High school drop-out rate in major US cities at nearly 50 percent

ryan198 wrote:

Have you watched the Wire? I live in B'more and can tell you for sure that these numbers don't lie. Rich people don't care about poor kids school's...it's just a fact. It really fucking sucks too.

Because as long as people stay poor, rich people will be able to use them as cheap labor, making the rich, richer. If the wealth were evenly distributed, the rich would be less rich and the poor less poor.. thats why rich people don't care.

so if a poor kid in the city fails, its a rich persons fault? That doesnt sound right. I know the city is infested with drugs, violence etc. but if you choose to ditch school and use crack, sorry, thats not Mister Smiths fault that works as a CEO down the block.

this is very hard to believe, the majority of the population of the U S is in metropolitian areas.

if 25% are dropping out, it's a clear and present danger to our countries future security. Where's the government at? send in the Marines, oh wait, they are full of drop outs, and deployed....jk, actually a lot of educated enlisted in the Army, and I'm sure the same for the other services. but really, how can this be even remotely true and not have the full attention of our government, or the people of our country at leasst?

Spinbrett wrote:

so if a poor kid in the city fails, its a rich persons fault? That doesnt sound right. I know the city is infested with drugs, violence etc. but if you choose to ditch school and use crack, sorry, thats not Mister Smiths fault that works as a CEO down the block.

No, its not his fault, but people who ditch school and smoke crack don't do it because its "good".. they do it because of influence.. no hope and nobody to give them that hope.

The rich person has a choice. To help out or ignore and help themselves.. its all point of view. Chances are if your parents had money, they used it to influence you because they love you.. Thats what all of this is about. Love.. You can give all you want, but if you are only giving to make yourself feel better then chances are what you are giving is not effective.. a lot of people aren't that fortunate.

We're all the way we are because of influence.. a little genetics combined mostly with influence.

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

RU effing kidding me?

This can't be right...

http://www.inteldaily.com/?c=144&a=5861

"A report released Tuesday by an educational advocacy group founded by retired general and former Bush administration Secretary of State Colin Powell finds that almost half of all public high school students in the US’ fifty largest cities fail to graduate.

The report states that only 52 percent of public high school students in these cities graduate after four years, while the national average is 70 percent. Some 1.2 million public high school students drop out every year, according to researchers."

Those two statements aren't saying the same thing.

This proves that we need to increase funding for socialized education.

farfromglorified wrote:

Instead of trying to force kids into a room, why don't you actually try to give them a reason to be there in the first place? If someone posted a link here reporting that 50% of prison inmates attempted to escape, would you be shocked about that?

No, i wouldn't be shocked.

But if i posted links explaining that public schooling is deliberately engineered to produce under-achieving button pushers, and further, that the educational process is intentionally made obtuse, unapplied, and boring so as to discourage real comprehension or critical thinking, or even that school "education" programs are designed to strip kids of any moral compass and make them the depraved beasts they are becoming, all while purposely breaking up the family unit and placing children under the sole indoctrination of the state, I'm pretty sure i would be scoffed at.

no one cares about climbing stairs, when there's nothing at the top no more. - cornell

farfromglorified wrote:

You certainly would be scoffed at and, partly for good reason. Public schooling is not "deliberately engineered" to do the above. It simply does the above, for better or for worse, because of the nature of its mandate -- to provide knowledge to all with accountability to none.

The primary reason that public schooling (and most schooling, for that matter) doesn't work very well is because it attempts to force thoughts into people's brains. That's an incredibly inefficient and largely foolhardy process. Furthermore, public education makes significant investments where no return is possible.

If the public education system would concern itself not with those without knowledge, but rather those who seek knowledge, the returns would be staggering.

disagree.

multiple class rooms & teachers for different subjects was deliberately\intentionaly introduced with the intended result being the training of a young workforce to accept and be psychologicaly prepared for working in different stations of an assembly line and changing job functions on a schedule.

the very intention behind public schooling in the first place was to seperate the child from his parents, or his parents choice of schooling, and to place the child at the sole discretion of the state (and ultimately those forces which extend their influence upon the state educational system, books, and methodologies) ...

more controversial still, the intention behind "sex education", and "drug education" etc, was not in truth to help protect kids from sex and drugs, but to expose and desensitize them to the subjects, overexposing them at critical periods in psychological development, to the point that their familiarity with such concepts and repeated focus on such actions ultimately led to their participation in and involvement with such activities.

Those are some of the positions i would put forth,
and they are not my original intellectual property, but that of those of whom i have encountered in my own "studies".

Quotes:

"It is frequently the family that infects the child with extreme nationalism. The school should therefore use the means described earlier to combat family attitudes that favor jingoism." -- UNESCO (United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization), Towards World Understanding, 1947, P 58


"Every child in America entering school at the age of five is mentally ill because he comes to school with certain allegiances to our Founding Fathers, toward our elected officials, toward his parents, toward a belief in a supernatural being, and toward the sovereignty of this nation as a separate entity. It's up to you as teachers to make all these sick children well - by creating the international child of the future." -- Chester M Pierce, 1973, Professor of Psychiatry and Education at Harvard University, Denver Education Conference

"The new view is that the higher and more obligatory relation is to society rather than to the family; the family goes back to the age of savagery while the state belongs to the age of civilization. The modern individual is a world citizen, served by the world, and home interests can no longer be supreme." -- Arthur Calhoun, Social History of the American Family, 1919

Here is a song they used to make us sing repeatedly in my "Academicaly Gifted" classes in 5th and 6th grade:
"World Citizen"

World Citizen wrote:

I'm a world citizen, world citizen
Step up and shake my hand.
I'm not just from Wisconsin (Fill in the blank--Ohio)
I'm not just American.
I'm a world citizen, world citizen
home the whole world round.
You and I can break those borders down.

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You can't make this stuff up man.