Wimbledon ditches tradition: Women to get paid same as men

mca47
mca47 Posts: 13,343
edited February 2007 in A Moving Train
Ok, I'm all for equal rights but this is bullshit.

First of all the women in tennis literally play 3/5 of what men do. If this was any other job, you would NOT get paid the same. Women tennis players, for those that aren't familiar with tennis, play three sets whereas men play 5.
If women want to play 5 then I'm all for it, but until then I think it's crap!
Granted, women's tennis is much more appealing to watch (damn those hot Russian chicks! :p) but it's still crap!

If I went to work tomorrow and they told me I had to work 8 hours and the women had to only work 5 and we got the same pay...I'd be one pissed off dude.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,875
    i think it is because women's tennis generates more ratings and revenue with advertising and commercials. i read that somewhere once and i don't really feel like looking for it right now. if you attract viewers for the advertisers, then the sponsors should pay you for it.

    who wants to watch federer win every frickin tournament every week? its too predictable. thats probably why more people don't watch the men's game.
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  • trappedinmyradio
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    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i think it is because women's tennis generates more ratings and revenue with advertising and commercials. i read that somewhere once and i don't really feel like looking for it right now. if you attract viewers for the advertisers, then the sponsors should pay you for it.

    who wants to watch federer win every frickin tournament every week? its too predictable. thats probably why more people don't watch the men's game.

    the men's game is boring because there is not as much "skill" in the game anymore...wind up, smack the ball as hard as you can...that's not that much fun...

    if the women generate the revenue then they should be paid for it.
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  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,343
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i think it is because women's tennis generates more ratings and revenue with advertising and commercials. i read that somewhere once and i don't really feel like looking for it right now. if you attract viewers for the advertisers, then the sponsors should pay you for it.

    who wants to watch federer win every frickin tournament every week? its too predictable. thats probably why more people don't watch the men's game.

    I agree that women's tennis is awesome to watch! :)

    But, based on that "Title 9" wouldn't exist in High School sports. It is based on the idea that it shouldn't be based on what brings in revenue but what is fair and equal...:rolleyes:
    Sooooo, if men's football brings in $100,000/year they should get as much funding as the womens volleyball team which brings in $24/year...most of which goes to academics.

    Does it come down to the sexiness of the sport?
  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,343
    trappedinmyradio wrote:
    the men's game is boring because there is not as much "skill" in the game anymore...wind up, smack the ball as hard as you can...that's not that much fun...

    if the women generate the revenue then they should be paid for it.

    But whenever any championship man plays an equal women in tennis he almost always wins. They really can't even compete. It's pretty much the case in any professional sport. Outside of tennis any anything else they can look "hot" in, they bring in significantly less money and aren't as good at the sport...but want the same money...
  • Rue D'Awakening
    Rue D'Awakening Posts: 143
    i think i should get paid as much as the women used to get paid.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Rue D'Awakening wrote:
    i think i should get paid as much as the women used to get paid.

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  • CaterinaA
    CaterinaA Posts: 572
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i think it is because women's tennis generates more ratings and revenue with advertising and commercials. i read that somewhere once and i don't really feel like looking for it right now. if you attract viewers for the advertisers, then the sponsors should pay you for it.

    who wants to watch federer win every frickin tournament every week? its too predictable. thats probably why more people don't watch the men's game.

    Well, actually women's tennis have much lower ratings and profits than men's tennis. The WTA is in constant trouble with its sponsors due to low ratings and low attendance. Sharapova makes tons of cash but it does not translate into the whole Tour. Women's matches are packed only when the tournament includes women and men, like the Slam Events or Key Biscayne. Men's tennis is much more appealing to the public, especially 'cause in the ATP tour you have good matches since the first round, whereas at the WTA tour good matches only happen in the final rounds. Furthermore, thousands of people love to see Federer win week after week, he always does something even more outstanding and wonderful. And I usually root Roddick and Nalbandian, but I definitely love to watch him play.

    About women getting paid the same,even though I'm a woman I have mixed feelings...I'm all for gender equality, but in this case women are not making the same effort as men. However, if women only play 2 or 3 sets it is not their fault. That's the WTA rules. During the 90's, when the WTA masters was played at the MSG, the finals had to be played up to 5 sets. I don't know why the changed it.
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Men are physically stronger than women. It's a fact, just look at our bodies' makeup. The reason women play 3 sets and men 5 is to equal out the stamina, strength and endurance of both genders. Women are working just as hard as the men are as is, if they made women do 5 sets to "equal" up what the men do, it wouldn't be fair because they'd be working a lot harder than men. They probably physically couldn't do it. It's in our makeup. This isn't about numbers of sets played, it's about integrity and equal rights. It's about time women get equal pay for working just as hard as the men.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Men are physically stronger than women. It's a fact, just look at our bodies' makeup. The reason women play 3 sets and men 5 is to equal out the stamina, strength and endurance of both genders. Women are working just as hard as the men are as is, if they made women do 5 sets to "equal" up what the men do, it wouldn't be fair because they'd be working a lot harder than men. They probably physically couldn't do it. It's in our makeup. This isn't about numbers of sets played, it's about integrity and equal rights. It's about time women get equal pay for working just as hard as the men.

    so we should determine things based on efforts, not actual work product? so in schools every kid that does all the assignments should get an A even if they get all the answers wrong becos they worked just as hard (if not ahrder) than the kid who actually got all the answers right? if you're trying REALLY hard at work you're just as entitled to a promotion or a raise as the person who corrected all your mistakes becos you can't perform nearly as well but you really TRIED?
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    I like watching the women play as much, if not more than the men. That being said I think they should play equal matches if they are to get equal pay. I would say the same thing if the men were playing the shorter matches.
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  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    soulsinging wrote:
    so we should determine things based on efforts, not actual work product? so in schools every kid that does all the assignments should get an A even if they get all the answers wrong becos they worked just as hard (if not ahrder) than the kid who actually got all the answers right? if you're trying REALLY hard at work you're just as entitled to a promotion or a raise as the person who corrected all your mistakes becos you can't perform nearly as well but you really TRIED?

    Are you understanding that Tennis is a sport, i.e. physical activity? Men and women were built differently. Women are not, by makeup, as strong or as fast as men. You're trying to compare apples to oranges here. Learning has nothing to do w/ physical activity.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Are you understanding that Tennis is a sport, i.e. physical activity? Men and women were built differently. Women are not, by makeup, as strong or as fast as men. You're trying to compare apples to oranges here. Learning has nothing to do w/ physical activity.

    but they still have to do with measuring and awarding effort instead of results. the men apparently bring in more money and advertising and play longer sets. anywhere else this would mean greater pay. i dont see why tennis is different just becos women are weaker.
  • CaterinaA
    CaterinaA Posts: 572
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Are you understanding that Tennis is a sport, i.e. physical activity? Men and women were built differently. Women are not, by makeup, as strong or as fast as men. You're trying to compare apples to oranges here. Learning has nothing to do w/ physical activity.

    This is correct, but women are playing against women, so if the number of sets to be played would be increased it would be fair. Women could easily play longer matches, it is just a matter of training. Currently women are training to endure a maximum of 3 sets, they could train to endure a 5 set match. However I would find it pointless unless the WTA becomes much more competitive, who would like to see Sharapova beating Ashley Hackerload 6-1/6-1/6-0? In many sports women compete under the same conditions as man (athletism, swimming, soccer come to mind right now)

    Just to clear this out, I'm a former junior tennis player, but I'm fully aware of why men's tennis is much more appealing and why there is controversy everytime a tournament decides to raise women's prizes.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Are you understanding that Tennis is a sport, i.e. physical activity? Men and women were built differently. Women are not, by makeup, as strong or as fast as men. You're trying to compare apples to oranges here. Learning has nothing to do w/ physical activity.

    Everybody on the earth was built differently from everyone else. Should we start handicapping the men's tournament by how tall, strong or fast the person is?
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  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,343
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Are you understanding that Tennis is a sport, i.e. physical activity? Men and women were built differently. Women are not, by makeup, as strong or as fast as men. You're trying to compare apples to oranges here. Learning has nothing to do w/ physical activity.

    Just because they may not be a physically good at it doesn't mean they can't play for as long. Women in other sports play just as long as men, women run marthons, triathalons, etc.
    They have the capability to play as long as men.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    mca47 wrote:
    Ok, I'm all for equal rights but this is bullshit.

    First of all the women in tennis literally play 3/5 of what men do. If this was any other job, you would NOT get paid the same. Women tennis players, for those that aren't familiar with tennis, play three sets whereas men play 5.
    If women want to play 5 then I'm all for it, but until then I think it's crap!
    Granted, women's tennis is much more appealing to watch (damn those hot Russian chicks! :p) but it's still crap!

    If I went to work tomorrow and they told me I had to work 8 hours and the women had to only work 5 and we got the same pay...I'd be one pissed off dude.

    Dude...relax. It's not your money they're spending. It's theirs.
  • Uncle Leo
    Uncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    I think that tennis is the only sport in which women are more popular then men. It could be argued that WNBA players work as hard as NBA players--or at least half as hard. But their salaries are like 5% of NBA players (or less). Not because of how much work is put in but simply becasue of the market for the two respective products.
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  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,343
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    I think that tennis is the only sport in which women are more popular then men. It could be argued that WNBA players work as hard as NBA players--or at least half as hard. But their salaries are like 5% of NBA players (or less). Not because of how much work is put in but simply becasue of the market for the two respective products.

    The men still bring in more money and have a much larger following.
  • chopitdown
    chopitdown Posts: 2,222
    i don't know where I stand on this...on one hand athletes are grossly overpaid for what they do and Wimbledon generates an insane amount of money...why not pay both sexes the same...it's not like the prize money is the difference b/t starving and having food. On the other hand the women are only playing best 2 of 3. and the men technically are working harder and longer.
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