How much jail time for women who've had abortions?

onelongsong wrote:

you're right. a man has no say in the matter. yet if she has the kid he has no say in the upbringing except to pay child support. if i am responsable for that child; and the child carries my DNA; i should have a say in the death of that child.
back in 1992; my girlfriend got pregnant. i begged her not to aboprt it. a year later we were married and she wanted a baby more than anything. she couldn't get pregnant because of something connected with the abortion. i still think of that child. how old it would be now. if it would've been a boy or girl. if my (now ex) wife wouldn't have turned to cocaine.
so it's not just the woman that has to live with abortion.

That's a sad story but an excellent testament to the unforeseen consequences of abortion. The rosey picture portrayed by the clinics is definitely not the case and I thank you for sharing that with us.

fragileblake wrote:

Ugly? Seriously? Name one republican woman thats hotter than Angelina Jolie or Scarlet Johansen. Not to mention people like Brad Pitt and Ben Afleck and even Barack Obama on the other gender. Shit, name one hot republican celebrity period. Have you ever been to Portland, Seattle, LA or New York City? There are shitloads of hot chicks, ask them who they vote for. If you want to talk shit about us liberals thats fine, but we're much more attractive on average.

No way. You guys got all the ugly dykes, don't forget them. We have hot cheerleader bimbos, southern country chicks, pop wannabes (b/c of Britney Spears), and Elizabeth Hasselbeck.

You may have a lot of actresses and shit, but we have some hot chicks that have converted because of Ann Coulter. These are the girl next door types that go to college, not dumbass hollywood knownothings.

redrock wrote:

See.. that's the thing.. being pregnant and giving birth is not just about costs and money (or a dilated vagina, as one put it so nicely). There is a shitload of things happening to the expectant mother, physically, emotionally, heathwise, that is extremely difficult to describe if you haven't been through it. This does not stop with the birth... It is a very complicated situation.. most ladies going through a termination suffer a lot of angst about it, before and after, whatever her situation may be. Adding prison time to that would just be wrong.

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I'm not saying it's all about money and costs. Either way, it's a raw deal. But, it's a decision that has to be made.
I'm stating that the decision should also be tempered by the man in the equation. I'm guessing that in many cases... the male vaporizes into thin air as soon as the words, 'Honey... I'm late' are uttered. If you want the men to share in the responsibilities of the pregnancy... you have to allow him rights to it.

fragileblake wrote:

You're seriously citing elizabeth hasselbeck?

You guys also have all the ugly redneck church ladies, I'll take a lesbian thanks. And I can tell you've never been around a liberal arts college, or been to an anti war protest

I go to the College of William and Mary in Williamsburg, VA. A liberal arts college. And I've been to an anti-war protest at said college. My college has been rated by playboy as one of the ugliest campuses in America. For girls. Not guys. I go there.

soulsinging wrote:

last i checked, there were a hell of a lot of kids in fucked up foster care systems waiting to be adopted. so it looks like y'all have a bit more work to do then.

has your family adopted a baby?

The point you are missing is that these women should be more responsible and NOT get pregnant in the first place. You cannot argue that MOST of the women who seek abortions are raped. That simply isn't so. They are usually women who cannot afford a child, women who do not want a child, drug users or young girls who were careless or uneducated.

The problem isn't with deciding what to do AFTER conception...the problem is WHY these particular women are getting pregnant in the first place.

Most times it is due to carelessness or ignorance. Both of which can be erraticated if energy was put into them instead of fighting for the right to abort.

The priorities are skewed.

Juberoo wrote:

Most times it is due to carelessness or ignorance. Both of which can be erraticated if energy was put into them instead of fighting for the right to abort.

Oh, that's very nice, I like that a lot. We as a society don't put energy or resources into combating ignorance (say, through comprehensive sex-ed programs), so as a result we have women acting out of ignorance, and we should put them in prison for life? There's some compassionate conservatism!

10 years per second-term fetus

20 years per third-term fetus

Add 10 years if the post-abortion pictures are nice and gory

Add 10 years if the woman is a filthy liberal

Subtract 10 years for young attractive busty blonde women


FIN

Jeanie wrote:

Bullshit! Why don't you do a little research about what went on before medically provided abortions were available?

Or better yet have a little look at what they do in Africa?

But you just keep rewriting history! :rolleyes:

I've said it before and I'll say it again ... I'm glad neither of my kids wanted to go to the College of William and Mary. I'd refuse to pay for it, because it's obvious that you don't learn shit about history there.

well, Nicole Ritchie is pregnant.... just thought I'd add that to this thread....