Obama's Birth Certificate thing...

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  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    There is a deadline for a Dec 1st response. One would think they would at least say something either way.

    It seems the ignore route is their strategy.
    How do you know they didn't? Do you have the inside track to Obama's legal team?
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    aNiMaL wrote:
    I didn't quote anything as "law!" Laughs dude. Get your head out of your ass. This birth certificate conspiracy theory is as stupid as the ones who said GW caused 9/11. And that the building was really exploded with dynamite instead of from the jet airliner smashing into the side of it.

    Obama is really an African Muslim, run for your lives, the sky is falling, we've all been duped. He's a terrorist and he pals around with terrorist. He is putting together a bipartisan cabinet, I told you he was an African Muslim terrorist!!! Doom and gloom!!!

    What a fucking joke.

    Interesting picture you painted for yourself there. Let me know when you find someone that thinks that.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    aNiMaL wrote:
    How do you know they didn't? Do you have the inside track to Obama's legal team?


    It would probably all over Berg's site in a matter of minutes.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Interesting picture you painted for yourself there. Let me know when you find someone that thinks that.
    Find someone who thinks this birth certificate conspiracy theory is stupid? How many would people do you want?
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    aNiMaL wrote:
    Find someone who thinks this birth certificate conspiracy theory is stupid? How many would people do you want?

    Who cares. That's not the point. It's in the courts now.

    Let's see how he handles this seemingly trivial situation, it may be very telling.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    RainDog wrote:
    Not the same "they," but there were questions. There's no dispute that McCain actually was born outside the U.S. The question was was he born on the military base or in a hospital in Panama? The question was rendered "moot," I believe, when it was declared that since both his parents were U.S. citizens, then he is a natural born U.S. citizen. That "offspring of a U.S. citizen" thing, for some reason, isn't enough where Obama is concerned.

    Well, actually he was born to American parents (both of them) on a U.S. navy base in Panama. The Panama Canal Zone was American territory when McCain was born there. So basically he was born in the US to American parents.

    McCain, who's nationality and birth certificate were questioned as well, asked legal experts to put the whole thing to rest. They sought it out, he provided his birth certificate.

    Quite simple. So, this "extra Obama scrutiny" was also applied to McCain. The only difference is McCain acted quickly and put the thing to rest. Obama chose this himself, he had the power and means to nip this in the bud, he didn't. Like I said, foolish on his part. McCain handled it more intelligently.
    THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!


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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    There is a deadline for a Dec 1st response. One would think they would at least say something either way.

    It seems the ignore route is their strategy.
    Yes, it is their strategy. From Wikipedia:
    "Although Berg claimed that the Court has required the respondents to reply by December 1, 2008, the Supreme Court's docket reveals that the respondents filed a waiver of their right to respond to Berg's petition.[9] This means the respondents will file no response at all, which is typical when frivolous petitions are filed in the Supreme Court."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillip_J._Berg
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    Collin wrote:
    Well, actually he was born to American parents (both of them) on a U.S. navy base in Panama. The Panama Canal Zone was American territory when McCain was born there. So basically he was born in the US to American parents.

    McCain, who's nationality and birth certificate were questioned as well, asked legal experts to put the whole thing to rest. They sought it out, he provided his birth certificate.

    Quite simple. So, this "extra Obama scrutiny" was also applied to McCain. The only difference is McCain acted quickly and put the thing to rest. Obama chose this himself, he had the power and means to nip this in the bud, he didn't. Like I said, foolish on his part. McCain handled it more intelligently.
    No, Obama did the same thing. He released his "COLB," as the internets like to call it (Certificate of Live Birth). It's a computer generated copy that everyone gets when they request a birth certificate from the state. Hawaii has verified that it is legit. "Expert analysts" (i.e. anonymous internet posters) have declared that the COLB is a forgery, and so are demanding a long form. Only the COLB is not a forgery, so why should Obama comply with the "extra" demand?
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    RainDog wrote:
    Yes, it is their strategy. From Wikipedia:
    "Although Berg claimed that the Court has required the respondents to reply by December 1, 2008, the Supreme Court's docket reveals that the respondents filed a waiver of their right to respond to Berg's petition.[9] This means the respondents will file no response at all, which is typical when frivolous petitions are filed in the Supreme Court."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillip_J._Berg


    Well there it is then, which would probably explain why Berg seems to have dropped it judging by his website and the lack of updating it.

    I guess he'll take it to his grave.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    RainDog wrote:
    No, Obama did the same thing. He released his "COLB," as the internets like to call it (Certificate of Live Birth). It's a computer generated copy that everyone gets when they request a birth certificate from the state. Hawaii has verified that it is legit. "Expert analysts" (i.e. anonymous internet posters) have declared that the COLB is a forgery, and so are demanding a long form. Only the COLB is not a forgery, so why should Obama comply with the "extra" demand?

    I never doubted that Obama was a US citizen. I just think he handled it poorly.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    In any event, here are the outstanding arguments.... scroll down... exhibit a,b,c...

    http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/065_Obama%20Crimes%20Ad%20-%20Wash%20Times%2020081117.pdf

    It is interesting that the online version seems to have been altered.
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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    Collin wrote:
    I never doubted that Obama was a US citizen. I just think he handled it poorly.
    That's the thing, though. He's handled it the same way as every other presidential contender has and went no further. The "went no further" is the part that has all these "Expert Analysts" up in arms. Something's differently about Obama, it seems.
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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    In any event, here are the outstanding arguments.... scroll down... exhibit a,b,c...

    http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/065_Obama%20Crimes%20Ad%20-%20Wash%20Times%2020081117.pdf

    It is interesting that the online version seems to have been altered.
    Oh, God. Altered?

    Here:
    http://hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/210-Bad-Science-How-Not-To-Do-Image-Analysis.html

    And here:
    http://hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/235-Bad-Science-How-Not-To-Do-Image-Analysis-Part-II.html

    As an anonymous internet poster, myself, I could call myself an historian and claim that you are J. Edgar Hoover based on a picture of the words "RolandTD20Kdrummer" photoshopped over a polka-dotted sundress. Story of the Century! Now if only I had a blog.
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    RainDog wrote:
    That's the thing, though. He's handled it the same way as every other presidential contender has and went no further. The "went no further" is the part that has all these "Expert Analysts" up in arms. Something's differently about Obama, it seems.

    We're just looking at it from different perspectives, I guess. I think Obama's case isn't like 'every other presidential candidate' precisely because of all the rumours and slander. Indeed he went no further, this doesn't have me up in arms but I just think that maybe he should have taken it a little further to nip the whole thing in the bud. Instead he decided to treat this lightly, paying no further attention to it and hardly commenting on it. I think this approach has given his 'opponents' in this case more ammo, I think this will only confirm many people's prejudices and strengthen their distrust.
    THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!


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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    RainDog wrote:
    Oh, God. Altered?

    Here:
    http://hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/210-Bad-Science-How-Not-To-Do-Image-Analysis.html

    And here:
    http://hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/235-Bad-Science-How-Not-To-Do-Image-Analysis-Part-II.html

    As an anonymous internet poster, myself, I could call myself an historian and claim that you are J. Edgar Hoover based on a picture of the words "RolandTD20Kdrummer" photoshopped over a polka-dotted sundress. Story of the Century! Now if only I had a blog.

    Interesting. What of the other claims?

    This is a fire that should have taken a little extra water to put out imo...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Interesting. What of the other claims?

    This is a fire that should have taken a little extra water to put out imo...
    Well, I just listened to "the tape" where Obama's grandmother claims to have witnessed Obama's birth. First things first - she speaks in Swahili, so the whole conversation is through a translator. The audio is terrible. The "interviewer" - a one Ron McRae - mistakenly alternates between calling Obama her son (named Barack Obama) and her grandson (also named Barack Obama). Possible confusion over who he was talking about? Couldn't tell you, because the audio is so bad I had to read the "transcript (and take the transcript at it's word) of the translator. And, after listening for 5 minutes, the question is asked, and she responds (again, in Swahili, after being asked the question by a translator, who heard the question in English) that she was present for Obama's birth. At least that's what the transcript says (a transcript of a translator speaking in English on a bad recording relaying what someone said in Swahili). Then, the tape ends abruptly. They got their "yes" and they cut off the rest. Not exactly concrete evidence.

    As for the Indonesian citizenship? Well, Obama is not a citizen of Indonesia. He is a natural born citizen of the U.S., and therefore cannot have his citizenship changed by a step-father in another country. He was simply too young to legally renounce his U.S. citizenship. So, no matter what Indonesia thought of pre-10 year old Obama's citizenship, we here in the United States only recognize our own standards. As such, Obama is still a natural born U.S. citizen.
  • Kann
    Kann Posts: 1,146
    Collin wrote:
    We're just looking at it from different perspectives, I guess. I think Obama's case isn't like 'every other presidential candidate' precisely because of all the rumours and slander. Indeed he went no further, this doesn't have me up in arms but I just think that maybe he should have taken it a little further to nip the whole thing in the bud. Instead he decided to treat this lightly, paying no further attention to it and hardly commenting on it. I think this approach has given his 'opponents' in this case more ammo, I think this will only confirm many people's prejudices and strengthen their distrust.
    I have to admit I still fail to understand why this type of thing is not verified before the elections so everyone can just shut up but I understand RainDog's point :
    why should obama accept to be treated differently than others? this question is to be answered before he should consider giving the documents asked. But then again the whole thing is desperately stupid.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    Collin wrote:
    We're just looking at it from different perspectives, I guess. I think Obama's case isn't like 'every other presidential candidate' precisely because of all the rumours and slander. Indeed he went no further, this doesn't have me up in arms but I just think that maybe he should have taken it a little further to nip the whole thing in the bud. Instead he decided to treat this lightly, paying no further attention to it and hardly commenting on it. I think this approach has given his 'opponents' in this case more ammo, I think this will only confirm many people's prejudices and strengthen their distrust.
    From what I've seen of these "cases," they're padded in such a way that it doesn't matter what Obama's long form certificate says. They already "pre-disbelieve" the information on it. There's really nothing Obama can do to change these people's prejudices and distrust. In my opinion, the best thing he can do is what he did. Do only what every other presidential contender has done in the past and ignore the rest. Let these people twist in the wind. Anything else lends credibility to their claims.
  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    In any event, here are the outstanding arguments.... scroll down... exhibit a,b,c...

    http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/065_Obama%20Crimes%20Ad%20-%20Wash%20Times%2020081117.pdf

    It is interesting that the online version seems to have been altered.
    The fact that you give any credence to a site so overtly against Obama, and you take it as valid points, shows just how ignorant you really are.

    You are more increasingly becoming the laughing stock of this entire forum. You sir bring down the intelligence level of the entire internet by continually regurgitating from anti Obama and right winged conspiracy websites this clearly anti-Obama sentiment.

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