Wow... I didn't know this...

saveuplife
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This isn't good...
Palin routes campaign cash to family, their firms
Discloses $2 million in business arrangements
Jim McElhatton (Contact)
Wednesday, October 15, 2008
Republican vice-presidential candidate Gov. Sarah Palin has paid more than $2 million in campaign cash to her family members, their businesses and employers over the years, a practice that watchdogs criticize as rife with potential conflicts of interest.
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Palin routes campaign cash to family, their firms
Discloses $2 million in business arrangements
Jim McElhatton (Contact)
Wednesday, October 15, 2008
Republican vice-presidential candidate Gov. Sarah Palin has paid more than $2 million in campaign cash to her family members, their businesses and employers over the years, a practice that watchdogs criticize as rife with potential conflicts of interest.
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I think this story is about biden....0
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You sure you didn't make a typo?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/15/biden-routes-campaign-cash-to-family-their-firms/
Biden routes campaign cash to family, their firms
Discloses $2 million in business arrangements
Jim McElhatton (Contact)
Wednesday, October 15, 2008
Democratic vice-presidential candidate Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. has paid more than $2 million in campaign cash to his family members, their businesses and employers over the years, a practice that watchdogs criticize as rife with potential conflicts of interest.
The money largely flowed from the coffers of Mr. Biden's failed presidential campaign during the past two years to a company that employs his sister and longtime campaign manager, Valerie Biden Owens, according to campaign disclosure filings.
The senator from Delaware also directed campaign legal work to a Washington lobbying and law firm founded by his son R. Hunter Biden, the disclosures show.
Putting family members and their companies on the political payroll is legal if the work is legitimate and charged at market rates, according to the Federal Election Commission. Still, public watchdog groups have long criticized such arrangements.
"Even though legal within restraints, it's not something I view as completely ethical," said Craig Holman, legislative director for Public Citizen, a campaign finance watchdog organization. "Any candidate ought to shy away from that."
Aides to Mr. Biden said all of the payments he has made to family members or their employers were aboveboard.- Busted down the pretext
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Yea, I was trying to make a point. You'd be hearing a lot more about this if it was about Palin. It would be front page everywhere.0
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I'm pretty sure the OP did this on purpose...
Thinking folks would rail on Palin, then s/he could play the old switch-a-roo...0 -
saveuplife wrote:Yea, I was trying to make a point. You'd be hearing a lot more about this if it was about Palin. It would be front page everywhere.
ha ha...I knew it...
I'd be willing to bet if this story came from a source other than the RNC, it may be front page news...
as for you implication that sarah gets too much negative press, it seems that her ethics violations are not getting much play in the "liberal" media right now...0 -
That's too bad...at first I was really impressed; "wow, saveuplife's really taking it to the candidate he/she supports!" Alas, there's always another day and another scandal.
That being said, yes, that's pretty ridiculous, if true. We'll see if a source besides the Washington Times picks it up.0 -
Solat13 wrote:You sure you didn't make a typo?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/15/biden-routes-campaign-cash-to-family-their-firms/
Biden routes campaign cash to family, their firms
Discloses $2 million in business arrangements
Jim McElhatton (Contact)
Wednesday, October 15, 2008
Democratic vice-presidential candidate Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. has paid more than $2 million in campaign cash to his family members, their businesses and employers over the years, a practice that watchdogs criticize as rife with potential conflicts of interest.
The money largely flowed from the coffers of Mr. Biden's failed presidential campaign during the past two years to a company that employs his sister and longtime campaign manager, Valerie Biden Owens, according to campaign disclosure filings.
The senator from Delaware also directed campaign legal work to a Washington lobbying and law firm founded by his son R. Hunter Biden, the disclosures show.
Putting family members and their companies on the political payroll is legal if the work is legitimate and charged at market rates, according to the Federal Election Commission. Still, public watchdog groups have long criticized such arrangements.
"Even though legal within restraints, it's not something I view as completely ethical," said Craig Holman, legislative director for Public Citizen, a campaign finance watchdog organization. "Any candidate ought to shy away from that."
Aides to Mr. Biden said all of the payments he has made to family members or their employers were aboveboard.
Campaign money doesn't really bother me that much... people are giving this money, not being forced to. If it was tax money, then that is a bigger problem.
The bold part is the most important in my opinion. If the campaign has to pay a legal firm for services, it doesn't bother me that he uses his son's if they are paying normal rates, etc. I try to support friends' & families' businesses when I can... BUT, it doesn't look good at all for a candidate/politician to do.My whole life
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“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
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I do have to wonder sometimes....with such a pervasive, far-reaching and destructive Liberal Media Bias/Conspiracy, it really is quite something that Republicans have held the Presidency for eight years and was the majority party in Congress for 16 of the last 18 years. They're really quite something. With all this liberal bias everywhere, you'd think they'd never have a shot, but they persevere nonetheless.0
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digster wrote:I do have to wonder sometimes....with such a pervasive, far-reaching and destructive Liberal Media Bias/Conspiracy, it really is quite something that Republicans have held the Presidency for eight years and was the majority party in Congress for 16 of the last 18 years. They're really quite something. With all this liberal bias everywhere, you'd think they'd never have a shot, but they persevere nonetheless.
That doesn't make sense. According to what you are saying, the media is the entire population... or the media completely controls the populations' opinions.
I think there is a clear bias in the news... it's been quoted that roughly 90% of journalists vote Democrat. If you don't think that seeps into their stories, you are crazy. That said, I don't think the bias affects political outcomes too much. In some cases, it actually energizes the opposition.
That doesn't make it right though... it's about ethics. I have a deep respect for liberals/conservatives who can write the real story.0 -
digster wrote:That's too bad...at first I was really impressed; "wow, saveuplife's really taking it to the candidate he/she supports!" Alas, there's always another day and another scandal.
That being said, yes, that's pretty ridiculous, if true. We'll see if a source besides the Washington Times picks it up.
"If" another source picks it up.... that's the point of the thread.0 -
That's it. I'm out. I'm going third.I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.0
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Isn't this old news? When Obama selected Biden I remember reading a story about Joe doing favors for his lobbiest son.... is this the same story? I remember the conflict of interest comments almost verbatum.....the Minions0
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4 more years!!
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Strangest Tribe wrote:Isn't this old news? When Obama selected Biden I remember reading a story about Joe doing favors for his lobbiest son.... is this the same story? I remember the conflict of interest comments almost verbatum.....
It was released today.0 -
I'd love to see cnn or msnbc cover this.0
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Come on man, I know you're trying to make a point--a potentially valid one--but at least post the rest of the story.Washington Times wrote:"While no Biden family members are being paid by the Obama-Biden campaign, one of Joe Biden´s greatest political strengths and secret weapon has always been his sister Valerie, starting with her role managing his David-versus-Goliath upset Senate victory in 1972," said Biden spokesman David Wade.
"Valerie is a well-known and highly regarded political operative in Democratic politics in Delaware and nationally, and her firm has worked on top races from Michigan to Texas. End of story," Mr. Wade said.
The News Journal
Mr. Biden is hardly alone among members of Congress whose campaigns hold close ties to family. FEC records also show that Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain's political action committee, Straight Talk America, paid more than $15,000 in 2006 to his wife, Cindy.
There article is even longer and can be found at: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/15/biden-routes-campaign-cash-to-family-their-firms/
This hardly seems like some big huge scandal and to paint it as such, at the moment, when no one has accused Senator Biden of wrong doing, is just dishonest.0 -
nothinghead wrote:Come on man, I know you're trying to make a point--a potentially valid one--but at least post the rest of the story.
There article is even longer and can be found at: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/15/biden-routes-campaign-cash-to-family-their-firms/
This hardly seems like some big huge scandal and to paint it as such, at the moment, when no one has accused Senator Biden of wrong doing, is just dishonest.
c'mon - peeps need to rationalize the fact they are voting for mccain (i.e. a continuation of bush policies) ... they are prepared to do whatever it takes to make themselves feel good ...0 -
saveuplife wrote:"If" another source picks it up.... that's the point of the thread.
Well, that's the thing. I'm a liberal who thinks it would be foolish to say a paper like the New York Times doesn't have a liberal slant, somewhat in its' reporting and more overtly in its' editorials. The problem with this statement is that it assumes that papers like the New York Times have a 'liberal' slant whereas a paper like Washington Times "tells it like it is." Please...the Washington Times is as conservative as the NY Times is liberal, but conservatives don't see that because it appeals to their worldview. There's no bias, it's just the truth (and before you jump on my point, it's the same with many liberals; the NY Times is gospel while the D.C. Times is garbage). When it comes to bias, as with most other things in life, the splinter in the opposition's eye is much easier to see than the one in your own. So, when I said we'll see if a source besides the Washington Times confirms it, I'm acknowledging that the D.C. Times has skin in the game; it has a bias, a worldview that would lead them to harp on this and shuffle other things under the rug. There's no such thing is strict objectivity. Unless, of course, you feel that the Washington Times is unbiased whereas the NY Times are flaming liberal, in which case I think you'd need to remove the splinter from your own eye.
I think the Big Bad Liberal Media Conspiracy, although though true in aspects, has become a crutch for conservative base, something to rally about without ever addressing it adequately. And if there was this overriding conspiracy to help liberals win elections, why wouldn't it have an impact? According to most conservatives, including your original post, facts are being buried, stories are being manipulated. With such an overriding liberal media conspiracy, how would voters ever receive the facts they need to make an informed decision? By this token, the cards would be permanently stacked against the conservatives ever holding office. Considering the talk of the Liberal Media Bias seems to come up every four years (coincidentially, every time a presidential election comes around), I was simply noting that despite it being such a pervasive issue, it obviously hasn't hurt the conservatives at the voting booth. Makes me wonder if it's a real issue or a campaign slogan.
My problem with the mainstream media has less to do with bias, and more to do with gutlessness. Too many media types refuse to call a spade a spade and a lie a lie. Case in point; Obama's Spanish-language ad tying Limbaugh to McCain. I watched them have a McCain and Obama surrogate on, and they let each spin their crap, and then they pretty much left it at that without acknowledging that the facts were that the ad was bullshit. It goes both ways; they'll have a McCain/Obama surrogate argument about how Obama wants to raise middle-class taxes without the acknowledgement that McCain's side is wrong, and that Obama has proposed middle-class tax cuts. The job of reporters is to report the facts, not the two campaigns' versions of the facts. To do so is not a version of objectivity; that's hiding one's head in the sand to common sense, and it's denying voters the facts that they need. If the facts of the matter clearly illustrate that any given advertisement is a blatant lie, all viewpoints should be considered, but the media should be willing to take a stand, and they take no stands these days for fear of offending any candidate or being accused of bias of any stripe. So I'm probably the only one calling for more "bias" in the media, but this current half-assed, gutless method of journalism needs an overhaul.
To be fair, though, the democratization of the media through the use of the Internet has changed everything. I'm the first to admit that it's hard to prove anything anymore. For each article and statistic that accurately prove Obama's wrong, they'll be another article or statistic proving Obama wrong on the same subject somewhere on the World Wide Web; how do you find the truth with such a vast amount of information? So I don't envy the job reporters have, but they still should be doing a better job than they are.0 -
nothinghead wrote:Come on man, I know you're trying to make a point--a potentially valid one--but at least post the rest of the story.
There article is even longer and can be found at: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/15/biden-routes-campaign-cash-to-family-their-firms/
This hardly seems like some big huge scandal and to paint it as such, at the moment, when no one has accused Senator Biden of wrong doing, is just dishonest.
Accrording to the article,...
****McCain campaign spokesman Brian Rogers said the payment reimbursed Mrs. McCain for catering expenses she had covered in connection with an election night party.
As to your point,...
Settle. There's a reason for the post. And I never claimed it was a "big hudge scandle" and I didn't "paint it as such. I think it's most likely a dumb @ss move by Biden. Moreover, it does have potential to be a scandal.
But, the POINT of this thread is that this would be all over every news network if it was Palin. It's not, so it gets buried and only reported by right-leaning press. That's the point.... and it's accurate. The point is journalists are not reporting stuff like this and that's bad for everyone.
If there's more facts to be had on this... great. If this is BS... fine. Their job as journalists are to dig up the facts and report. They should be doing their job. This should be on cnn.com, but it's on drudgereport.com. It's not surprising drudge gets more viewers.0
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