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PEPPER wrote:These "unborn children" are fucking living beings and your presidential candidate is all for killing them because the "parent" does not want them...sadly I once believed like you that abortion was OK and it wasn’t my choice to decide for a person what to do...but after seeing a child develop right in front of me I just cannot justify that reasoning anymore...and hopefully when your chance comes to become a parent you will see this also. Abortion is murder and is no different then someone killing another human being for money.
Ok, so it is republicans fault you raise your baby in a ghetto....shitty public school system you believe is the result of the federal government...then you voluntarily sign up to join the army and get sent to fight a war......I am with you on the vet benefits but the rest of your arguments are pretty off base.
Ghetto living and shitty public schools are a result of your local government not the feds....Bush can't be blamed for those and if you can convince me otherwise have at it
Which is it, have I not had my chance to be a parent, or am I raising my baby in the ghetto?
All kidding aside, I am the grandfather of two beautiful children, ages 3 and 7, and my daughter and her husband are raising them in the same little seaside town in Connecticut that my wife and I live in. We are basically their day care providers so I see them almost every day and also have seen them develop. I do not believe that a child is a child until it is viable out of the womb. A women should be able to choose up until then whether or not she can take care of it. What about cases of rape, incest, or when the mother's life is in danger. Should a woman, or girl as in many cases, be forced to bring that child into the world, as the Neocons and the Evangelicals and the Sarah Palin's think. Just because she chose to have a baby with Down Syndrome does not be that others are prepared to do so.
To say that our education system is the responsibility of local government is just naive. Local governments cannot afford to run a school system without at least 60 percent of it coming from the state and federal level. The only Republican answer to this is to give the well-to-do vouchers to send their kids to private schools and siphon off even more of this money. No Child Left Behind? No Child, millions of children left behind by Bush, Cheney, Mccain, and Palin.
Oh yes, and ghetto's and sub-standard housing are the fault of the people living there, right? The Feds have nothing to do with that, either. I grew up in a town where the Feds, under the guise of the city, came in and tore down an entire neighborhood and gave it to a pharmaceutical company. They did it under the guise of 'Eminent Domain', and the Supreme Court, who put Bush in office in the first place, allowed it to happen. The Federal Government has their hand in everything.0 -
decides2dream wrote::eek:
Sarah Palin appeals to a crucial swing voter constituency in this election: militantly anti-choice, anti gay rights, disaffected Hillary Clinton supporters who favor teaching creationism in public schools, are lifetime, card-carrying NRA members, supported Pat Buchanan’s run for president, and support oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge as their signature issue
*shudders*
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They hope to attract women who don’t know her, and perhaps even some who don’t yet believe that women’s reproductive health is genuinely threatened by policies reducing access to contraception currently proposed by the Bush Administration, and by the promise to overturn Roe v. Wade that McCain has underscored with Palin’s selection.
Former Republican Congressman and host of MSNBC’s Morning Joe, Joe Scarborough said, “If John McCain’s campaign thinks he can get Hillary Clinton voters by choosing Palin it is condescending and insulting to women and it is a terrible political faux pax.”
HELL FUCKIN' YEA IT IS!
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But, predominantly, Hillary voters aren't anti-choice and anti-gay rights, in that order. If McCain wants Hillary voters, he needs someone more like Hillary. To me, this isn't rocket science. More like Hillary doesn't equal just having a vagina. Most Hillary voters, myself included, did not support Hillary because she has a vagina; we supported her because we thought her to be ideologically like us. That she had a vagina was kind of nice plus, but it was really very, very secondary to whether she held similar ideals. That's why I've moved over to Obama. He has a penis, but he has the same ideas. So, gender isn't a deal maker or breaker. He's really just like Hillary; in fact, at this point he appears to have even taken Hillary's health plan for his own (which was probably part of the deal with her going all out for him).0 -
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchell/2-top-alaska-newspapers-q_b_122625.html
Since yesterday's shocking arrival of Gov. Sarah Palin as John McCain's running mate there has been the usual cable news and print blathering about the pick from those who know little about her. But what about the journalists close to home -- in Alaska -- who know her best and have followed her career for years?
For the past 24 hours, the pages and web sites of the two leading papers up there have raised all sorts of issues surrounding Palin, from her ethics problems to general lack of readiness for this big step up. Right now the top story on the Anchorage Daily News web site looks at new info in what it calls "troopergate" and opens: "Alaska's former commissioner of public safety says Gov. Sarah Palin, John McCain's pick to be vice president, personally talked him on two occasions about a state trooper who was locked in a bitter custody battle with the governor's sister.
"In a phone conversation Friday night, Walt Monegan, who was Alaska's top cop until Palin fired him July 11, told the Daily News that the governor also had e-mailed him two or three times about her ex-brother-in-law, Trooper Mike Wooten, though the e-mails didn't mention Wooten by name. Monegan claims his refusal to fire Wooten was a major reason that Palin dismissed him. Wooten had been suspended for five days previously, based largely on complaints that Palin's family had initiated before Palin was governor."
A reporter for the Anchorage daily, Gregg Erickson, even did an online chat with the Washington Post, in which he revealed that Palin's approval rating in the state was not the much-touted 80%, but 65% and sinking -- and that among journalists who followed her it might be in the "teens." He added: "I have a hard time seeing how her qualifications stack up against the duties and responsibilities of being president.... I expect her to stick with simple truths. When asked about continued American troop presence in Iraq, she said she knows only one thing about that (I paraphrase): no one has attacked the American homeland since George Bush took the war to Iraq."
His paper found a number of leading Republican officeholders in the state who mocked Palin's qualifications. "She's not prepared to be governor. How can she be prepared to be vice president or president?" said Lyda Green, a Republican from Palin's hometown of Wasilla. "Look at what she's done to this state. What would she do to the nation?"
Here are excerpts from the editorials in the two leading papers.
From the Daily News-Miner in Fairbanks:
Sen. John McCain's selection of Gov. Sarah Palin as his vice presidential running mate was a stunning decision that should make Alaskans proud, even while we wonder about the actual merits of the choice.... Alaskans and Americans must ask, though, whether she should become vice president and, more importantly, be placed first in line to become president.
In fact, as the governor herself acknowledged in her acceptance speech, she never set out to be involved in public affairs. She has never publicly demonstrated the kind of interest, much less expertise, in federal issues and foreign affairs that should mark a candidate for the second-highest office in the land. Republicans rightfully have criticized the Democratic nominee, Sen. Barack Obama, for his lack of experience, but Palin is a neophyte in comparison; how will Republicans reconcile the criticism of Obama with the obligatory cheering for Palin?
Most people would acknowledge that, regardless of her charm and good intentions, Palin is not ready for the top job. McCain seems to have put his political interests ahead of the nation's when he created the possibility that she might fill it.
And from the Anchorage Daily News:
It's stunning that someone with so little national and international experience might be heartbeat away from the presidency.
Gov. Palin is a classic Alaska story. She is an example of the opportunity our state offers to those with talent, initiative and determination...
McCain picked Palin despite a recent blemish on her ethically pure resume. While she was governor, members of her family and staff tried to get her ex-brother-in-law fired from the Alaska State Troopers. Her public safety commissioner would not do so; she forced him out, supposedly for other reasons. While she runs for vice-president, the Legislature has an investigator on the case.
For all those advantages, Palin joins the ticket with one huge weakness: She's a total beginner on national and international issues.
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decides2dream wrote:bullshit.
an embryo is NOT a thinking, feeling, fully formed human being...not even close. so no...no comparison. you want to call it murder? go ahead. something that was once living ceases to live due to the decision to have an abortion...so feel free to use any 'death' adjective you wish. however, comparing such to a person already existing, just is NOT the same, period.
however...we already have numerous threads for that discussion, so let's stick to sarah palin as the overall topic shall we? her views on being pro-life and teaching creationism, being pro-NRA and pro-drilling in alaska.....not even close to what i want to see in the executive, and for ALL those reasons she would not be my choice for VP. perfect fit for mccain though...so mccain supporters should be very happy with her.
btw - funny, i know MANY happy parents...who yes, ARE still pro-choice. they see it is not a decision for THEM to make FOR OTHERS.
This is a little off topic, but what happens to a downs child after mom and dad die... does the child get stuck is some state home and tax payers foot the bill... don't mean to stir the shit up... I am really just wondering....2000-10-28 San Bernardino
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pateljam wrote:This is a little off topic, but what happens to a downs child after mom and dad die... does the child get stuck is some state home and tax payers foot the bill... don't mean to stir the shit up... I am really just wondering....
The child would collect his/her's parents social security and any other insurance benefits and be taken cared of by next of kin. If there is no next of kin available or willing to take the child, he/she would become a ward of the state and placed in the care of a person who can handle a Down Syndrome child.
Don't worry, Down Syndrome children aren't aliens. :rolleyes:~*~Me and Hippiemom dranketh the red wine in Cleveland 2003~*~
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whitepants wrote:The child would collect his/her's parents social security and any other insurance benefits and be taken cared of by next of kin. If there is no next of kin available or willing to take the child, he/she would become a ward of the state and placed in the care of a person who can handle a Down Syndrome child.
Don't worry, Down Syndrome children aren't aliens. :rolleyes:
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pateljam wrote:This is a little off topic, but what happens to a downs child after mom and dad die... does the child get stuck is some state home and tax payers foot the bill... don't mean to stir the shit up... I am really just wondering....
It is a sad topic, but progress has been made and the life expectancy of someone with downs syndrome is now between 50 and 55 years of age. That is significantly longer than when I was young and knew of downs syndrome kids only living into their 20's. So if the child lives to 55 and the parents had the child in their 20's to 30's, they will likely die around the time their child dies. It used to be that the child's death would almost always precede the parents' death."I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
I've just read the names of her sons and daughters, uahahahahahahwww.amnesty.org
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whitepants wrote:Looks like McCain is going for Hillary's girls! Smart move.
Sarah being a women is irrelevant. No right wing Hillary women to get.
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Gov. Palin will have to spend the next two months convincing Americans that she's ready to be a heartbeat away from the presidency....
I won't be voting McCain/Palin but I couldn't care less about the "unprepared" argument. Nobody will ever be less prepared than our current president. :mad:If I had known then what I know now...
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PEPPER wrote:These "unborn children" are fucking living beings and your presidential candidate is all for killing them because the "parent" does not want them...sadly I once believed like you that abortion was OK and it wasn’t my choice to decide for a person what to do...but after seeing a child develop right in front of me I just cannot justify that reasoning anymore...and hopefully when your chance comes to become a parent you will see this also. Abortion is murder and is no different then someone killing another human being for money.
Ok, so it is republicans fault you raise your baby in a ghetto....shitty public school system you believe is the result of the federal government...then you voluntarily sign up to join the army and get sent to fight a war......I am with you on the vet benefits but the rest of your arguments are pretty off base.
Ghetto living and shitty public schools are a result of your local government not the feds....Bush can't be blamed for those and if you can convince me otherwise have at it
And 90% plus in the Ghetto's/Inner City have voted for Dems (Mayors etc)for years and things have gotten worse. At some point one would think maybe what is going on here is not working. Must be nice to have sheep in the flock that will vote for you no matter how bad things are.0 -
PEPPER wrote:when are we going to impeach Bush...when are we going to end the Iraq war.....all things said they would do the last election, which is why people gave them the power and they did nothing....keep believing the lies…
More than anything else, this is my favorite argument I here from Republican supporters. I believe it goes something like this..."the Democrats are failures because they've done a terrible job of solving all the many things that we screwed up." And somehow they can keep this completely contradictory statement in their head without imploding.0 -
digster wrote:More than anything else, this is my favorite argument I here from Republican supporters. I believe it goes something like this..."the Democrats are failures because they've done a terrible job of solving all the many things that we screwed up." And somehow they can keep this completely contradictory statement in their head without imploding.
Here's the reality...this Republican administration is a failure...the Dem congress is a failure...that's why it's ok to have outsiders on the ballot.hippiemom = goodness0 -
cincybearcat wrote:Here's the reality...this Republican administration is a failure...the Dem congress is a failure...that's why it's ok to have outsiders on the ballot.
Fine by me. I was responding to the other guy. The logic astounds me.
Step 1: Republican administration and Congress fail. Miserably. Screw up practically everything possible, and Democrats don't stop them cause they're gutless.
Step 2: Democratic congress comes in.
Step 3: Republican administration and members of congress criticize Democrats for not fixing things THE SAME REPUBLICANS screwed up.
This will never, ever, ever make any sense whatsoever.
I think it was Lewis Black that described it best for me; "The Democrats are the party of no ideas. The Republicans are the party of bad ideas."0 -
digster wrote:I think it was Lewis Black that described it best for me; "The Democrats are the party of no ideas. The Republicans are the party of bad ideas."
That reminds me of a good G.K. Chesterton quote:
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
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CorporateWhore wrote:That reminds me of a good G.K. Chesterton quote:
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."
Paraphrased:
Republican: "I've got a really shitty idea!"
Democrat: "And I've got a way to make it even shittier!"
And my favorite quote from one of my favorite Americans, Mark Twain,
"Suppose I was an idiot. And suppose I was a member of Congress. But I'm repeating myself."
I have a good feeling about Obama; speaking as someone who has worked in community organizing, a background in community organizing and grassroots politics is exactly the kind of professions that could be valuable preparation to confront the freakshow that is D.C. However, if he is just like all the others I'll be the first to call him on it.0 -
While we're talking about community organizing in the last post, I found this nugget from Senator McCain's interview on Fox News Sunday:
"MCCAIN: Well, by the way, also she was a member of the PTA. I think it's wonderful. But the point is she has been to Kuwait. She has been over there. She has been with her troops, the National Guard that she commands, who had been over there and had the experience. I'm proud of her knowledge of these challenges and issues.
And of course, as governor she has had enormous responsibilities, none of which Senator Obama had. He -- when she was in government, he was a community organizer."
Although this is wrong by the way (Obama was a community organizer before Palin ever entered government. He became State Senator in Illinois and she joined the City Council of her town at the same time), I found it pretty baffling that a presidential candidate belittles a profession such as community organizer. Imagine the patented McCain scoffing grin when saying it and you can get a pretty clear image.
The profession of community organizing is one of the most important jobs in this country. They organize voter registration, mobilize residents to confront and make demands of their elected officials. It is a difficult, grueling job with little dazzle and many setbacks. My best friend currently works as a community organizer, working for ten hours a day sometimes 6 days a week for 20 grand a year. But he is doing great work in the community where he works; they just got the City Council to agree to deliver funds to establish an after-school center so kids in the neighborhood could have an alternative to the street. Countless people in this country have improved lives due to these people. And McCain belittles them? What the fuck is his problem?
I mean, I see it when I watch Sean Hannity, or hear Limbaugh, or O'Reilly. They say Obama was a "community organizer" with a snort, and they are stupid enough to think it is an insult. Fine, they're newscasters; stupidity comes with the profession. But I didn't like finding out that McCain is also stupid enough to think the same thing.
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PEPPER wrote:
O please tell me more. Maybe your friend shoud run for president. I can assure you Obama made well over 20 grand a year. I think your "one of the most important jobs in this country" line is an overstatement. I agree it is important I do not agree it merits a push for president
Palin has used the veto pen, commanded the National Guard, drawn up budgets, in fact, she’s the only one on either ticket that has any kind of executive experience at all.
Being president is not all about putting in long hours at your current job. As for the media snorting at this they are the same media that trivializes that he was a POW in Vieitnam...anything they can do to discredit him for their own political agenda
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You can assure me Obama made more than 20 grand? So, Obama, his bosses, his tax returns, his political campaign and any number of hundreds of editorials and articles written about his time in Chicago as an organizer (not to mention the universally shitty salaries organizers make) states that he made 11,000 a year. Your assurances ring pretty hollow.
It is one of the most important jobs in the country. In this job, you must build diverse coalitions to achieve objectives, must reach across different political spectrums, must confront corruption. Hm, sounds like another job these guys are running for. You don't believe a President would gain worthwhile experience from working in impoverished communities, gaining a grounded understanding of how economic policies and pressures can ravage such communities, building coalitions, etc? I'm not saying that it makes Obama qualified to be President; I believe it's something that does, but I don't expect Obama's detractors to agree. But McCain, the Republican presidential candidate, considers this job as something to be scoffed at. This job, which is geared towards voter registration, community development, and grassroots organizing. I think for a presidential candidate to belittle these goals is idiotic, and just another sign that McCain has little idea of what he's talking about when he speaks about the problems Americans are facing.0 -
Sarah Palin's daughter is pregnant.
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Obama would do both himself, his campaign, and the entire race alot of good to get out in front of this story and say it has no bearings on the issues. The main differentiation between Democrats and Republicans in the past two presidential races is that they have not extensively used Karl Rove-anything goes type tactics. Obama needs to jump on this; it'll put the focus back on the issues, and I think he'd gain alot of respect for doing so.0
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