those?
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    polaris wrote:
    what reports are those?

    i'll find the links when i have a few minutes. you do realize that china is a coal burning nation right? and that the reason they signed kyoto is because it excludes them from compliance. developing nations are exempt and china is considered a developing nation.
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    farfromglorified wrote:
    I understand that you think that, and I wasn't trying to setup the statements as fundamental disagreements. I simply see you coming at this from two angles: rationality and political bias. In one sentence you seem to reject political statements, and then soon after you seem to grasp onto their concepts. But perhaps I'm simply ascribing to you positions you don't hold, and for that I would certainly apologize.

    Perhaps, although I challenge you to show where I've expressed such in this thread. I never suggested that I had the appropriate approach to this problem and understand the far-reaching implications. I suggest you point that political bias finger at yourself, since you were the one that opened that door by injecting your ideology into the debate.

    I did suggest if the earth is heating up, we need to be concerned with measures that might slow the cooling. I also asked you what consequences you envision by assuming GW is real and basing some policy on this assumption. Is this where you see my political bias?
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    onelongsong wrote:
    china puts out much more pollution than the us. in fact; they say the pollution in LA is from china. the winds bring it accross the ocean.

    http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2006/fueling.america/interactive/popup.carbon.dioxide/frameset.exclude.html

    http://www.worldwatch.org/node/1655

    http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/each-countrys-share-of-co2-emissions.html

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3143798.stm

    http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/article358583.ece


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  • Posts: 3,527
    onelongsong wrote:
    i'll find the links when i have a few minutes. you do realize that china is a coal burning nation right? and that the reason they signed kyoto is because it excludes them from compliance. developing nations are exempt and china is considered a developing nation.

    i do know that ... i also do know that the US is a coal burning nation as well and one that has a car per what? ... 2 people? ... compared that to 1 in probably 1,000 ...

    if you factor in per capita numbers - i'm sure the discrepancy would be even higher ...

    at the end of the day - people like to use China as an excuse ... if you're not willing to clean up your own backyard - how can you expect a country like China to?
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    polaris wrote:
    ... if you're not willing to clean up your own backyard - how can you expect a country like China to?
    I thought cleaning up was the right thing to do. You don't do the right thing only because someone else is leading the way. You do the right thing because it's the right thing period. So my expectations of China are identicle to my expectations of every other country, do the right thing. Get moving in the right direction, just like Canada has finally started.
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    surferdude wrote:
    I thought cleaning up was the right thing to do. You don't do the right thing only because someone else is leading the way. You do the right thing because it's the right thing period. So my expectations of China are identicle to my expectations of every other country, do the right thing. Get moving in the right direction, just like Canada has finally started.

    you're right ... everyone should be doing their part ...

    canada is not ... our plan is a joke - i'm sorry but it's being panned by environmentalists for a reason ... it's a bunch of misleading gimmicks much like the rest of the tory agenda ...

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