anti-war protester get in Rice's face

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  • dg1979us
    dg1979us Posts: 568
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Don't get me wrong, I hear you, but you have to ask yourself when did people become "crazy" like this? Why are people going to this extreme?

    It's not normal, but the sentiment is quite widespread...oddly and internationally so.

    Clarifying/disturbing.... either way. It's happening. You can't dismiss it 100%


    But you can get your message across without acting "crazy". I mean the midterm election swinging in the dems favor was not because of people acting like this lady did. It was because of actual debate and commentary with people who could affectively get their message out on as why the repubs are wrong, and the dems are right. (though now the dems seem just as ineffective as the repubs)
  • TrixieCat
    TrixieCat Posts: 5,756
    dg1979us wrote:
    Of course I know why she was there. But I am an anti-war guy, so with regards to me, she is preaching to the choir.

    Do you honestly think she is going to persuade anyone because of her behavior? If someone thinks Rice is a war criminal, they will continue to think that. If someone doesnt she is a war criminal, they are not going to now think she is, because a lady got in her face. I think that this method of protesting is at best a fruitless endeavor, at worse, actually hurts her cause.
    And a thousand people outside the white house makes more sense? They are shining new light on the subject?
    As long as no physical harm is being done, she has the right to protest.
    She is not hurting the cause.
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  • dg1979us
    dg1979us Posts: 568
    TrixieCat wrote:
    And a thousand people outside the white house makes more sense? They are shining new light on the subject?
    As long as no physical harm is being done, she has the right to protest.
    She is not hurting the cause.


    I think thousands of people is symbolic simply because of the #s, and I think that can resonate with people far more than a handful of people who disrupt a hearing, TV show, etc.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    dg1979us wrote:
    But you can get your message across without acting "crazy". I mean the midterm election swinging in the dems favor was not because of people acting like this lady did. It was because of actual debate and commentary with people who could affectively get their message out on as why the repubs are wrong, and the dems are right. (though now the dems seem just as ineffective as the repubs)

    I think people feel there is no public voice anymore in the US, and the signs of desperation and discontent are beginning to show. As crazy as people may think some people are, it's ultimately a societal barometer and a sign that the system is not working properly.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • dg1979us
    dg1979us Posts: 568
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I think people feel there is no public voice anymore in the US, and the signs of desperation and discontent are beginning to show. As crazy as people may think some people are, it's ultimately a societal barometer and a sign that the system is not working properly.

    I understand what you are saying, and dont really disagree. I just disagree on the methods in how to get peoples attention, so the system can ultimately be changed.
  • Delaware Vol
    Delaware Vol Posts: 30
    TrixieCat wrote:
    And a thousand people outside the white house makes more sense? They are shining new light on the subject?
    As long as no physical harm is being done, she has the right to protest.
    She is not hurting the cause.

    Well, it obviously depends on your point of view.... If you favor civil, peaceful protests, than yes the people outside the White House will get the job done.... However, if you're into menacing, stalking or dangerous protests than you're right---she was justified in her actions. In addition, you're right, she has a right to "protest", just not in that matter.... Hopefully, she was arrested and detained..... Could've been potentially very dangerous for Condi, those type of things can't be allowed to happen in this day and age---to dangerous.
  • TrixieCat
    TrixieCat Posts: 5,756
    dg1979us wrote:
    I think thousands of people is symbolic simply because of the #s, and I think that can resonate with people far more than a handful of people who disrupt a hearing, TV show, etc.
    But some people don't know how to assemble, or do not want to.
    Yes, she may be crazy. But people's passions are running high and sometimes they are not as organized with their thought. This was how she wanted to express herself, crazy to you or not. She is doing something. That is what matters to me. I think her heart, though her mind may not be in the right place.
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    And I don't feel right when you're gone away
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I think people feel there is no public voice anymore in the US, and the signs of desperation and discontent are beginning to show. As crazy as people may think some people are, it's ultimately a societal barometer and a sign that the system is not working properly.

    I love how you claim to know so much about americans, being a canadian. have ever even been to america? and I love how you know how we feel? there is plenty of public voice here.

    a societal barometer? nice try. one crazy chick with ketchup on her hands and you think some american "system" isnt working.

    come visit us sometime. but that would require a passport. you know what that is right?
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    dg1979us wrote:
    But you can get your message across without acting "crazy". I mean the midterm election swinging in the dems favor was not because of people acting like this lady did. It was because of actual debate and commentary with people who could affectively get their message out on as why the repubs are wrong, and the dems are right. (though now the dems seem just as ineffective as the repubs)


    i get what you're saying....but i look at these types of protest as more of frustration.....this administration does not listen to it's constituent's....now this woman doing this isn't gonna change their minds, in fact i'm sure they got a big laugh out of it.....but i'm not sure what else we can do?
  • Delaware Vol
    Delaware Vol Posts: 30
    I think she's from Connecticut, not Canada....
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I love how you claim to know so much about americans, being a canadian. have ever even been to america? and I love how you know how we feel? there is plenty of public voice here.

    a societal barometer? nice try. one crazy chick with ketchup on her hands and you think some american "system" isnt working.

    come visit us sometime. but that would require a passport. you know what that is right?


    I've been to every state but a few.

    The system is not well, the level of discontent is high, don't kid yourself the sentiment is global.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Yoyoyo
    Yoyoyo Posts: 310
    dg1979us wrote:
    Of course I know why she was there. But I am an anti-war guy, so with regards to me, she is preaching to the choir.

    Do you honestly think she is going to persuade anyone because of her behavior? If someone thinks Rice is a war criminal, they will continue to think that. If someone doesnt she is a war criminal, they are not going to now think she is, because a lady got in her face. I think that this method of protesting is at best a fruitless endeavor, at worse, actually hurts her cause.

    She's not trying to persuade anyone of anything. She is making a stand and her courage is remarkable.

    Hurts her cause? I doubt that. She is inspiring to a whole new generation of protesters!
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  • Yoyoyo
    Yoyoyo Posts: 310
    Delaware Vol wrote:
    Well, it obviously depends on your point of view.... If you favor civil, peaceful protests, than yes the people outside the White House will get the job done.... However, if you're into menacing, stalking or dangerous protests than you're right---she was justified in her actions. In addition, you're right, she has a right to "protest", just not in that matter.... Hopefully, she was arrested and detained..... Could've been potentially very dangerous for Condi, those type of things can't be allowed to happen in this day and age---to dangerous.

    Depends of your view alright...and your view seems to be that of a freedom hating dictator. Be a corporate/government stooge if you want, I prefer freedom and admire people with the strength to stand up to pigs like rice.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    I would never do that to Condalezza Rice... she looks scary... like Satan's minion scary... put on a hat, and a vest and give her some bat wings and she's working for the Wicked Witch of The West... if you ask me.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Cosmo wrote:
    I would never do that to Condalezza Rice... she looks scary... like Satan's minion scary... put on a hat, and a vest and give her some bat wings and she's working for the Wicked Witch of The West... if you ask me.

    Cheney has her beat as a Sith lord....close call though. Condi takes pretty good care of her body.

    You know Bush and Condi very well could have gotten busy with wanton monkey love on some of those lonely late night meetings.... So many of those meetings...day after day...heated issue after heated passionate issue.... One little flirt becomes undeniable after a few days. It builds and becomes unbearable.

    A little upswing in perfume selection and Bush is struggling with some serious zipper tension.

    Those long sobering weeks away and close proximity on passionate world issues can do things to people...lol

    :D
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,236
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I love how you claim to know so much about americans, being a canadian. have ever even been to america? and I love how you know how we feel? there is plenty of public voice here.

    a societal barometer? nice try. one crazy chick with ketchup on her hands and you think some american "system" isnt working.

    come visit us sometime. but that would require a passport. you know what that is right?

    As an American I get the jist of what Roland was saying. Sometimes it takes being driven to an extreme measure to wake up the complacency that has overtaken this country. I hope to hell it scared the shit out of her and I only hope it scares a few others in this administration as how destructive this administration has been.

    I've participated in over 15 peaceful protest marches here in DC and I many times wonder if we're making a difference. If this method of protesting raises a few eyebrows or causes others to voice their opinions on America's involvement in the Middle East then ALL for for actions like what happened here.

    More Power too ya and Power To The Peaceful

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  • Delaware Vol
    Delaware Vol Posts: 30
    Mestophar wrote:
    Depends of your view alright...and your view seems to be that of a freedom hating dictator. Be a corporate/government stooge if you want, I prefer freedom and admire people with the strength to stand up to pigs like rice.

    See this is exactly where debate and discussion gets buried by pure vitriol... Your response to my post is the written equivalent to that "womans" action towards Secretary Rice... I just believe you lose all credibility when you regress to the point where you're lobbing foundless accusations and nasty characterizations during the course of a "discussion."... I'm not a freedom hating dictator, I just expect adults to conduct themselves in an adult manner---Clearly, I'm going out on a serious limb with those expectations in regards to this woman....
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    TrixieCat wrote:
    No one on this planet pisses me off more than her...not even W.
    I wish that woman had gotten to slap Condi across the face.
    I also would like to know why the cops were using such force with the woman they were dragging out in the hot pink shirt. She was different, yes?
    pigs....

    What if Condi was white, would you hate her as much? I believe her being black leads a lot to her being disliked. Liberals don't like black Republicans.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Delaware Vol wrote:
    See this is exactly where debate and discussion gets buried by pure vitriol... Your response to my post is the written equivalent to that "womans" action towards Secretary Rice... I just believe you lose all credibility when you regress to the point where you're lobbing foundless accusations and nasty characterizations during the course of a "discussion."... I'm not a freedom hating dictator, I just expect adults to conduct themselves in an adult manner---Clearly, I'm going out on a serious limb with those expectations in regards to this woman....
    Two words:

    "war criminals."

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    What if Condi was white, would you hate her as much? I believe her being black leads a lot to her being disliked. Liberals don't like black Republicans.

    Two words:

    "war criminals."

    That is the message.
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