Ron Paul's Statement of Faith

2

Comments

  • Posts: 1,890
    RainDog wrote:
    If I'm not mistaken, Louisiana has a law on the books stating that if Roe v. Wade is ever overturned, abortion will immediatly be outlawed.

    Of course, that's quite an easy law to write.

    Not entirely unlike so many Pro-War on Terror types who say "Man, if I was over there - you know, if the country didn't need me here in college - I'd be all like 'Die, you terrist scum!' an' gettin' on top a' the buildings with my machine gun an' pointin' down at all them mooslims an' going 'tat-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat' an' shit. Sprayin' blood all over the walls. All of 'em dead. Yeah, that'd be sweet."

    ---Until there's a draft, that is.

    lol, luckily I don't support the war in Iraq so I don't have to go! I want to keep my machine guns here, not for Mooslims but for all the liberals.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • Posts: 59
    Wow. America's turning into its own worst enemy.

    Sure, elect people who'll make bad decisions, or worse, no decisions.

    Either way, I'm glad I don't live there.
    -Defender of the faithless-

    "Hallowed are the Ori"

    http://www.freewebs.com/alnkirk - it ain't shabby!
  • Posts: 1,890
    LoveRock333 wrote:
    Either way, I'm glad I don't live there.

    We're glad about that too.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • Posts: 2,222
    LoveRock333 wrote:
    Wow. America's turning into its own worst enemy.

    Sure, elect people who'll make bad decisions, or worse, no decisions.

    Either way, I'm glad I don't live there.

    well with that attitude, I'm glad you don't live here too. so we have something in common.
    make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
  • Posts: 59
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    We're glad about that too.

    Ouch. My pride.

    It hurts, oh so much.
    -Defender of the faithless-

    "Hallowed are the Ori"

    http://www.freewebs.com/alnkirk - it ain't shabby!
  • Posts: 4,931
    chopitdown wrote:
    well with that attitude, I'm glad you don't live here too. so we have something in common.

    I agree to some extent with LoveRock333.

    I think Americans might be a bigger threat to the "American way of life" or "freedom" than terrorists or anything like that. To me it seems like the US is divided into two separate groups who both have a very clear view of what America should be like and these two views couldn't be more different.

    But is this really how it is, or is this just how it seems to me (an outsider)? Is America divided?
    THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!


    naděje umírá poslední
  • Posts: 59
    I mean no disrespect to Americans, but there is a nationwide paranoia that is allowing extreme aspects of politics to show themselves and seem halfway sane.

    Christian Bible thumping senators? In a country that purports to have a secular government?

    It's could become the polar opposite of certain extremist Islamic states. Maybe escalate into cold war or worse...

    "Never give guns to children." - Common Sense proverb
    -Defender of the faithless-

    "Hallowed are the Ori"

    http://www.freewebs.com/alnkirk - it ain't shabby!
  • Posts: 2,222
    Collin wrote:
    I agree to some extent with LoveRock333.

    I think Americans might be a bigger threat to the "American way of life" or "freedom" than terrorists or anything like that. To me it seems like the US is divided into two separate groups who both have a very clear view of what America should be like and these two views couldn't be more different.

    But is this really how it is, or is this just how it seems to me (an outsider)? Is America divided?

    i think it's portrayed that way in the press and yes there is some division, but if you'll recall after 9/11 there was a lot of unity; so we are able to put our differences aside and work together, but lately it is more about our side is different from your side and our side is better and unfortunately there is an attitude that is beginning to permeate that is selfish. The thing is with 300+million people who are legal citizens you will have differences of opinion on major topics and we often get lost in the details and focus on differences. It is impossible to satisfy everyone every time and with the great diversity we have in our country it is impossible to please everyone. But that aside, we can get along (liberal conservative, religious non religious etc...) and in every day life we have to get along; however, people getting along and working together isn't anything to report but conflict is. Plus the media gives (or perhaps the people take) the loud mouth pundits from both sides frequent air time. If that's all I had to base America on, I'd prob be disgusted by it too.
    make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
  • Posts: 1,890
    LoveRock333 wrote:
    I mean no disrespect to Americans, but there is a nationwide paranoia that is allowing extreme aspects of politics to show themselves and seem halfway sane.

    Christian Bible thumping senators? In a country that purports to have a secular government?

    It's could become the polar opposite of certain extremist Islamic states. Maybe escalate into cold war or worse...

    "Never give guns to children." - Common Sense proverb

    If politicians allow religion to inform their decisions regarding legislation, are you saying that is a breach seperation of church and state?

    Would you prefer thought control? If they allow religion to influence them, would you prefer they enter a re-education camp so that they are turned into atheists?

    Thought control.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • Posts: 2,222
    LoveRock333 wrote:

    Christian Bible thumping senators? In a country that purports to have a secular government?

    i find it strange that you post something about bible thumping senators in a thread where the main statement the senator in questions says is "I have never been one who is comfortable talking about my faith in the political arena. In fact, the pandering that typically occurs in the election season I find to be distasteful. But for those who have asked, I freely confess that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and that I seek His guidance in all that I do. I know, as you do, that our freedoms come not from man, but from God. My record of public service reflects my reverence for the Natural Rights with which we have been endowed by a loving Creator." that doesnt sound like bible thumping to me. It sounds to me like the man is a christian, which since we have a representative congress, makes sense.
    make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
  • Posts: 59
    chopitdown wrote:
    i find it strange that you post something about bible thumping senators in a thread where the main statement the senator in questions says is "I have never been one who is comfortable talking about my faith in the political arena. In fact, the pandering that typically occurs in the election season I find to be distasteful. But for those who have asked, I freely confess that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and that I seek His guidance in all that I do. I know, as you do, that our freedoms come not from man, but from God. My record of public service reflects my reverence for the Natural Rights with which we have been endowed by a loving Creator." that doesnt sound like bible thumping to me. It sounds to me like the man is a christian, which since we have a representative congress, makes sense.

    6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other. The mere mention of a "Creator" doesn't bode well when it comes from the mouth of a politician.
    -Defender of the faithless-

    "Hallowed are the Ori"

    http://www.freewebs.com/alnkirk - it ain't shabby!
  • Posts: 2,222
    LoveRock333 wrote:
    The mere mention of a "Creator" doesn't bode well when it comes from the mouth of a politician.

    in some ways i agree with that. But why does it scare you, personally.
    make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
  • Posts: 59
    chopitdown wrote:
    in some ways i agree with that. But why does it scare you, personally.

    The same reason it scares me that there are Islamic extremist governments in the middle east, or Communist extremism in Asia.

    Normally it wouldn't be a problem, but in the age where people are so polarised in their beliefs it seems to make more sense not to have them at all.

    I'm all for having beliefs if you want them, but things get bad when people try to defend their beliefs. The best defence is a good offence.

    That's why I don't like it. On some level I'm terrified this world will be destroyed. Not by one group, but by many trying to destroy the other.
    -Defender of the faithless-

    "Hallowed are the Ori"

    http://www.freewebs.com/alnkirk - it ain't shabby!
  • Posts: 2,222
    LoveRock333 wrote:
    The same reason it scares me that there are Islamic extremist governments in the middle east, or Communist extremism in Asia.

    Normally it wouldn't be a problem, but in the age where people are so polarised in their beliefs it seems to make more sense not to have them at all.

    I'm all for having beliefs if you want them, but things get bad when people try to defend their beliefs. The best defence is a good offence.

    That's why I don't like it. On some level I'm terrified this world will be destroyed. Not by one group, but by many trying to destroy the other.

    the thing about america though is there are people on both sides of the issue. In Islamic governments and communist asia it's almost a dictatorship and you can't speak against anyone. There will always be people to keep the atheists or christians in check, at least as long as democracy is allowed. How can you eliminate beliefs from government and replace them all with people with no belief and expect it to be somewhat fair?
    make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
  • Posts: 59
    chopitdown wrote:
    the thing about america though is there are people on both sides of the issue. In Islamic governments and communist asia it's almost a dictatorship and you can't speak against anyone. There will always be people to keep the atheists or christians in check, at least as long as democracy is allowed. How can you eliminate beliefs from government and replace them all with people with no belief and expect it to be somewhat fair?

    How can you expect fairness in a government with people with only strong beliefs?

    There needs to be a balance. Not between extremists on all sides, just unbiased people in charge. Whatever happened to being human? Just being nice to everyone, looking after everyone regardless of religion, sex and race?

    Whatever happened to Star Trek?
    -Defender of the faithless-

    "Hallowed are the Ori"

    http://www.freewebs.com/alnkirk - it ain't shabby!
  • Posts: 1,890
    LoveRock333 wrote:
    Whatever happened to being human? Just being nice to everyone, looking after everyone regardless of religion, sex and race?

    Whatever happened to Star Trek?

    LOL!!!
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • Posts: 2,222
    LoveRock333 wrote:
    How can you expect fairness in a government with people with only strong beliefs?

    There needs to be a balance. Not between extremists on all sides, just unbiased people in charge. Whatever happened to being human? Just being nice to everyone, looking after everyone regardless of religion, sex and race?

    Whatever happened to Star Trek?

    i think theres a misconception out there that the govt is only made up of people with strong beliefs. There are a few who do, plus you have to have strong beliefs or at least stand for something when you are campaigning to represent people or lead the country, just ask john kerry.

    There does need to be a balance, and it's prob more balanced than you realize and it's impossible to have unbiased people in general, much less in charge. Don't judge america by it's government judge it by it's actions. There's a lot of good things that americans do to help other americans and other countries. You will always have the fringe groups on both sides, but if life is a bell curve most people fall in the middle and not in the extremes, the reason the extremes get heard is b/c they say shocking extreme things.
    make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
  • Posts: 59
    chopitdown wrote:
    i think theres a misconception out there that the govt is only made up of people with strong beliefs. There are a few who do, plus you have to have strong beliefs or at least stand for something when you are campaigning to represent people or lead the country, just ask john kerry.

    There does need to be a balance, and it's prob more balanced than you realize and it's impossible to have unbiased people in general, much less in charge. Don't judge america by it's government judge it by it's actions. There's a lot of good things that americans do to help other americans and other countries. You will always have the fringe groups on both sides, but if life is a bell curve most people fall in the middle and not in the extremes, the reason the extremes get heard is b/c they say shocking extreme things.

    I agree that it can't be judged like that, but lately with rising international tensions, the government and a large portion of the population seem to think that there's a huge threat that has to be destroyed.

    From the outside in, it appears almost insane. Of course everyone in america doesn't share a paranoid view of the world and there's an even bigger majority that hold reason. But large religious groups hold a lot of sway too, and they pose a threat to freedom more than anything else. Which brings me back to my main point, America could be its own worst enemy.
    -Defender of the faithless-

    "Hallowed are the Ori"

    http://www.freewebs.com/alnkirk - it ain't shabby!
  • Posts: 790
    chopitdown wrote:
    where did he say that?

    Unfortunately, I'm at work and can't access Youtube here, but there was a comment to a Ron Paul video with a link to what he said. I can try to find it later when I get home.

    EDIT - This is the best I can do at the moment.

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul148.html

    The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders’ political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government’s hostility to religion. The establishment clause of the First Amendment was simply intended to forbid the creation of an official state church like the Church of England, not to drive religion out of public life.

    The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance. Throughout our nation’s history, churches have done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility. Moral and civil individuals are largely governed by their own sense of right and wrong, and hence have little need for external government. This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people’s allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before their faith in the state.
    "If no one sees you, you're not here at all"
  • Posts: 689
    I never knew he was so religious. You wouldn't think so.

    https://admin3.getactive.com/img/an2/custom_images/nbjcoalition/RP4.jpg

Welcome!

It looks like you're new here. Sign in or register to get started.
Sign In
Register

Quick Links

Categories