Most doctors support national health insurance, new study shows

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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,701
    baraka wrote:
    'They' as in the consumer and physician with gov't involvement at all? If that is the case I didn't understand your premise at first. The idea is interesting, but I'm not sure I agree with it being implemented 'overnight'. As for the idea, I'll have to give it some though and research to give you an answer with any substance.

    For the record, I've never claimed to know the best way to resolve the health care issue, only that there is indeed a problem with it, so I'm open to any idea that will move it in the right direction.

    I don't think there is a "health care issue". There are thousands of "health care issues", many with contradictory solutions. But I'm not even talking about issues here other than the fact we have two groups of people -- one consuming, the other providing -- that both want to do business in the same way. And I'm asking why they just don't get to it?
  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    i'd be MUCH more interested to know what SOME economists think of this arangement -- particularly the ones with a deep and true understanding of the relationship between socialized medicine and the issuance of fiat currency.

    Who cares what doctors think about this?
    The real problem is that it is perilous to the economic future of our country (a future that already looks ovewhelmingly bleak, i may add).

    Hi drifting,

    Well, I think it is an opinion that an economist should be able to appreciate. When you (as a private-practice physician) have to over-staff your medical practice to keep up with all the tricks and traps used by the medical insurance companies, and you have to pay more to borrow money from the bank because the insurance companies drive up the age of your receivables with their denials and delays, you've got trouble. Insurance companies drive up the cost of medical care and reduce the quality of medical care. Nobody knows this better than doctors and their staff. Despite the natural resistance to making such a sweeping change, it appears that a lot of doctors think that the financial performance of their practices will improve if a single-payer system is put in place.
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  • beachdweller
    beachdweller Posts: 1,532
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Hmm...since a majority (or near majority) of American citizens and a majority of doctors support national health insurance, then why don't those two majorities go form a cooperative wherein those doctors provide services only to citizens paying into that cooperative? I mean, this could be done nearly overnight. What are they waiting for?

    I love how all our major problems seem to come to an overnight sensation (just a generalization, not placing this all on your statement)...on basic premise, we need to break the system to fix it, which will mean some, most likely doctors, would have to make a sacrifice to achieve it. Break the insurance system/HMO/etc would be a big first step. Hospitals in big cities are somewhat fragile, so that could be a problem, so I think it's more likely that the government would have to be involved to really make this happen, but pressured by us, the people, of course.

    how ever it happens, it's a fight we have to win.
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,701
    beachdweller wrote:
    I love how all our major problems seem to come to an overnight sensation (just a generalization, not placing this all on your statement)...on basic premise, we need to break the system to fix it, which will mean some, most likely doctors, would have to make a sacrifice to achieve it. Break the insurance system/HMO/etc would be a big first step. Hospitals in big cities are somewhat fragile, so that could be a problem, so I think it's more likely that the government would have to be involved to really make this happen, but pressured by us, the people, of course.

    how ever it happens, it's a fight we have to win.

    I think you're misreading my statement as a belief in single-payer healthcare. I think single-payer healthcare is incredibly stupid, to be frank. That said, I do think the insurance/hmo system should be moved away from. The fact of the matter is that single-payer healthcare is just a giant hmo, so if hmo's are bad, how can single-payer be good?

    If you want to get away from insurance companies, simply look at how they were made to be ubiquitous: tax incentives created by the government during an era of wage freezes. If you would start taxing corporate insurance plans as the income that it is, you could quickly dismantle the insurance stronghold on medicine.

    Regardless, my original point was that if both a bunch of providers and a bunch of consumers want single-payer, what the fuck are they waiting for??? All they need to do is create a non-profit that collects money from the consumers and gives it to the providers.
  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    farfromglorified wrote:
    That said, I do think the insurance/hmo system should be moved away from.

    Really, then why did you say this to me earlier in the thread?
    farfromglorified wrote:
    I don't think there is a "health care issue".

    By, health care issues, I meant our current system. Why would you want to move away from a system you see no 'issues' with?
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    but the illusion of knowledge.
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  • beachdweller
    beachdweller Posts: 1,532
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Regardless, my original point was that if both a bunch of providers and a bunch of consumers want single-payer, what the fuck are they waiting for??? All they need to do is create a non-profit that collects money from the consumers and gives it to the providers.

    I'm not for or against single payer, but am for breaking the current system, de-corporatizing it, but my point and yours above are easier said than done.

    everything is so deeply entwined, it'll be a long road.
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,701
    baraka wrote:
    Really, then why did you say this to me earlier in the thread?

    By, health care issues, I meant our current system. Why would you want to move away from a system you see no 'issues' with?

    I didn't say that I don't see any issues with the system. I said I see thousands of issues with the system, and there are likely thousands more. What I reject is the logic saying that there is an (as in singular) issue at hand, which implies some kind of universal panacea.

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